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Post by EGfleet on Dec 26, 2006 15:43:57 GMT -8
I also got it for a Xmas present. Can't take my eyes off it, spectacular book. ;D Thank you all for your kind words. As a heads up-- Check the caption for the "on the cover" on page two I think it is. The first edition says it is the Chippewa, which it clearly isn't--they switched the photo on the cover and didn't tell me, which I think I've stated before. The second edition states correctly that it is the Kitsap on the cover. I'm glad everyone is enjoying it.
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Post by hergfest on Dec 26, 2006 20:15:22 GMT -8
Then I have a rare 1st Edition!
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 27, 2006 8:14:05 GMT -8
Well, an eventually rare one at any rate. ;D Any idea how many copies were run on the second pass?
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 27, 2006 15:50:38 GMT -8
Well, an eventually rare one at any rate. ;D Any idea how many copies were run on the second pass? I believe each run is 2,500 copies, but I'm not sure.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 16, 2007 16:05:55 GMT -8
I received my copy of "Ferries of Puget Sound", today. I'll use this thread to ask you folks my questions, that come from my reading of Mr. Pickens' book: First up: The Rosario (pages 10-11 in the book). Does she resemble the Quillayute? I think she does. Is this just coincidence or my brain, or is there a connection between Rosario and Quillayute? (ie. designer, builder, owner,)? As soon as I saw the pics of Rosario, I though of the Quilly. Did anyone else? Thanks for any feedback/correction/elaboration, as I will likely have 1,000 more questions as I read through this book. (yeah, I'm a WSF newbie)
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 16, 2007 16:48:04 GMT -8
re the Willapa, noted on page-27: The top photo caption says "....the singled-ended configuration kept her on the Seattle-Bremerton route for her entire career." ok, so I'm a "ask why" type of person. So, naturally this photo caption got me curious about why the single-ended configuration would be important to the Seattle-Bremerton route. Why was a single-ender better to be on the S-B route? Or why was a single-ender ill-suited for any other route? thanks again for your elaboration, folks.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 16, 2007 16:59:59 GMT -8
re Kehloken, shown on pages 36-37: again, a "this ship looks like another ship I know..." comment. The Kehloken reminds me of the MV Bainbridge, which later became the Jervis-Queen. The similarity is in the top-photo on Page 36, which shows the ship's end, as well as the style of the wheelhouses at each end. Kehloken: www.evergreenfleet.com/mvkehloken.htmlBainbridge: www.evergreenfleet.com/bainbridge.htmlI think Bainbridge is shorter in length, but similar in style. late edit: oh yeah, when I go back & forth between the 2 links noted above, it's apparant that the Kehloken had 2 funnels, and Bainbridge only had one. So, I suppose my first hunch at a similarity between the 2 is just a general "looks the same" feeling.......sometimes it's hard for me to judge if they look similar just because they are both ferries, or if there are other similarities..... But Bainbridge's superstructure is more like Kehloken's sister Klahanie, with the outside-passenger-deck at each end.
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Post by Mike C on May 16, 2007 19:53:29 GMT -8
As soon as I saw the pics of Rosario, I though of the Quilly. Did anyone else? Well now that you mention it...
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Post by Barnacle on May 16, 2007 21:32:35 GMT -8
The Bainbridge doesn't look near as much like the Kehloken as she does her real sisters, Kitsap and Vashon... ;D Mr. Horn--The single-enders were slightly faster than the double-enders. However, with the turn-around time and backing into a slip, a fair amount of the time advantage was eaten up. Therefore, the longest non-stop run was necessary to use the speed to the schedule's advantage where the run was long enough to overcome the extra maneuvering time. Was that too convoluted? And now I'll have to look up the specs on the Quillayute to see if there was really a relation to the Whidby/Rosario...
