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Post by Barnacle on Oct 23, 2011 8:47:44 GMT -8
Sorry, gang. The original slide is not in my possession (it was a discovery during a comprehensive scan of the family slides) and it would appear that this is the maximum size available.
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 23, 2011 8:59:20 GMT -8
Sorry, gang. The original slide is not in my possession (it was a discovery during a comprehensive scan of the family slides) and it would appear that this is the maximum size available. Here's the best I could do by doing a print and then scanning said print... tinyurl.com/3tf78uj
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Post by Neil on Oct 23, 2011 10:09:46 GMT -8
We do know that the Bowen Queen served on the Fulford Harbour run for many years. But at what time did she start at Fulford? Somewhere between the summer of '73 and the summer of '74, according to the schedule.
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Post by mrdot on Oct 23, 2011 12:55:06 GMT -8
:)well this is the colour of swartz bay that I can relate to, and was my working years! hard to desern between my old Mayne Queen and the Bowen Q. could be either. :)mrdot.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 24, 2011 21:17:57 GMT -8
After much study I am now virtually certain that it is the Bowen Queen in Barnacle's picture. There is one clue that leads me to this conclusion.
Do we have any thread for differentiating between Powell River class vessels?
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 24, 2011 21:25:20 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 24, 2011 22:04:13 GMT -8
I would expect some discussion from others, but if there is nothing else then this thread will do just fine. Renaming the thread may be an idea.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 24, 2011 22:46:44 GMT -8
I would expect some discussion from others, but if there is nothing else then this thread will do just fine. Renaming the thread may be an idea. Personally, I think it would be great if it were consolidated in with the How to ID the ship classes thread that I linked to above. (The post that flug made was probably being written while I posted mine, so he wouldn't have seen the link?)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 25, 2011 7:39:00 GMT -8
Thanks Luke, for spotting this existing thread. - I've merged in the BQ/MQ posts into this thread.
So the question remains: - What is Wett Coast's persuasive clue that the ship is the Bowen Queen?
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 25, 2011 21:13:05 GMT -8
Here is the appearance of the Powell River Queen in 2007. I believe that it remains the same today in 2011. Here is an MS Horne photo (hosted on RR Horne's Flickr site) of the PRQ as she appeared in the begining. The 'aft end' of the Bowen Queen as she appeared before stretching in the early 1970's. The 'forward end' of the Bowen Queen as she appears c2010. The Mayne Queen - 1976 (RR Horne) Note that the area where the side ramp was is quite visible in this photo (directly under the letters MQ in the left hand text box. Pictures fore & aft of the Mayne Queen as she looks today (c2010). Why is this the Bowen Queen? Obviously this is not the PRQ because by 1976 it had been altered radically and was no longer similar to its 'sisters'. The picture is small & fuzzy and difficult to say with 100% confidence that it is not the Mayne Queen, but... If this is the Mayne Queen there would be an 'opening' for passing mooring ropes through in the spot indicated in the photo. There does not appear to be one so... this must be the BQ.
To anyone reading this piece, please feel free to add other means by which these vessels can be differentiated, or to explain why I am wrong. Also, what is the proper name for those mooring rope openings? Lastly, I am calling the 'bow' the end of each vessel that is fitted with the ship's bell. There is also more portholes (four) on the forward facing deck just below the wheelhouse; two portholes on the 'aft' end. I assume that what I am calling the bow would also be called the #1 end. All photos by JST/WCK, except as noted.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 25, 2011 21:59:34 GMT -8
To add to the matter, the Queen of the Islands has also served time between Swartz Bay and Fulford. I've talked to a couple of people who worked on her when she would fill in there.
Also, good eyes, Jim. I didn't wasn't aware of so many little differences like that with the PRQ class, other than the obvious difference of the PRQ herself
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Post by mrdot on Oct 26, 2011 9:49:47 GMT -8
:)yes, the Queen of the Islands was doing the Fulford suffle and would dock next to our Queen of Sidney when I was working that route in the late sixties, we would be singleing up to cast off on our first morning trip and she would pull in next to us, she could not have been an economic vessel for this short run, but the islanders sure liked her spacious lounge for this short run! sure can't afford those inefficiences in our new and improved sudo pvte. corp.! :)mrdot.
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Post by mrdot on Oct 26, 2011 10:17:31 GMT -8
:)a little more on the Queen of the Islands, this is the one notable mistake made be Bennetts navy planners in these early days, she was the only vessel not planned by our local people, but was designed by German and Mllne of Montreal, and was totally out of scale to our needs, that is the mistake that Niel has correctly noted in our early ferry planning, but the bulk of this new building programme has stood the test of time well, and let's see if this offshore building comes close the sucess of our BC built fleet! :)mrdot.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 26, 2011 16:58:46 GMT -8
Using the information I provided above it should now be fairly easy to positively identify the ferry on the left in this photo... photo © Mr. DOT 1985Bonus points if you can name the others in order from left to right. ;D
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 26, 2011 17:47:29 GMT -8
Bowen Queen, Queen of the North (ex Queen of Surrey, Stena Danica), Queen of Vancouver (ex City of Vancouver), Queen of Alberni. ;D Bonus points?
