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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 18, 2010 20:21:15 GMT -8
Since PK and I are such road geeks in addition to us liking ferries, I thought I'd add a thread for discussion and pictures of our wonderful provincial highway system, including the sights and signs along the roads.
Since the tolls on the Coquihalla Highway were removed, I've been thinking that the highway numbers in the area should be re-aligned. The road between Lytton and Cache Creek should be given a brand new highway number (or decommissioned altogether), while the road from Lytton to Hope becomes part of Highway 12, Cache Creek to Kamloops becomes just Highway 97, and the Coquihalla Highway officially becomes part of the T-Can, being renumbered from 5 to 1.
However I wonder if the residents of Lytton and Cache Creek would react negatively to the idea of the T-Can being moved out of their towns...
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 18, 2011 18:01:40 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 18, 2011 19:53:58 GMT -8
Is it that there's no space between the words 'Horseshoe' and 'Bay'? Maybe the Highway 1 sign should say south, not west, since technically, that IS the direction of travel once one gets off the ferry?  |
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 18, 2011 22:16:34 GMT -8
The problem with that sign is that the "Exit 3" tag is on the wrong panel. It's supposed to be "Take exit 3 off of Highway 1 to get to Squamish and Whistler", since it is Highway 1 that starts at Horseshoe Bay, not Highway 99 (Exit numbers in BC are distance-based).
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Post by Quatchi on Jan 19, 2011 17:47:39 GMT -8
I actually don't think there is anything wrong with this.
The exit numbers aren't relative to the TCH they are relative tot hat chunk of highway. Seeing as they have reconfigured the whole interchange so that you now have to take an exit to get to Horseshoe Bay it kinda makes sense that the number three exit is for the TCH. The ferry terminal is exit 0 and Chilliwack is 119, Hope is 170 (where the TCH again leaves the highway) and Kamloops is 370 or something like that. So simply the exiting number scheme leaves the physical highway to continue on the way it used to be.
Cheers,
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 19, 2011 19:13:22 GMT -8
Seeing as they have reconfigured the whole interchange so that you now have to take an exit to get to Horseshoe Bay it kinda makes sense that the number three exit is for the TCH. Ever heard of "left-side exits", like this one, or this one?Besides, the BC MoT's Manual of Traffic Signs states that "exit number(s)...shall be equivalent to the number(s) on the kilometer [sic] marker(s)" and that "kilometer markers begin with ‘0’ at the westerly commencement of the highway for west-east routes and at the southerly commencement of the highway for south-north routes. Therefore km ‘0’ for Route 1 is at Horseshoe Bay and km ‘0’ for Route [99] is the USA border". That "exit 3" junction is at kilometre 2.4 on Highway 1, but on Highway 99, it's at kilometre 69.5. Gee... Kilometre 2.4, eh? That means not only is the exit tab misplaced, but the exit number is wrong as well. It should be exit 2 -- 2B for Highway 99 north to Whistler, 2A for Eagleridge Drive. |
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 19, 2011 19:26:44 GMT -8
The ferry terminal is exit 0 Okay, then why does the sign show exit 3 to be the ferry terminal instead of exit 0? Exit 2 shows as Eagleridge Drive: maps.google.ca/?ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=49.361524,-123.267571&panoid=am8Y3b5nZueAs8mj1lfEXw&cbp=12,266.89,,0,-4.8&hq=&hnear=Strait+Of+Georgia&ll=49.361551,-123.267409&spn=0,0.002411&z=19 Exit 1 seems to no longer exist. Exit 0 is visible here, and is the Marine Drive exit: maps.google.ca/?ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=49.37073,-123.274487&panoid=_-ok6zdJps_HFNmTGSt7bA&cbp=11,236.03,,1,-3.81&hq=&hnear=Strait+Of+Georgia&ll=49.370735,-123.274498&spn=0.003284,0.01929&z=16 |
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 19, 2011 19:30:48 GMT -8
The ferry terminal is exit 0 Okay, then why does the sign show exit 3 to be the ferry terminal instead of exit 0? Because it's the direction to the ferry terminal. Exit 0 is an eastbound exit only. Besides, the "exit 3" sign as it stands now gives the impression that it's exit 3 off Highway 99, implying that Highway 99 ends 3 km later. |
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Post by Quatchi on Jan 19, 2011 21:31:52 GMT -8
Agreed it does imply that highway 99 ends in 3 km, but it refers to HSB terminal as being the beginning of the highway.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 20, 2011 0:36:15 GMT -8
Agreed it does imply that highway 99 ends in 3 km, but it refers to HSB terminal as being the beginning of the highway. And the highway that terminates at HSB is, of course, not 99, but 1. |
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Post by piglet on Jan 20, 2011 9:28:21 GMT -8
Last I checked hwy 1 ends at Dallas road in Victoria via Nanaimo.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 20, 2011 12:26:08 GMT -8
Last I checked hwy 1 ends at Dallas road in Victoria via Nanaimo. It does, for the entire length. However, the Ministry's Manual of Traffic Signs says the kilometre markers reset to zero when leaving the Island. Also, it's not guaranteed that the SFPR will be numbered 17. It could just as easily be numbered 15, since it will terminate at Exit 53 off Highway 1. |
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 29, 2011 9:40:54 GMT -8
I saw this sign in Victoria. Could any of you road-geeks explain what this refers to?  (Don't worry, this is the last of the posts in this photo-posting marathon  ) |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 29, 2011 13:23:41 GMT -8
I saw this sign in Victoria. Could any of you road-geeks explain what this refers to? If this is near the Coho terminal , then it would likely be referring to the route-101 "pacific coast highway" that the Coho would take you to in Port Angeles (followed by a right-turn at PA to then find #101 on the west-coast of the Olympic peninsula. |
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Post by piglet on Jan 29, 2011 22:05:28 GMT -8
Maybe highway 14 up to Port Renfrew? Not being down the south end of the island for a few years I don't know but that is my guess.
