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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 7, 2007 20:15:14 GMT -8
Kinda makes one wonder if it would have been easier to have kept her fit for service in the first place.
Is the Coast Guard more strict when they have to reissue a COI on a vessel vs. just renewing one? Has this ever happened to WSF before?
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Post by EGfleet on Mar 7, 2007 21:15:37 GMT -8
Kinda makes one wonder if it would have been easier to have kept her fit for service in the first place. Is the Coast Guard more strict when they have to reissue a COI on a vessel vs. just renewing one? Has this ever happened to WSF before? I'm not aware of it happening before, but I could very well be wrong. I think the last time a boat sat out of service for as long as the Nisqually has was probably the Rhody, and she left for a full rehabilitation, and would have had to have been completely reinspected anyway.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 19, 2007 19:40:50 GMT -8
I was wondering if the CG has reissued the COI to WSF for the Nisqually yet. I know rumor is she will be ready around May 1st but since there has not been any recent info about her, I thought I would ask.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 29, 2007 21:05:35 GMT -8
In another post, it was said that one of the reasons the Nisqually was laid up is that it's drive motors suffered from the pulsed electrical power from the new propulsion system.
What, if anything has been done to remedy this situation? The original system was DC. Has it been changed to AC? Just curious to know what can be done to eliminate the problem.
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Post by Brassman on Mar 30, 2007 6:49:23 GMT -8
When re-engined in the '80's, the DC generators were changed to AC altenators. The 3 phase AC waveform is rectified and chopped to control amarture voltage, and thus drivemotor speed.
It is interesting to note that the three Steel-Electrics thus configured are on their second propulsion system since retrofit, while the Klickitat still has her 1927 controls--the venerable Ward-Leonard system, state of the art at the previous turn of the century.
To answer your question: constant tension drive motor brush holders and a very smooth commutator. Some other tweaks might have been done that I am not aware of.
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Post by Brassman on Mar 30, 2007 7:07:33 GMT -8
An OBTW: Today the USCG had been scheduled to crawl the hull of the Nisqually (ie, internal hull inspection), so shortly we may learn if she will sail again, go to the drydocked, or once again go to lay-up.
WSF should of called the Klickitat's CrackMaster, I hear that he would of loved to see the ribs of the old girl-- slag hammer in hand.
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Post by zman on Mar 31, 2007 11:49:33 GMT -8
Here is how she looks now.
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Post by SS Shasta on Mar 31, 2007 17:01:42 GMT -8
Say, the old girl is looking quite good for a senior citizen. Her paint actually looks better than that of MV Hyak, her neighbor at the other landing.
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 1, 2007 16:06:38 GMT -8
The interruption of the "lift mark" on the Nisqually would indicate that this is the port side, making it #1 end in. The interruption is a scar (or absence thereof) from getting clobbered by a freighter in 1963.
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Post by zman on Apr 1, 2007 21:16:37 GMT -8
I wish that I had a little more time to have a closer look...The WENATCHEE was in the way when she was pulling into the dock. When I came back later to look, the NISQUALLY was gone. I have only seen a couple of photos from when she got hit. It is good that WSF was able to get her back together.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Apr 9, 2007 12:05:34 GMT -8
From the US Coast Guard's Port Service Information Exchange: (http://cgmix.uscg.mil/PSIX/VesselSearch.aspx) Service Status: Out of ServiceCase Number:2869662 USCG Zone/Port: Seattle, WA Incident Date: February 9, 2007 Activity Type:Vessel Inspection As of this update, and they update this site weekly I believe, so the last one was Monday, 5 March, , no COI has been issued for the Nisqually. Given that she's been inspected that would lead me to believe there are still some unresolved issues that need to be taken care of. It might be some time yet. I checked the site again this morning and nothing has changed (still no COI).
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Post by SS Shasta on Apr 9, 2007 16:36:34 GMT -8
Was it mentioned on another post that she should be ready for service sometime in May?
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Post by SS Shasta on Apr 11, 2007 15:53:02 GMT -8
From the US Coast Guard's Port Service Information Exchange: (http://cgmix.uscg.mil/PSIX/VesselSearch.aspx) Service Status: Out of ServiceCase Number:2869662 USCG Zone/Port: Seattle, WA Incident Date: February 9, 2007 Activity Type:Vessel Inspection As of this update, and they update this site weekly I believe, so the last one was Monday, 5 March, , no COI has been issued for the Nisqually. Given that she's been inspected that would lead me to believe there are still some unresolved issues that need to be taken care of. It might be some time yet. I checked the site again this morning and nothing has changed (still no COI). Looks like most of the unresolved issues have been resolved as of 29 March 2007. She still needs to conduct fire/abandoned ship drills and test a oxygen/co2 system, but it certainly looks like the old girl will come out of her long retirement soon! It would be great to have her back!!!! ;D
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Post by Jamie on Apr 13, 2007 17:37:21 GMT -8
Hi, I have been involved with the revitalization of the Nisqually since November. Any questions
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Apr 14, 2007 21:35:29 GMT -8
Welcome Jamie. I have a few questions. What does it take to get a vessel that has been idle for years ready for service? I know WSF does do minimum maintenence each year on vessels that do not see regular use, but I am curious to know exactly what had to be done.
The Nisqually should be a welcome addition to a fleet that has been stretched to its' limits this past winter.
Any info would be appreciated.