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 26, 2011 18:23:28 GMT -8
Bonus - bonus points - tell us which ships were BC built, and which yard built which ship!
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Post by Mirrlees on Oct 26, 2011 18:49:02 GMT -8
Bowen Queen: VMD 1965 Victoria BC Queen of the North AG Wesser Werks, Bremmerhaven,Germany 1969. Queen of Vancouver: Burrard Dry Dock, North Vancouver 1962. Queen of Alberni: Vancouver Shipyards North Vancouver 1976.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 26, 2011 18:57:02 GMT -8
Bowen Queen: VMD 1965 Victoria BC Queen of the North AG Wesser Werks, Bremmerhaven,Germany 1969. Queen of Vancouver: Burrard Dry Dock, North Vancouver 1962. Queen of Alberni: Vancouver Shipyards North Vancouver 1976. You are absolutely correct and have won a fabulous ferry fanatic prize consisting of an all expenses paid round trip for two with vehicle aboard the lovely Usk Ferry*. *Redeemable only at the community of Usk BC on February 29th, 2012.
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Post by Mirrlees on Oct 26, 2011 19:06:53 GMT -8
Bowen Queen: VMD 1965 Victoria BC Queen of the North AG Wesser Werks, Bremmerhaven,Germany 1969. Queen of Vancouver: Burrard Dry Dock, North Vancouver 1962. Queen of Alberni: Vancouver Shipyards North Vancouver 1976. You are absolutely correct and have won a fabulous ferry fanatic prize consisting of an all expenses paid round trip for two with vehicle aboard the lovely Usk Ferry*. *Redeemable only at the community of Usk BC on February 29th, 2012.How about coming south, Jim and you can buy me a Bacon Cheeseburger on the Nanny, LOL
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 26, 2011 19:11:31 GMT -8
That may be doable around about Christmas!
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Post by WettCoast on May 27, 2014 22:11:52 GMT -8
As promised, more info on how to tell the V's apart, especially the Vic vs the Van... This is the Vancouver. It was lifted during 1981. In 1982 or 83 it received the BC Spirit logos. In 1983 the thin upper blue stripe was widened & made uniform with the lower stripe, and with the other V-class vessels. In 1984 its nose & tail were chopped. In late 1984 or early 1985 it received its Expo livery change. At about the same time it received additional windows at the platform car deck level. In the photo above note the info in the middle text bubble. It is in reference to that feature (ventilator?) just to the aft of the third of the mid-ship group of upper car deck windows. This feature is found on all four V's (not sure about the QNWM), but only on the Vancouver is it located a little below the bottom of the adjacent car deck windows.This is the Victoria. Its transitions between 1980 & 86 were pretty much the same as for the Vancouver. It had the BC Spirit logos by the summer of 1982. This is the Esquimalt in 1983, a year after it was lifted. Note that it did not yet have BC Spirit logos even though some of its fleet mates got theirs in 1982. In also had the thick upper blue stripe, which I think was there right from the time of lifting. This is the Saanich on 15 January of 1985. It was lifted in 1982, at the same time as the Esquimalt. It received its thicker upper blue strip & BC Spirit logos in 1982. It had its nose & tail job in 1984. Those platform car deck windows were new, and it would receive the Expo livery change not long after this photo was taken. This is the Esquimalt on 11 January 1985, with its Expo livery change not quite complete. Note that it does have the extra platform car deck windows in place. There is inadequate detail in this photo to say for certain that this is the Esquimalt, but I took a photo of the Saanich four days later, and it was still in pastel blue (see above). Conclusion: this is the Esquimalt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 6:32:37 GMT -8
Using the information I provided above it should now be fairly easy to positively identify the ferry on the left in this photo... photo © Mr. DOT 1985Bonus points if you can name the others in order from left to right. ;D Bowen/Mayne Queen on left, Queen of the North, Queen of Vancouver and Queen of Alberni on right
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 8:41:10 GMT -8
What stands out for me in this photo, is the green paint from the load-line downward on the Alberni and the North, but not on the Vancouver and the Bowen Queen. Most ferries these days, and other ships for that matter, have some kind of red paint from the load-line to the bottom of the hull.
Also looks like the North was getting her Expo 86 funnel livery.
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Post by princessofvanfan on Oct 19, 2014 21:48:54 GMT -8
To add to the matter, the Queen of the Islands has also served time between Swartz Bay and Fulford. I've talked to a couple of people who worked on her when she would fill in there. Also, good eyes, Jim. I didn't wasn't aware of so many little differences like that with the PRQ class, other than the obvious difference of the PRQ herself Yes, I remember QotI doing the Fulford run when we lived on Saltspring in 1978.
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