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Post by lmtengs on May 17, 2010 18:20:40 GMT -8
Thank you, Wett Coast, I have changed the article accordingly I'm announcing a new experimental feature that I am currently testing on one page of Ferries Wiki. I call it Live Ferry Tracking, and currently I have it in use only on the wiki page for Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal. SiiTech now lets you embed a map-view of their site onto a webpage, so I decided to take advantage of that and try it out on the site. It would be cool if we could do the same with this site! Scroll down to the bottom the wiki page (linked above) to see the feature. I'd appreciate some constructive criticism on improving the wiki and it's various features. Thanks! EDIT: I also decided to implement the service on the Queen of Burnaby's page. It's much different then that of the Tsawwassen Terminal map because this one is always centered on the Queen of Burnaby, so the map view basically moves with the ship. I encourage everyone to check them both out.
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Post by lmtengs on May 22, 2010 11:25:28 GMT -8
Any further discussion about Ferries Wiki should be directed to this threadBC Ferries Wikipedia discussions can continue here
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Post by hullnumbers on Jun 13, 2010 19:28:48 GMT -8
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Post by Balfour on Jun 13, 2010 21:29:56 GMT -8
I had a look at the Wikipedia articles on BCF. Awesome work guys!
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 13, 2010 21:45:09 GMT -8
I'm gonna be a moderator here for a second and just remind everyone that I made a thread in the forward lounge for Ferries Wiki. ferriesbc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nonBCF&action=display&thread=7535Discussion regarding wikiPEDIA can stay here, but Ferries Wiki, since it's dedicated to all ferries everywhere, limited only by the borders of the planet Earth, should be moved to the Forward Lounge.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 14, 2010 14:09:49 GMT -8
Forgot one. Bainbridge. She was originally a Blackball ferry sailing the Howe Sound route, before being brought into BC Ferries. She was retired and sat as a derilict for years near River Road in Delta. The Queen of the North is incorrectly listed as "retired". The Pacificats were not technically "retired" as one was never used, a second was for a short time and the third was for the longer time but was plagued with mechanical and performance problems. An excellent start. otherwise. I'll fix that for Hullnumbers right now. Thanks P-K
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Post by Mirrlees on Jun 14, 2010 14:36:36 GMT -8
Queen of Vancouver was retired in April 2009.
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 14, 2010 15:08:00 GMT -8
I guess nobody's going to change to the other thread, so I'll just keep on posting updates here... I made a few page updates in the last 24 hours, as well as a bit of rearranging on the home page. I just finished the article on the Dogwood Princess Iferries.wikispaces.com/Dogwood+PrincessLast night I did the Cy Peck: ferries.wikispaces.com/Cy+PeckI also made a redirect for the SS Daily. When you click on her page, the Cy Peck page opens instead. When you search Island Princess, there's a double redirect. You have the option of going to the SS Island Princess, which eventually became the Cy Peck, or to the Island Princess that eventually became the North Island Princess.
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 3, 2012 16:18:07 GMT -8
To anyone who's been editing the BCF Wikipedia articles, there are a couple of obvious errors I've found... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_class_ferry-The Garibaldi II is not even noted, and the article states only three ferries were built in the N-class. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_class_ferry-The Quadra Queen II has been left out of here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unclassed_ships_of_BC_Ferries-There are a couple classed ships mentioned here, including the Quadra Queen II, Nimpkish, Nicola, and (potentially arguably) the Queen of New Westminster. I would edit these myself, but I've given up editing in Wikipedia after a number of my edits were reverted due to unknown reasons. So, any Wikipedia editors out there, do your thing... Also, just a reminder, please be 100% sure you know what you're saying when you're editing the articles, and use proper grammar. I've read a few errors in there, and some writing skills that could be matched by a fifth grader.
