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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jul 29, 2014 15:46:55 GMT -8
This is not good. This is really not good. We are already short on vessels. If this proves to be a major problem, WSF really is in a crisis.
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Post by SolDuc on Jul 29, 2014 15:47:47 GMT -8
Lets hope Tacoma can be up for tomorrow, if not I suspect we can have a really good arm chair vessel assigner session tomorrow. :-) Puyallup moves down to BI to help the Walla Walla out, Tokitae replaces it, Cathlamet or Issaquah goes to replace the Tokitae at Mukilteo, Bremerton with a 130 and a 100 and Vashon on a two boat schedule (Tillikum and Evergreen) with the Hiyu helping out.
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Post by SolDuc on Jul 29, 2014 15:54:20 GMT -8
Update: WSF has cancelled the 6:45pm sailing from Seattle to Bremerton and 7:55pm Bremerton to Seattle to reset the Sealth on schedule. On situations like that I'd rather see them go in shuttle mode but I'm not in power of the ferry system. However if the Sealth can try to make up as much time as possible on her current roundtrip she could possibly have enough time to make a RT out to Bainbridge.
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Post by SolDuc on Jul 29, 2014 16:01:49 GMT -8
Update #2: the Sealth is indeed cancelling her Bremerton RT to reset the schedule and to provide an extra RT to Bainbridge, departing Seattle at 7:20 and BI at 8:10.
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Post by SolDuc on Jul 29, 2014 19:12:22 GMT -8
Allright, so the verdict has fallen and it's Edmonds-Kingston that's taking the axe tomorrow, and not the often-reduced in capacity Vashon and Bremerton routes. The Puyallup is moving down to Bainbridge and the Spokane is operating a one-boat schedule.
The "updates throughout the day" probably mean that the Tacoma is likely to return to service sometime tomorrow. Hopefully it will be before the evening commute.
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Post by maximase86 on Jul 29, 2014 19:41:57 GMT -8
Man, I would of almost expected them to put FVS to two boats and move the Issaquah up Edmmonds/Kingston. Maybe I never noticed, but the only time that I can think of that two JMII were out at the same time was because two of them weren't finished being built. Does anyone know of another time?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 29, 2014 20:58:43 GMT -8
Allright, so the verdict has fallen and it's Edmonds-Kingston that's taking the axe tomorrow, and not the often-reduced in capacity Vashon and Bremerton routes. The Puyallup is moving down to Bainbridge and the Spokane is operating a one-boat schedule. The "updates throughout the day" probably mean that the Tacoma is likely to return to service sometime tomorrow. Hopefully it will be before the evening commute. Given that she avoided a grounding by the rope (no pun intended) probably need to verify she can run and then determine the cause of failure.
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Post by chokai on Jul 29, 2014 21:36:29 GMT -8
Man, I would of almost expected them to put FVS to two boats and move the Issaquah up Edmmonds/Kingston. Maybe I never noticed, but the only time that I can think of that two JMII were out at the same time was because two of them weren't finished being built. Does anyone know of another time? S I wonder if the issue might be just how many boats you can move in one night?
Let the armchair ferry shuffling begin! Personally I'd go with what they did for tomorrow but if it looks like Tacoma will be out for more than one day I'd pull Kittitas off of Clinton and send her to E/K and kick Tillikum up to M/C to work with Tokitae and bring in the mighty Hiyu on the triangle. That leaves M/C with pretty good capacity and given Tokitae's inability to hold the schedule herself the slower Tillikum wouldn't have as big of an impact they'd just have to accept they'd be off schedule all day with about 10 less cars room than the run had last summer. E/K still gets screwed. I'd almost vote for keeping Puyallup there and kicking down Spokane to BI and reliving the 70's and 80's for a few days, maybe someone can find a few of her old chairs....
