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Post by lmtengs on Jul 4, 2009 15:04:28 GMT -8
I've noticed on BCF's wikipedia page, and on the pages for their ships, that the pages are way out of date. We need some dedicated wikipedians to help maintain BCF's Wikipedia page
Also, many ferries don't even have pages. If you have time, please create a page for each and every ferry. It would be nice if more of the Abandoned ferries had pages too. Note that if you make a page for a ferry, you should link it to BCF's wiiki.
We should make a wikipedia page for this forum too!
If you have time, please help out this cause! (I have already made pages for more than one vessel)
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 4, 2009 18:55:37 GMT -8
If I have time tonight I might start one for the Queen of Chilliwack.
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Post by Mac Write on Jul 4, 2009 19:18:09 GMT -8
Why not create our own Wikipedia for BCF (one reason I want to start up Ferries of BC)
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 5, 2009 15:06:28 GMT -8
Well then, Trev, why not ask Smarky if you can add a wiki to his network?
And I have the Wikipedia article for BC Ferries on my watchlist. I have an interest in editing that article, among others.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 5, 2009 16:32:46 GMT -8
I applaud you all for going on with my initiatives.
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Post by Balfour on Jul 5, 2009 20:34:04 GMT -8
This sounds like a good idea and I think it would be worthwhile if this was something maintained by members of this forum. The majority of BC Ferry knowlege is found here on this very forum.
I will stress that we do not need to set up another Ferries website just for this.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 5, 2009 21:10:57 GMT -8
I will stress that we do not need to set up another Ferries website just for this. It's quite hard to find some information here though, as there is sooo much, so it would be nice to contain it all in a nice, organized wiki.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 5, 2009 21:14:05 GMT -8
oops! please don't bother voting on the pole above, as it was improperly made i'd appreciate if a moderator deleted the poll part of this, so i can create a new one that is done right
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Post by Balfour on Jul 5, 2009 21:19:38 GMT -8
I will stress that we do not need to set up another Ferries website just for this. It's quite hard to find some information here though, as there is sooo much, so it would be nice to contain it all in a nice, organized wiki. Yes we should do a Wiki, it would be nice to have it modelled much like what the Canadian Public Tranportation Discussion BoardHowever there already is a very good source of information on John H's website West Coast Ferries.ca, which is this forum's "parent website." Although I know that is a bit outdated but that's because I know John hasn't had time to update the site lately.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 5, 2009 22:11:30 GMT -8
oops! please don't bother voting on the pole above, as it was improperly made i'd appreciate if a moderator deleted the poll part of this, so i can create a new one that is done right The problem with polls on proboads is that no one, creator or moderator, can change the questions after-the-fact. That lack of flexibility makes the monthly flagship polls frustrating to set-up sometimes.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 5, 2009 22:20:25 GMT -8
It's quite hard to find some information here though, as there is sooo much, so it would be nice to contain it all in a nice, organized wiki. Yes we should do a Wiki, it would be nice to have it modelled much like what the Canadian Public Tranportation Discussion BoardHowever there already is a very good source of information on John H's website West Coast Ferries.ca, which is this forum's "parent website." Although I know that is a bit outdated but that's because I know John hasn't had time to update the site lately. That's why wikis are nice: anyone can update it. But that also brings in the prospect: what if someone says something inaccurate?
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Post by DENelson83 on Jul 6, 2009 22:51:21 GMT -8
Simple: With lots of people watching the BC Ferries page, vandalism can be very quickly reverted.
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Post by hullnumbers on Jul 14, 2009 19:51:54 GMT -8
OOOPP, Sorry John H,
I found the proper page so i am rewritting what i asked.
Mind if i connect your retired vessels to the BC Ferries wikipedia retired page. i am trying to make wikipedia have more information. Do you have a wikipedia log.
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Post by Scott on Jul 14, 2009 20:59:31 GMT -8
Feel free to use any information or photos on my "retired page" on Wikipedia. Unfortunately it's hosted on Geocities and soon that free hosting service will be cancelled and it will disappear.
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Post by hullnumbers on Jul 15, 2009 10:04:35 GMT -8
Does that mean i can copy all the info and pictures and put it on wikipedia too.