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 6, 2013 13:07:51 GMT -8
I also have a user account on Wikipedia (Compdude123) and have made quite a few edits regarding aviation, and more recently, ferries. I've noticed that Wikipedia has had some glaring errors about BC Ferries. I've fixed some errors, in particular, correcting the year the Nicola was built to 1960 (Wikipedia erroneously said 1961). I've also noticed some other errors: - Wikipedia has an article titled "T-class ferry" in which it states that the Tenaka and Tachek are members of. I know that's not true, as Tachek's sister ship is actually Quadra Queen Ii, meaning the Tenaka is unclassed. (right?) So is there an actual "T-Class" that includes the Tachek and QQII?
- There's also an article about the "Q-Class" which includes the Quinitsa and Quinsam. I've noticed, though, that those ferries are not sisters, and they don't even have the same dimensions. They only look similar. Does that mean that the Q-Class does not exist and that article should be deleted?
- The Cappy and Cumberland are definitely sister ships, but can the Island Sky also be considered to be in the same class as those two? Wikipedia says they are all in the "Intermediate Class," but the Island Sky looks so much different from the Capilano and Cumberland, so I am a bit skeptical about that.
- Can the Kuper be considered a member of the K-Class even though it looks a lot different from the other K-Class ferries?
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Post by SolDuc on Apr 6, 2013 13:22:42 GMT -8
I also have a user account on Wikipedia (Compdude123) and have made quite a few edits regarding aviation, and more recently, ferries. I've noticed that Wikipedia has had some glaring errors about BC Ferries. I've fixed some errors, in particular, correcting the year the Nicola was built to 1960 (Wikipedia erroneously said 1961). I've also noticed some other errors: - Wikipedia has an article titled "T-class ferry" in which it states that the Tenaka and Tachek are members of. I know that's not true, as Tachek's sister ship is actually Quadra Queen Ii, meaning the Tenaka is unclassed. (right?) So is there an actual "T-Class" that includes the Tachek and QQII?
- There's also an article about the "Q-Class" which includes the Quinitsa and Quinsam. I've noticed, though, that those ferries are not sisters, and they don't even have the same dimensions. They only look similar. Does that mean that the Q-Class does not exist and that article should be deleted?
- The Cappy and Cumberland are definitely sister ships, but can the Island Sky also be considered to be in the same class as those two? Wikipedia says they are all in the "Intermediate Class," but the Island Sky looks so much different from the Capilano and Cumberland, so I am a bit skeptical about that.
- Can the Kuper be considered a member of the K-Class even though it looks a lot different from the other K-Class ferries?
westcoastferries.ca (listed in the header) has most of the info you're looking for. The Qclass definitely exists, the Quinitsa is just a streched Quinitsa, and nothing else is very different from that. The K-class has tons of different vessels (Kuper...), yet it is still a single class.
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Post by Mike C on Apr 6, 2013 13:28:53 GMT -8
I also have a user account on Wikipedia (Compdude123) and have made quite a few edits regarding aviation, and more recently, ferries. I've noticed that Wikipedia has had some glaring errors about BC Ferries. I've fixed some errors, in particular, correcting the year the Nicola was built to 1960 (Wikipedia erroneously said 1961). I've also noticed some other errors: - Wikipedia has an article titled "T-class ferry" in which it states that the Tenaka and Tachek are members of. I know that's not true, as Tachek's sister ship is actually Quadra Queen Ii, meaning the Tenaka is unclassed. (right?) So is there an actual "T-Class" that includes the Tachek and QQII?
- There's also an article about the "Q-Class" which includes the Quinitsa and Quinsam. I've noticed, though, that those ferries are not sisters, and they don't even have the same dimensions. They only look similar. Does that mean that the Q-Class does not exist and that article should be deleted?
- The Cappy and Cumberland are definitely sister ships, but can the Island Sky also be considered to be in the same class as those two? Wikipedia says they are all in the "Intermediate Class," but the Island Sky looks so much different from the Capilano and Cumberland, so I am a bit skeptical about that.
- Can the Kuper be considered a member of the K-Class even though it looks a lot different from the other K-Class ferries?