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 17, 2007 15:49:41 GMT -8
The Nisqually should be a welcome addition to a fleet that has been stretched to its' limits this past winter. I don't know how useful it's going to be, really; the best it can do is provide some relief on smaller runs. It will primarily provide a second reserve boat for Point Defiance-Tahlequah, Port Townsend-Keystone, and the San Juan interisland ferry. Still, that's three places they won't have to commit the Evergreen State to, so you never know... And, of course, if the Elwha isn't ready ( ) for Summer schedule, all bets are off.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Apr 29, 2007 21:53:50 GMT -8
Just curious to ask if the Nisqually will be paired with the Quinault when the Summer Schedule starts, or will they bring down the Illahee from the Islands? Of course this scenerio is dependent on the Nisqually getting her COI back, but there will be at least two weeks of two boat schedule sailings without the Klickitat.
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Post by SS Shasta on May 2, 2007 8:36:15 GMT -8
At last read, I believe the only additional COI work needed on MV Nisqually were some emergency fire, abandon ship, etc. drills for the crew. Looks like she is almost ready!
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 2, 2007 12:27:06 GMT -8
Does anyone know about the incident of the M/V Nisqually hitting the Edmonds dock on July 4 of 1961. I think Capt Martin Orr was the captain during the incident. I have heard a hood of the first car end up on it roof and trailer on one car broke the car's axle. I also heard it took 2 or 3 tugboats to pull the ferry free of the dock.
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Post by FNS on May 2, 2007 12:48:30 GMT -8
Does anyone know about the incident of the M/V Nisqually hitting the Edmonds dock on July 4 of 1961. I think Capt Martin Orr was the captain during the incident. I have heard a hood of the first car end up on it roof and trailer on one car broke the car's axle. I also heard it took 2 or 3 tugboats to pull the ferry free of the dock. I do remember a 1980 incident caused by the NISQUALLY, which turned out to be an historic moment in Puget Sound maritime history, and the OLYMPIC's most embarrassing moment in the act. This happened on a Wednesday in October of 1980. October 8, 1980, to be exact. The NISQUALLY rammed the Mukilteo dock after the morning rush. The damage was enough to close the terminal and send the ferries down to Edmonds. The 14 minute crossing became a 55 minute cruise. Other vessels at Clinton this day were the ILLAHEE and OLYMPIC. The NISQUALLY was not damaged enough to set her telegraphs at Finished With Engines and worked with the ILLAHEE on the Edmonds detour. The afternoon arrived and the OLYMPIC was ready to do her extra trips. She went south to Edmonds empty. When she arrived, she could not fit the dock! She and the RHODODENDRON were fitted with bows that originally had a greater radius than the ones on the Sound. Typical wide radius of those in New York. The ferry docks on the Whidbey runs were compatible to both bow radius-es. The OLYMPIC was helpless that afternoon and went back to Clinton. The next day, a crew was sent to Anacortes to bring down the KLICKITAT, which was unaffected by a printed schedule in the Fall Timetable. This would be quite a reunion of the Steel-Electrics since their arrival from San Francisco Bay. This would probably be the only time you would see up to three SE's on a single run here on Puget Sound. The QUINAULT was preoccupied with a printed schedule at Vashon Island and couldn't join the party. It was back to normal on the Friday. KLICKITAT went back north and the OLYMPIC was back in business handling the Whidbey loads with the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY on the Columbus Day holiday weekend. It would be about 1984 when WSF finally figured out how to fix the bows of the Maryland sisters. Extensions were welded at each end to give their bows a sharper radius. They began to flex their freedom as they could fit all docks now. The OLY served mostly at Point Defiance, but also made appearances on the Fauntleroy, Edmonds, Whidbey, and Anacortes runs. The RHODY served the San Juans in 1984, back at Port Townsend in 1985, out of service in 1986 until the early 1990s. All overall 207-foot (OLYMPIC) and 226-foot (RHODODENDRON) measurements mentioned in books and websites are no longer valid as these vessels are about ten or so feet longer with the extensions. This is also why you see such an overhang over their bows. END OF STORY OF MV NISQUALLY'S OCTOBER 8, 1980, INCIDENT.
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 3, 2007 9:39:46 GMT -8
Thanks for the information about extended bows.
Bill Bailey who worked WSF is the one who gave me the story of the M/V Nisqually hitting the Edmond's dock back on July 4th of 1961. He is now retired from WSF.
He did mentioned that he met Capt. Martin Orr 10 years later , in downtown Seattle, and Captain Orr said "That was the worst day of his life."
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Post by zman on May 9, 2007 13:34:35 GMT -8
The NISQUALLY made an appearance down at Pier 52 today. She looks good. They were even doing a drill with the lifeboat. I will put some pics up tonight.
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Post by Jamie on May 9, 2007 17:00:03 GMT -8
The NISQUALLY made an appearance down at Pier 52 today. She looks good. They were even doing a drill with the lifeboat. I will put some pics up tonight.
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Post by FNS on May 9, 2007 17:12:42 GMT -8
Thanks for the information about extended bows. Bill Bailey who worked WSF is the one who gave me the story of the M/V Nisqually hitting the Edmond's dock back on July 4th of 1961. He is now retired from WSF. He did mentioned that he met Capt. Martin Orr 10 years later , in downtown Seattle, and Captain Orr said "That was the worst day of his life." For Emory, Captain Orr is pictured on page 23 in Demoro's "Evergreen Fleet". Here is a digital photo of this page, showing him at the helm of the TILLIKUM on the Edmonds run:
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Post by SS Shasta on May 9, 2007 18:20:48 GMT -8
Looks like the old gal might be about ready to go back to work. I think I read that safety/emergency drills were the last items needed for her COI. They might like her up at Port Townsend/Keystone because of her higher auto deck clearance. Wonder if she would be No. 1 or No.2 vessel on the route with MV Quinault? The NISQUALLY made an appearance down at Pier 52 today. She looks good. They were even doing a drill with the lifeboat. I will put some pics up tonight.
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