By the way I looked that answer to the posts about hwy 1 and the marker restarting at hsb. Somewhere in my cupboard is a hat with the republic of vancouver island on it lol, it was the first thing to pop to mind when I saw that they reset the mileage like that lol.
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 29, 2011 23:25:57 GMT -8
Flug is correct about the sign being on a street outside of the black ball terminal, but what e exactly is the sign referring to?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 29, 2011 23:34:20 GMT -8
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Post by BreannaF on Jan 31, 2011 1:02:21 GMT -8
I remember a time when the Pacific Coast Scenic Byway was prominently marked on Washington State maps (both the official state-issued ones and the ones available at the service station) with a dotted line along the highway. It also seems like it has been quite a few years since that was the case -- although it seems it has also been quite a few years since the gas stations handed out maps. I also vividly remember those oddly-shaped signs being posted on 101 all over the Olympic Peninsula, as well as on the Oregon Coast. But I had forgotten about them until I saw the one posted here. I don't remember now having seen one in many, many years. There are both Washington and Oregon sections to the Scenic Byway, and I have seen recent references to them both in travel publications. However, it seems like it has been a very long time since I have seen one of those signs. A long time like, maybe, back when it still would have been my parents driving us around. A long time like, maybe, when I lived in Astoria for a couple of years about 15-17 years ago, and was up and down the coast a lot, that I don't really remember seeing more than a few of them back then. I believe that the sign has probably been there a very long time, and is well preserved just because of it's location. (Though it wouldn't bother me if someone said that they pass one everyday...) ;D |
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Post by piglet on Feb 1, 2011 8:36:13 GMT -8
Its a lovely drive that is true. Used to do it when dodging logging trucks was the norm lol.
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Post by hullnumbers on Apr 24, 2011 14:45:37 GMT -8
To anyone who lives in Victoria or knows this. The highway to the airport and the ferries is now open to traffic.
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Post by Nick on Apr 24, 2011 16:37:18 GMT -8
To anyone who lives in Victoria or knows this. The highway to the airport and the ferries is now open to traffic. Um.... Highway 17 has been open since 1959. Are you referring to the new McTavish interchange, which opened 2 weeks ago? |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 24, 2011 17:27:31 GMT -8
...and BC Ferries starts service in June 1960. ;D
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ok, so seeing as how the guy is probably referring to McTavish interchange (and that's just a guess), how or why is this significant?
is it a new way to get to Swartz Bay ?
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Post by lmtengs on Apr 24, 2011 18:03:19 GMT -8
how or why is this significant? It's significant because there are people (moi inclu) who were getting a little bit ticked with how long the McTavish interchange project was taking, and would have liked to know when it was completed. Now it's completed, so these certain people can drive Route 17 delay-and-barricade-free. |
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Post by Nick on Apr 24, 2011 18:10:51 GMT -8
how or why is this significant? It's significant because there are people (moi inclu) who were getting a little bit ticked with how long the McTavish interchange project was taking, and would have liked to know when it was completed. Now it's completed, so these certain people can drive Route 17 delay-and-barricade-free. Speaking as somebody who has dealt with that interchange construction EVERY DAY for the last 15 months, I can tell you that we knew back in January 2010 that it was scheduled to be completed by the end of March 2011, so it's not really a surprise that it's open. It opened April 9th, a whopping 10 days late... which given the scope of the project is not particularly bad. Not only that... but the construction never actually interfered with traffic on the main highway. The speed limit dropped from 80 to 60, but there were VERY few lane closures and the only highway closures were at night. I fail to see how this constitutes major delays. |
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Post by hullnumbers on Apr 25, 2011 9:41:55 GMT -8
To anyone who lives in Victoria or knows this. The highway to the airport and the ferries is now open to traffic. Um.... Highway 17 has been open since 1959. Are you referring to the new McTavish interchange, which opened 2 weeks ago? Yes, I ment the Mctavish interchange. In my opinion, I have mixed feelings about it. |
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