There have been countless threads and discussions on the Wikipedia coverage of BC Ferries. All have resulted in little success in posting correct information. And given the fact that you are asking all of these questions, it doesn't sound like you yourself should be editing it either. Not to be cynical, but this is a waste of time. I would strongly suggest you stop here, and poke through the countless posts about the BCFS Wikipedia page and the edits some members have made.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Apr 6, 2013 14:00:58 GMT -8
You're wasting your time by updating anything BC Ferries related on Wikipedia...
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 6, 2013 14:04:01 GMT -8
I also have a user account on Wikipedia (Compdude123) and have made quite a few edits regarding aviation, and more recently, ferries. I've noticed that Wikipedia has had some glaring errors about BC Ferries. I've fixed some errors, in particular, correcting the year the Nicola was built to 1960 (Wikipedia erroneously said 1961). I've also noticed some other errors: - Wikipedia has an article titled "T-class ferry" in which it states that the Tenaka and Tachek are members of. I know that's not true, as Tachek's sister ship is actually Quadra Queen Ii, meaning the Tenaka is unclassed. (right?) So is there an actual "T-Class" that includes the Tachek and QQII?
- There's also an article about the "Q-Class" which includes the Quinitsa and Quinsam. I've noticed, though, that those ferries are not sisters, and they don't even have the same dimensions. They only look similar. Does that mean that the Q-Class does not exist and that article should be deleted?
- The Cappy and Cumberland are definitely sister ships, but can the Island Sky also be considered to be in the same class as those two? Wikipedia says they are all in the "Intermediate Class," but the Island Sky looks so much different from the Capilano and Cumberland, so I am a bit skeptical about that.
- Can the Kuper be considered a member of the K-Class even though it looks a lot different from the other K-Class ferries?
There have been countless threads and discussions on the Wikipedia coverage of BC Ferries. All have resulted in little success in posting correct information. And given the fact that you are asking all of these questions, it doesn't sound like you yourself should be editing it either. Not to be cynical, but this is a waste of time. I would strongly suggest you stop here, and poke through the countless posts about the BCFS Wikipedia page and the edits some members have made. Waste of time? Really?! I'll look through some other threads on this matter, though.
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 6, 2013 15:13:42 GMT -8
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Post by Mike C on Apr 6, 2013 15:31:46 GMT -8
I will merge this thread into that one. But refer to the poll in that thread to get a gauge of the level of interest in maintaining the Wikipedia page... Here's the reality: there are a small group of individuals out there who are firmly confident in their knowledge of BC Ferries, and regularly check the Wikipedia page to see if anyone has altered their information. If any person so much as dared modify the content in their fiefdom, the edits are immediately removed and information is changed back.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 6, 2013 15:37:37 GMT -8
You're wasting your time by updating anything BC Ferries related on Wikipedia... Changing anything on Wikipedia is wasting your time... I actually never trust Wikipedia.
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 6, 2013 16:16:42 GMT -8
You're wasting your time by updating anything BC Ferries related on Wikipedia... Changing anything on Wikipedia is wasting your time... I actually never trust Wikipedia. In some topics, it's more accurate than others. Now that I've seen how wrong it is in regards to BC Ferries, I'm not trusting it anymore for anything related to ferries. But correcting Wikipedia is not a waste of time.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 6, 2013 16:29:02 GMT -8
Changing anything on Wikipedia is wasting your time... I actually never trust Wikipedia. In some topics, it's more accurate than others. Now that I've seen how wrong it is in regards to BC Ferries, I'm not trusting it anymore for anything related to ferries. But correcting Wikipedia is not a waste of time. Depends on the topic you are correcting it is not a waste of time. I am not allowed to use Wkipedia in school.
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 6, 2013 16:46:23 GMT -8
In some topics, it's more accurate than others. Now that I've seen how wrong it is in regards to BC Ferries, I'm not trusting it anymore for anything related to ferries. But correcting Wikipedia is not a waste of time. Depends on the topic you are correcting it is not a waste of time. I am not allowed to use Wkipedia in school. Me neither. Most schools don't allow it to be used as a source. But still, it is used by many people just to find out more about a topic they're curious about. Go Google something, and you'll probably notice the Wikipedia page for that thing is one of the first few pages listed in the search results. That's why making sure Wikipedia's info is accurate is not a waste of time. Oh yeah, on this very forum, when people are explaining what something is, they often provide a link to the Wikipedia article for that.