BTW I don't ever recall two of the JMIIs being down at the same time, maybe if you used hours as a measuring stick. A few years back there was a super on E/K for a while but that was because Wally had eaten her drive motor leaving only three Jumbo class vessels available when one of the JMII's went in for maintenance.
edit: Seattle times posted a good article, neat stat is that according to Capacci this is only 2nd time in 40 years a state ferry has dropped anchor. One of two main electrical panels backup as of this evening.
seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024193844_ferrystallxml.html
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Jul 29, 2014 21:46:12 GMT -8
Man, I would of almost expected them to put FVS to two boats and move the Issaquah up Edmmonds/Kingston. Maybe I never noticed, but the only time that I can think of that two JMII were out at the same time was because two of them weren't finished being built. Does anyone know of another time? S I wonder if the issue might be just how many boats you can move in one night?
Let the armchair ferry shuffling begin! Personally I'd go with what they did for tomorrow but if it looks like Tacoma will be out for more than one day I'd pull Kittitas off of Clinton and send her to E/K and kick Tillikum up to M/C to work with Tokitae and bring in the mighty Hiyu on the triangle. That leaves M/C with pretty good capacity and given Tokitae's inability to hold the schedule herself the slower Tillikum wouldn't have as big of an impact they'd just have to accept they'd be off schedule all day with about 10 less cars room than the run had last summer. E/K still gets screwed. I'd almost vote for keeping Puyallup there and kicking down Spokane to BI and reliving the 70's and 80's for a few days, maybe someone can find a few of her old chairs....
BTW I don't ever recall two of the JMIIs being down at the same time, maybe if you used hours as a measuring stick. A few years back there was a super on E/K for a while but that was because Wally had eaten her drive motor leaving only three Jumbo class vessels available when one of the JMII's went in for maintenance.
edit: Seattle times posted a good article, neat stat is that according to Capacci this is only 2nd time in 40 years a state ferry has dropped anchor.
seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024193844_ferrystallxml.html
Well they would send the Issaquah to Edmonds and make the Triangle route on two boat schedule with the Tillikum and Evergreen State, so I agree with maximase86. Plus if the Tillikum is moved to Mukilteo, it would not only be a decrease in capacity for an already cramped route, it would also be too many vessel swaps when it is practical to just move the Issaquah and make a two boat run or send the Hiyu for the third boat on the triangle. If it was the case with if they were to move a boat from Mukilteo, it would be the Tokitae for the higher passenger and car capacity. I do agree that they should send down the Spokane and keep the Puyallup on Kingston if it is a one boat schedule.
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Post by northwesterner on Jul 29, 2014 22:49:50 GMT -8
I wonder if the issue might be just how many boats you can move in one night?
Let the armchair ferry shuffling begin! Personally I'd go with what they did for tomorrow but if it looks like Tacoma will be out for more than one day I'd pull Kittitas off of Clinton and send her to E/K and kick Tillikum up to M/C to work with Tokitae and bring in the mighty Hiyu on the triangle. That leaves M/C with pretty good capacity and given Tokitae's inability to hold the schedule herself the slower Tillikum wouldn't have as big of an impact they'd just have to accept they'd be off schedule all day with about 10 less cars room than the run had last summer. E/K still gets screwed. I'd almost vote for keeping Puyallup there and kicking down Spokane to BI and reliving the 70's and 80's for a few days, maybe someone can find a few of her old chairs....
BTW I don't ever recall two of the JMIIs being down at the same time, maybe if you used hours as a measuring stick. A few years back there was a super on E/K for a while but that was because Wally had eaten her drive motor leaving only three Jumbo class vessels available when one of the JMII's went in for maintenance.
edit: Seattle times posted a good article, neat stat is that according to Capacci this is only 2nd time in 40 years a state ferry has dropped anchor. One of two main electrical panels backup as of this evening.
seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024193844_ferrystallxml.html
A couple of nice points in your post... I suspect doing one boat service at Edmonds is a result of "how many ferries can you move in one night." With just a four hour window after service ends and before it starts up again in the morning, and many crews maxed on hours, I suspect there isn't too much more that can be done. Edmonds Kingston is at its heaviest on the weekends; while one boat service is going to suck tomorrow, its not going to be catastrophic. I also agree that pulling the Issaquah off F/V/S is probably untenable for capacity reasons. The Tillikum or Evergreen State could at least keep the schedule at M/C even though they would take fewer cars. One of them operated up there a few years ago, it wasn't the end of the world. There must have been two JMIIs down a few years back when the Hyak took a turn at Seattle-Winslow... they didn't want the Spokane or Walla Walla because they were rated for fewer passengers (at the time) than the Hyak... so the Hyak ran alongside another JMII for a few weeks. I remember the jokes on this board about whether the bridge crew would remember how to use the telegraph. That was an excellent piece by Mike Lindblom in the Seattle Times tonight. George Capacci comes across well in the media, not only bringing up the dropped anchor (I was wondering about that ... unlike BCF you never see deckhands "manning the anchor" so I knew it was pretty unusual. I wonder what the previous time was) but also his advocacy for keeping the Evergreen State active as a contingency vessel.
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Post by FNS on Jul 29, 2014 23:50:35 GMT -8
Sometimes, the international run may get cancelled due to vessel needs on more important commuter routes. Alternate services to Vancouver Island are via the COHO and BCF.
I would have sent the CHELAN to Columbia Beach and work with the KITTITAS there, and send the TOKITAE to Kingston to work with the SPOKANE.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 30, 2014 4:35:21 GMT -8
Sometimes, the international run may get cancelled due to vessel needs on more important commuter routes. Alternate services to Vancouver Island are via the COHO and BCF. I would have sent the CHELAN to Columbia Beach and work with the KITTITAS there, and send the TOKITAE to Kingston to work with the SPOKANE. Nobody at Kingston is trained on the Tokitae; certainly not enough people to actually operate it.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 30, 2014 4:38:44 GMT -8
Neat stat, but wrong. The Kaleetan dropped one in 1999-2000 sometime during a power failure; another Super (memory escapes me) around the same time, same thing. Might've been the same boat. And I'm pretty sure there have been others.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jul 30, 2014 10:54:35 GMT -8
Accoring to the Kitsap Sun Facebook page, the Tacoma won't be returning to service until next week.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 30, 2014 11:23:33 GMT -8
Accoring to the Kitsap Sun Facebook page, the Tacoma won't be returning to service until next week. If it's really going to take that long to fix Tacoma, the ferry system should, or perhaps will, consider moving one of the Supers from Anacortes to Kingston to resume 2-boat service there - perhaps Hyak. Then move Chelan off of the Sidney run to fill in for Hyak. Yes, it sucks if you had reservations for the Sidney ferry, but that route really isn't essential to the system the way other WSF routes are. Anyway, we'd hopefully only be talking about a week here. Service returns back to a more normal state either when Wenatchee returns, or Tacoma gets fixed, whichever happens first.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 30, 2014 11:56:37 GMT -8
Accoring to the Kitsap Sun Facebook page, the Tacoma won't be returning to service until next week. If it's really going to take that long to fix Tacoma, the ferry system should, or perhaps will, consider moving one of the Supers from Anacortes to Kingston to resume 2-boat service there - perhaps Hyak. Then move Chelan off of the Sidney run to fill in for Hyak. Yes, it sucks if you had reservations for the Sidney ferry, but that route really isn't essential to the system the way other WSF routes are. Anyway, we'd hopefully only be talking about a week here. Service returns back to a more normal state either when Wenatchee returns, or Tacoma gets fixed, whichever happens first. Send the Hiyu to replace the Klahowya, shift the Hyak down to Kingston and the Klahowya could fill in for the Hyak.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 30, 2014 12:20:52 GMT -8
Yeah the best bet would be to take the Chelan off the Sidney run and use her somewhere else! It just means bc ferries would be busier now!
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Jul 30, 2014 12:22:36 GMT -8
If it's really going to take that long to fix Tacoma, the ferry system should, or perhaps will, consider moving one of the Supers from Anacortes to Kingston to resume 2-boat service there - perhaps Hyak. Then move Chelan off of the Sidney run to fill in for Hyak. Yes, it sucks if you had reservations for the Sidney ferry, but that route really isn't essential to the system the way other WSF routes are. Anyway, we'd hopefully only be talking about a week here. Service returns back to a more normal state either when Wenatchee returns, or Tacoma gets fixed, whichever happens first. Send the Hiyu to replace the Klahowya, shift the Hyak down to Kingston and the Klahowya could fill in for the Hyak. Do they know what is wrong with the Tacoma?