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Post by EGfleet on May 17, 2007 5:28:35 GMT -8
I received my copy of "Ferries of Puget Sound", today. I'll use this thread to ask you folks my questions, that come from my reading of Mr. Pickens' book: First up: The Rosario (pages 10-11 in the book). Does she resemble the Quillayute? I think she does. Is this just coincidence or my brain, or is there a connection between Rosario and Quillayute? (ie. designer, builder, owner,)? As soon as I saw the pics of Rosario, I though of the Quilly. Did anyone else? Thanks for any feedback/correction/elaboration, as I will likely have 1,000 more questions as I read through this book. (yeah, I'm a WSF newbie) Two different builders. Remember that the Rosario started life as a much smaller vessel ( Whidby)and was later expanded. (I'll dig up a photo of her in that capacity this afternoon when I get back from Sidney.) A lot of those converted steamers/ ferries looked alike in the mid 1920's...you'll see similarities between the Rosario, Quillayute and Quilcene, for example. That being said, Black Ball did seem to have one floor plan for conversions (though they did not build the Quillayute, it is possible that it was a Black Ball designer)...Check out what they did to the Enetai and Willapa in relation to the the Chippewa and Malahat for example. Same box-like expansion of the passenger cabin, etc.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 17, 2007 6:23:56 GMT -8
Barnacle and EGF: Thanks for your explanations and insights, in response to my questions. Muchly appreciated.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 9, 2007 8:40:26 GMT -8
A Page-62 photo caption notes that there the "Six ferries in the Steel Electric Class were once identical in every way".
Six at one time, and now only Four remaining?
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In the spirit of the BC "Queen of Richmond" legend, I guess that one of the 2 other Steel-E ships was the "Dan".
That would make it the "Steel-E Dan". (if you were alive in the 1970's, that might be familiar to you.... ).
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But seriously, what were the other 2 ships in the class?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 9, 2007 10:03:06 GMT -8
The other two ships were the Enetai and Willapa, they were originally double ended but then modified to be single enders in the 50s.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 9, 2007 11:29:06 GMT -8
The pilothouse and a few other random chunks of the Willapa are now up for grabs on eBay... guess the salvor's wife said 'no.' ;D
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 9, 2007 14:34:52 GMT -8
The other two ships were the Enetai and Willapa, they were originally double ended but then modified to be single enders in the 50s. Close...they were modified to single enders when Black Ball brought them up in 1940-41.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 9, 2007 18:02:19 GMT -8
Another question from an item in the Pickens book: ----------------------
What makes the Steel-E a "Steel"? ie. is it the hull, or is it the steel-superstructure which replaced the wood in the 1980's reconstructions of the 4?
- I guess I'm playing devil's advocate and wondering if the W & E are the 5th & 6th Steel-E Sisters, or if the Steel-E's are a term to only apply to post-1980's steel superstructures?
- Yeah, I'm a WSF newbie, and so I've likely missed lots of technicalities here, so please be gentle in your setting me straight.
- I suppose I'm asserting that the Willapa and Enetai weren't Steel-Electrics, because they never had their superstructures rebuilt with steel.
Please guide me to the garden of understanding........
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 9, 2007 18:24:16 GMT -8
I'm wondering if the Pickens book will end up having a cult-following for certain pages or sections of the book, where people have a strange affection to certain quirks of the book itself.
This would be similar to how some folks have embraced certain scenes of movies such as "Rocky Horror Picture Show", with throwing rice, etc.
For those who are confused as to where this thought is heading, may I present my case for a passionate cult-following for Page-65 of the Pickens book.
- The top photo has the sunlight highlighting the trash-can in the center of the enclosed-deck. As if to point of the specialness of this page. But this is but a minor foreshadowing of the cult-like greatness to grace the bottom half of this sacred page.
The 2 main reasons for the upcoming cult-following of Page-65 are in the bottom item....
#1) The caption contains a rare gaffe, as I don't see too many vessels on the Klickitat's car deck. - Rumor has it that the author's roommate came in one evening, delirious after a sunny afternoon spent outside rhododendron gardening, with the sun's rays and the fertilizer's fumes combining to form a stupor that erased all shards of sane reasonings for the roommate.....and that the book document was left on the computer, and the switch of words from "Vehicle" to "Vessel" happened during that horticulturally-enhanced stupor.
#2) This one's a bit more subtle, until you notice it. It's the person in the passenger-seat of the car in the foreground....