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Post by Nick on Apr 6, 2013 18:48:15 GMT -8
Depends on the topic you are correcting it is not a waste of time. I am not allowed to use Wkipedia in school. Me neither. Most schools don't allow it to be used as a source. But still, it is used by many people just to find out more about a topic they're curious about. Go Google something, and you'll probably notice the Wikipedia page for that thing is one of the first few pages listed in the search results. That's why making sure Wikipedia's info is accurate is not a waste of time. Oh yeah, on this very forum, when people are explaining what something is, they often provide a link to the Wikipedia article for that. MP and others aren't saying that editing Wikipedia is a waste of time in general... just that it's a waste of time for BC Ferries related articles, for the reasons mentioned above. Namely, that there are certain individuals out there that make it their business to edit the articles to suit their idea of the truth. Your questions about the T and K class highlight just one of these cases.
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Post by Ferryman on Apr 6, 2013 19:51:56 GMT -8
The reality with alot of those so called "classes" become too complex. BC Ferries in fact doesn't categorize most of those vessels together as part of a class, but instead puts all of the odd ball ships in the generic "Unique" category. The only real classes of Ferries they actually consider a class of vessel are the Spirits, Coastals, C-Class, Burnaby Class (They actually call it Nanaimo Class), Powell River Class, Capilano Class, Tachek Class, Quinitsa Class, and K-Class (minus the Kuper). Everything that isn't in those categories, becomes Unique. These vessels are: Kuper, Howe Sound Queen, Island Sky, Nimpkish, North Island Princess, Northern Adventure, Northern Expedition, Queen of Chilliwack, Queen of New Westminster, Skeena Queen, and Tenaka. Queen of Alberni is also in some cases not considered part of the C-Class category, but we all know that it actually is meant to be part of that category, similar to the case with the Kuper in some ways.
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Post by compdude787 on Apr 6, 2013 20:34:46 GMT -8
The reality with alot of those so called "classes" become too complex. BC Ferries in fact doesn't categorize most of those vessels together as part of a class, but instead puts all of the odd ball ships in the generic "Unique" category. The only real classes of Ferries they actually consider a class of vessel are the Spirits, Coastals, C-Class, Burnaby Class (They actually call it Nanaimo Class), Powell River Class, Capilano Class, Tachek Class, Quinitsa Class, and K-Class (minus the Kuper). Everything that isn't in those categories, becomes Unique. These vessels are: Kuper, Howe Sound Queen, Island Sky, Nimpkish, North Island Princess, Northern Adventure, Northern Adventure, Queen of Chilliwack, Queen of New Westminster, Skeena Queen, and Tenaka. Queen of Alberni is also in some cases not considered part of the C-Class category, but we all know that it actually is meant to be part of that category, similar to the case with the Kuper in some ways. I agree with the complexity of the "classes." There is no way to know that the classes actually exist. Unlike on WSF's website, BCFerries' fleet page doesn't even group the ferries by class. So there's no way of knowing what is in what class and what the classes are even called. The classifications of WSF's vessels are as clear as day, and WSF's fleet is SO much simpler. WSF even puts the Hiyu in its own class, the " Hiyu class." Likewise with the Rhody. BCFerries doesn't do that. So would it be better to just get rid of the articles about the classes for the smaller ferries so that people can't just make up names of the classes? For example, the way AMHS articles are treated on Wikipedia is that there are no articles about certain classes of ferries, despite there being obvious classes of ferries. Perhaps it would be better to do this on Wikipedia.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 6, 2013 20:46:28 GMT -8
Northern Adventure, Northern Adventure I thought their was only one Norther Adventure operating for BC Ferries.
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Post by Mayne on Apr 6, 2013 20:53:34 GMT -8
Northern Adventure, Northern Adventure I thought their was only one Norther Adventure operating for BC Ferries. My guess based on the NorEx was not listed is that its a typo
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