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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2006 14:17:14 GMT -8
Thanks for posting - This is the sort of stuff we need to know!!
I find it more than a little disturbing that BCFS can simply destroy documents and then say "No Comment". Private ownership or not, as far as I know, every company is accountable for its actions and records of operations need to be kept for YEARS in case of audit whether the audit be financial, administrative or operational.
Has the government removed itself so completely, that BCFS can do whatever it wants and not be held accountable? I always hoped that at least Transport Canada would make sure the ships were safe, but if they can destroy relevant documents (they say irrelevant) - while an investigation is pending - how can we be sure?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 14, 2006 14:38:04 GMT -8
This was to be expected if you thought hahn was dumb, now he is a dumb @ss. They are going to be hit hard with this one for destorying records. This is just leading up to something big soon.
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Post by Neil on Dec 14, 2006 14:38:05 GMT -8
The Transportation Safety Board has stated that they have received the information they asked for regarding the 'North sinking. They're not alleging any cover up.
There is no evidence to show that all records were destroyed- that there is not archived versions of the electronic documents and manuals that BC Ferries ordered destroyed.
The story points out that the action by BC Ferries could constitute "sound litigation practise in which material is centralized and controlled for a legal defence".
None of which will stop people from instant reactions. It does, admittedly, look bad. It looks like an organization panicking and destroying all evidence they can. It looks like an organization accountable to no one, which to a large extent, BC Ferries is, in their current incarnation. CanWest can't be trusted to present this story responsibly or in a balanced fashion, but David Hahn owes the public an explanation, and not just a truculent denial.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 14, 2006 14:41:00 GMT -8
Wasn't the reason to privatize to become finacially liable for all aspects but instead now it is backfiring at itself?
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Post by hergfest on Dec 14, 2006 15:44:16 GMT -8
Maybe because the ferry was lost they didn't need the manuals anymore?
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Post by Dane on Dec 14, 2006 17:22:58 GMT -8
I didnt read this post, and I didn't read the article but has anyne put on the legal common sense cap and realized that BCFS is better to centralize information for their defence.
Cascade this concept is actually from British common law, I hope you too would do it in the event of something like this - enses only the info you want comes out which is critical in a situation such as this.
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Post by Curtis on Dec 14, 2006 20:21:18 GMT -8
What's wrong with them are they trying to hide something. Proving that they're being Eeeeediots
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Post by Mike C on Dec 14, 2006 20:36:50 GMT -8
This is it. The last straw. BC Ferries is in a death spiral, with a thundering moron at the helm. Like Dan said, they were doomed from the start, or as of April 2003 anyway. The accidents have been worsening since then, and they're ability to make good descisions more so. Something has to be done, or we'll be back where we started: a Crown Corperation. The good 'ol days where BC Ferries had capital funding and descisions made for 'em. The days of the dogwood. When photos were'nt photoshopped. I can tell you all this: Something much worse is on the way. I can feel it in the air. They are trying to hide something. Big. Like there was a hole there already  Our ferries and our beloved corperation are doomed. |
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Post by Dane on Dec 14, 2006 22:12:31 GMT -8
This is it. The last straw. BC Ferries is in a death spiral, with a thundering moron at the helm. Wow. That's like the language soldiers use before going into war. |
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Post by Scott on Dec 14, 2006 23:28:09 GMT -8
Did someone sprinkle some sea salt on the two mating slugs? Someone should photoshop the logo someday to make it look like two slugs. Yesterday, driving to work, I saw two other logos which were virtually the same. It's way overused.
Back on topic, it looks like the ferries are under some heat for this and for an auditor generals report into BC Ferries saying that although the privatization has been a success, the government is still plowing hundreds of millions of dollars into the system and thee is no accountability to how it is spent. CKNW had three segments on it this afternoon on the World Today with deputy auditor general Errol Price, Kevin Falcon, and Gary Coons.
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Post by oceaneer77 on Dec 15, 2006 13:39:45 GMT -8
The company did retain and forward the documents to the TSB...
I would have had the other documents destroyed as well to keep the armchair sailors out of the way or to keep the press from mis quoting them... the media is not as detail oriented as it should be. Most of the media stories are only surfing for a good headline!
with some of the sopep (Shipboard oil polution emergeny plan) documents could very likley cause misleading headlines if not properly understood..
We all remember the single compartment ship that the media got very wrong...
just imagine the headlines..... A Time bomb Waiting To Happen.... the queen of the north was in such poor shape that she was equiped with oil containment gear..
Dylan H
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 15, 2006 13:44:15 GMT -8
We all remember the single compartment ship that the media got very wrong... As well as a few of their "experts"...  |
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Post by Dane on Dec 15, 2006 15:09:40 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Dec 15, 2006 15:10:31 GMT -8
Maybe because the ferry was lost they didn't need the manuals anymore? I thought hergfest was just being cheeky, but it turns out, he was right on the money- if you believe Deb.... "With no ship, there's no need for ship-specific material.".....and we do believe Deb, don't we? Of course we do. Still doesn't look good, but with some sober reflection we can maybe see there wasn't quite the cause for instant outrage that the Province wanted to incite. |
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Post by Doug on Dec 15, 2006 19:45:04 GMT -8
The company did retain and forward the documents to the TSB... I would have had the other documents destroyed as well to keep the armchair sailors out of the way or to keep the press from mis quoting them... the media is not as detail oriented as it should be. Most of the media stories are only surfing for a good headline! with some of the sopep (Shipboard oil polution emergeny plan) documents could very likley cause misleading headlines if not properly understood.. We all remember the single compartment ship that the media got very wrong... just imagine the headlines..... A Time bomb Waiting To Happen.... the queen of the north was in such poor shape that she was equiped with oil containment gear.. Dylan H Couldn't have said it better myself. "Arm Chair Sailor" is right. |
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Post by oceaneer77 on Dec 17, 2006 16:18:12 GMT -8
As for the why.....
Lets say you are not to happy with things at your company but cannot get the upper management to change thier ways....
so you as a semi highly placed employee (s) just get sloppy and wait or the next election.
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