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 30, 2014 12:27:52 GMT -8
Send the Hiyu to replace the Klahowya, shift the Hyak down to Kingston and the Klahowya could fill in for the Hyak. Do they know what is wrong with the Tacoma? No. This is from the KitsapSun artilce: Washington State Ferries officials said today they hope to know what went wrong sometime next week. Then there's still the matter of fixing it. Engineers at Eagle Harbor Maintenance Facility are looking at the switchboard that controls the ship's propulsion. They must disconnect all of the electrical components in the engine control room before investigators can diagnose why the Tacoma lost power.
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Post by northwesterner on Jul 30, 2014 13:18:47 GMT -8
Send the Hiyu to replace the Klahowya, shift the Hyak down to Kingston and the Klahowya could fill in for the Hyak. I'm not sure that's the best plan... Isn't the Klahowya's speed limited due to her drive motor condition? I'd assume she moves no faster than the Evergreen State, these days, if that. In the middle of winter with less than full loads running the Evergreen State on the mainline SJI schedule left her hopelessly behind; imagine on a summer Friday afternoon. Yikes. I liked the plan outlined yesterday by someone else on the board where either the Klahowya or Tillikum go to Mukilteo-Clinton, the Kittitas moves to Edmonds-Kingston (imagine that Sunday night back up) and the Hiyu goes to either F/V/S or San Juan Interisland. With the Tokitae and an Evergreen State class vessel at Mukilteo-Clinton, you have nearly the same capacity as when two Issaquah 130s are operating.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 30, 2014 13:58:23 GMT -8
Accoring to the Kitsap Sun Facebook page, the Tacoma won't be returning to service until next week. If it's really going to take that long to fix Tacoma, the ferry system should, or perhaps will, consider moving one of the Supers from Anacortes to Kingston to resume 2-boat service there - perhaps Hyak. Then move Chelan off of the Sidney run to fill in for Hyak. Yes, it sucks if you had reservations for the Sidney ferry, but that route really isn't essential to the system the way other WSF routes are. Anyway, we'd hopefully only be talking about a week here. Service returns back to a more normal state either when Wenatchee returns, or Tacoma gets fixed, whichever happens first. Looks like you called it...just got word Sidney is going to be cancelled the next two days.
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Post by whitieiii on Aug 1, 2014 15:04:59 GMT -8
would have thought the Walla2 would of made it to Kingston/Edmonds by now, but then again we really need 4 215 car ferrys to really be on track these days I think.... word is I hear that Kingston will get one of the 100 car ferrys.... don't quote me on that
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Post by maximase86 on Aug 1, 2014 15:42:55 GMT -8
Where did that word come from because I don't think anyone else has heard that word.
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Post by FNS on Aug 1, 2014 16:20:45 GMT -8
would have thought the Walla2 would of made it to Kingston/Edmonds by now, but then again we really need 4 215 car ferrys to really be on track these days I think.... word is I hear that Kingston will get one of the 100 car ferrys.... don't quote me on that Kingston did have a 100-car ferry for awhile. The TILLIKUM was there from 1968 through 1972. The KALEETAN replaced her in 1973. This route was downgraded from one 160-car ferry (ELWHA) and a 75-car ferry (NISQUALLY) to the 100-car TILLIKUM in February 1979 after the Hood Canal Bridge sank. This route also had the then new 100-car I-Class ferries for a short while in the 1980s. It's good that the EDM-KIN run has two big ferries most of the time. This is a busy route and a good one to get to and from communities north of Seattle.
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Post by whitieiii on Aug 1, 2014 17:59:37 GMT -8
oh, my bad.... I mean to put in place of boat one for this week as she is off helping at Winslow.... the Wenatchee is at Kingston after returning from Canada.... the Puyallup and Walla2 are at winslow now...
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