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Post by Scott on Jul 15, 2009 17:48:03 GMT -8
Yeah, just put a link back to our forum:)
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 15, 2009 18:02:41 GMT -8
A heads up anything posted on this forum or on John H's website that ins't properly backed up by a credited source and referenced cannot be used as a source of information on Wikipedia. The boys over there are giving me a hard time with my references.
Cheers,
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Post by hullnumbers on Jul 16, 2009 9:32:54 GMT -8
Thanks for the info But what do you mean about that, does that mean i have to write it out differently instead of copying
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 16, 2009 10:24:51 GMT -8
No, just copy and paste it on to the wikipedia page and change a few words ('build' to 'construct', 'bridge' to 'wheelhouse', 'and' to 'as well as', that kind of thing)
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 16, 2009 12:33:16 GMT -8
I mean that this forum is full of speculation, rumors, assumptions and unpublished information. Just like in school when you do your research project you need reliable sources like scientific journals, documents, and records. The guys on Wikipedia have no idea if the information on the forum or John's website is real or speculation.
I know John has done his research and he probably found reliable sources for his information, but he has not cited those references, therefore his website has no ground to stand on. Wikipedia is trying very hard to make sure that all of their articles are 100% correct and referenced.
So, it is best to go straight to the source ie. BCF press releases, reports, and other technical documents for your information if you want to publish it on Wikipedia.
Hopefully john understands and is not offended by my comments.
Lmtengs, what you propose is called plagiarism, this will get you kicked out of University, why should it be any different in this situation. It would be better if you were to quote it than just change some words around.
Cheers,
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 16, 2009 13:17:37 GMT -8
No, just copy and paste it on to the wikipedia page and change a few words ('build' to 'construct', 'bridge' to 'wheelhouse', 'and' to 'as well as', that kind of thing) ....Just when I thought you were going to get through 1 day without posting something crazy or unethical, this happens. Well, you are giving us insight. Better luck tomorrow. ;D
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Post by Mill Bay on Jul 16, 2009 13:40:03 GMT -8
No, just copy and paste it on to the wikipedia page and change a few words ('build' to 'construct', 'bridge' to 'wheelhouse', 'and' to 'as well as', that kind of thing) ....Just when I thought you were going to get through 1 day without posting something crazy or unethical, this happens. Well, you are giving us insight. Better luck tomorrow. ;D Good thing some educational institutions are desperate to get students these days and lowering entrance requirements. That kind of creativity might just fly where traditional scholarly codes of ethics are not adhered to, and wikipedia is a good example of one of those places where anything goes... So, to restart this discussion: why bother? What reasonable practical purpose could a wikipedia page really serve for the discussions we have here? By whose standards are we even convincing ourselves that there is a need for it? Don't we all spend enough time staring at computer screens as it is? Go outside... play a game of soccer (it's summer) take a bike ride, build a fence in your backyard or even ride a ferry, but don't think that life will change, or end, for anyone whether or not this forum gets a wikipedia page.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 14:00:38 GMT -8
That kind of creativity might just fly where traditional scholarly codes of ethics are not adhered to, and wikipedia is a good example of one of those places where anything goes... Did you not read Cadmunkey's posts? "A heads up anything posted on this forum or on John H's website that ins't properly backed up by a credited source and referenced cannot be used as a source of information on Wikipedia. The boys over there are giving me a hard time with my references." ... "Wikipedia is trying very hard to make sure that all of their articles are 100% correct and referenced." I didn't think the idea had anything to do with the discussions here... it's to serve as a general reference for ANYONE seeking information. That's kind of the point of any "*pedia" source.
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 16, 2009 14:29:31 GMT -8
Thank you Soundy. I was think both those points through in my head just a few minutes ago.
Cheers,
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Post by Scott on Jul 16, 2009 16:23:30 GMT -8
A lot of the information on my website (especially my old one) is not specifically referenced. On some pages I do have a list of sources. That should help you narrow down your search for specific information. However, I have specifically cited quite a lot of information as well, so there shouldn't be a problem referencing that.
Just rephrase the information as you would say it. However, if you want to use exact quotes, then quote it and reference it to a certain page number or website. Don't do the "cut and paste" method that's been mentioned here - you should aspire to better quality than a grade 7 "100 word paragraph".
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