---------------- (those concerned with my own mental health can plan the intervention for next weekend)
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 9, 2007 19:10:31 GMT -8
Another question from an item in the Pickens book: ---------------------- What makes the Steel-E a "Steel"? ie. is it the hull, or is it the steel-superstructure which replaced the wood in the 1980's reconstructions of the 4? - I guess I'm playing devil's advocate and wondering if the W & E are the 5th & 6th Steel-E Sisters, or if the Steel-E's are a term to only apply to post-1980's steel superstructures? - Yeah, I'm a WSF newbie, and so I've likely missed lots of technicalities here, so please be gentle in your setting me straight. - I suppose I'm asserting that the Willapa and Enetai weren't Steel-Electrics, because they never had their superstructures rebuilt with steel. It would be the hull where the "steel" part came from. The 1'st group of boats (Klahanie, Chetzemoka, Kehloken, and Elwha (not the current one)) that were brought up from San Francisco had wood hulls were referred to as "wood-electrics". The "electric" part comes from the fact the ferries were diesel-electrics. When the Willapa and Enetai were converted to single-enders, the diesel-electric propulsion was replaced with direct-drive diesels (and thus were no longer "steel-electrics").
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Post by BreannaF on Jun 9, 2007 19:14:10 GMT -8
The other two ships were the Enetai and Willapa, they were originally double ended but then modified to be single enders in the 50s. There;s a picture postcard of the Willapa listed currently on eBay at this link: tinyurl.com/3dpg6jAt least you can kind of see what it looked like. Edited to replace long broken-up link with a shorter one
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 9, 2007 19:50:57 GMT -8
The other two ships were the Enetai and Willapa, they were originally double ended but then modified to be single enders in the 50s. There;s a picture postcard of the Willapa listed currently on eBay at this link: tinyurl.com/3dpg6jAt least you can kind of see what it looked like. Edited to replace long broken-up link with a shorter oneAnd that is still post-conversion. You'll note the aft wheelhouse is missing...
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Post by Mike C on Jun 10, 2007 10:22:01 GMT -8
#1) The caption contains a rare gaffe, as I don't see too many vessels on the Klickitat's car deck. - Rumor has it that the author's roommate came in one evening, delirious after a sunny afternoon spent outside rhododendron gardening, with the sun's rays and the fertilizer's fumes combining to form a stupor that erased all shards of sane reasonings for the roommate.....and that the book document was left on the computer, and the switch of words from "Vehicle" to "Vessel" happened during that horticulturally-enhanced stupor. Those vessels must like the Olympic Peninsula. #2) This one's a bit more subtle, until you notice it. It's the person in the passenger-seat of the car in the foreground.... That... oh, I see those on the Queen of Cowichan all the time. I'm more concerned about the antenna on the truck to the right of the same picture. Looks like someone grabbed it and pulled it back as far as it could go. (perhaps that "someone" was a certain delirious roommate after a bit too much rhododendron gardening)
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Post by Neil on Dec 15, 2007 16:00:25 GMT -8
Evergreenfleet:
Forgive me if this is a inappropriate question, and if it is I'll certainly understand if you don't feel inclined to answer....
I just have no idea as to the level of public interest in books on ferries, so I was curious about how well your book has sold. I hope it did well for you.
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 15, 2007 16:20:45 GMT -8
Evergreenfleet: Forgive me if this is a inappropriate question, and if it is I'll certainly understand if you don't feel inclined to answer.... I just have no idea as to the level of public interest in books on ferries, so I was curious about how well your book has sold. I hope it did well for you. No, don't mind at all. It is in the second printing, last I heard, but it might be into a third. I am gathering that is somewhat unusual...when I talked to the author of a book on Everett, hers had been out for over a year and still hadn't hit a second print. I don't have the exact figures of what it has sold, and it isn't something that is going to end up on the NY Times best seller list, but for a pretty specific subject with localized interest it seems to be doing well. Every time there is a spate of stories in the paper about the boats sales tend to pick up too...As do hits on the website. I went from an average of about 400 hits a day to over 1500 when the announcement was made on the Steel Electrics. When the Times article appeared last spring though, the all time high was something like 38,000 hits in one day.
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 16, 2007 4:39:04 GMT -8
Evergreenfleet--
I seem to recall we'd figured as of the end of June it had sold around, what, 3800 copies or so?
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 16, 2007 8:57:26 GMT -8
Evergreenfleet-- I seem to recall we'd figured as of the end of June it had sold around, what, 3800 copies or so? That sounds about right. Like I say though, sales tend to spike whenever there are more articles about the ferries in the paper...
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