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MV Hyak
Dec 6, 2006 17:50:06 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 6, 2006 17:50:06 GMT -8
Ah, yes, and no I was being serious, not sarcastic.
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Neil
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MV Hyak
Dec 6, 2006 17:53:53 GMT -8
Post by Neil on Dec 6, 2006 17:53:53 GMT -8
I want to hear a rant about suspended ceilings. I'm not sure such a thing is possible. Come on P-I... give 'er!
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MV Hyak
Dec 6, 2006 18:03:38 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 6, 2006 18:03:38 GMT -8
Well then, you asked for it. I HATE QUIZZES! I HAVE FAILED ONE ALREADY TODAY CAUSE I DID NOT EVEN STUDY! 8/12 but not sure if it is counted big time but it is bad if it does. Math, I am not learning anything new whatsoever,cause of our dumb a$$ school district using a teacher form the local high school who had kids leaving within three weeks while he taught at the high school. He believe students should figure out how to learn a completely new concept by yourself and have to use other students and teachers as a last resort. IT IS SO challenged! Most parents don't get it, it takes TWO hours to get one problem done if you do not get it. My mom had to dig out her old college book to get it. I stayed up till 11:30 to do one assignment that was homework. I am thinking "gee I might as well try and do better on the tests" versus wasting my time on homework. Bottom Line: School stinks cause of some people who do not do their jobs in the way some of us believe they should. Especially in English where my teacher is bias with questions and answers when it comes to interpetive meanings.
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MV Hyak
Dec 6, 2006 20:24:10 GMT -8
Post by Mike C on Dec 6, 2006 20:24:10 GMT -8
Rant about the suspended ceilings on WSF before I start ranting about the Queen of Chilliwack (and you know THAT won't be pretty) ;D
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MV Hyak
Dec 6, 2006 20:45:15 GMT -8
Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 6, 2006 20:45:15 GMT -8
I do not want to go there.
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MV Hyak
Dec 6, 2006 20:53:09 GMT -8
Post by Ferryman on Dec 6, 2006 20:53:09 GMT -8
If you think 8/12 is a fail, and are stressed over a C+ mark, then you must be a quite sucessful person. The one thing students nowadays don't think about, is that regular everyday school that you experience pretty much everyday during the adolescent part of your life, teaches you how to deal with regular stress issues.
ANYWAYS.......!
Re: Hyak. Interesting name, and ship. Twin, but of course not quite identical to the Elwha. "Super Class(?)" vessels, that competed with BC Ferries C-Class Ferries, in being the largest doubled ended Ferries? Yet, I believe they were both designed by the same person, Phillip Spaulding? With the mechanical problems put aside, with the Elwha, which one out of the two twins do you prefer? I'd pick the Elwha, because she apparently has some character to her. I'm not too sure about the Hyak yet, as I'm still learning about it, via this thread.
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 7, 2006 7:37:02 GMT -8
ANYWAYS.......! Re: Hyak. Interesting name, and ship. Twin, but of course not quite identical to the Elwha. Quadruplet, with the Yakima and Kaleetan. And at one time they were identical. I think you're confusing them with the Jumbo class, which look very similar to the Original C-class (the Surrey II and Oak Bay got stretched passenger cabins, of course), which were indeed designed by Philip Spaulding & Associates. The Supers were designed by W.C. Nickum & Sons. (Look around your fleet and ours both... Spaulding pilothouses are very easy to spot.) I'm partial to each one at different times for different reasons, myself. Even the Elwha, which has attempted to break my knee on two different occasions and I still suspect has tried to kill me once. ;D At the moment I'm partial to the Hyak, because it's where I've been most recently and I will be spending part of my winter, and because she still has her original upright brass telegraph (as opposed to the newer style console telegraph, which looks like a throttle handle).
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Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 7, 2006 8:02:44 GMT -8
All of the Issaquahs (except the Chelan, which has an overhead like the JM2s), the Steel-Electrics and the Jumbos (unless they were changed) have the suspended ceilings of said tiles fitted in between aluminum T-bar. The Jumbos still have the suspended ceilings. On the Issaquah, the tiles were painted a tannish color when she got her new interior in 1996. Any tiles replaced since then haven't been painted (at least not consistently).
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FNS
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MV Hyak
Dec 7, 2006 13:36:06 GMT -8
Post by FNS on Dec 7, 2006 13:36:06 GMT -8
ANYWAYS.......! Re: Hyak. Interesting name, and ship. Twin, but of course not quite identical to the Elwha. Quadruplet, with the Yakima and Kaleetan. And at one time they were identical. ;) I think you're confusing them with the Jumbo class, which look very similar to the Original C-class (the Surrey II and Oak Bay got stretched passenger cabins, of course), which were indeed designed by Philip Spaulding & Associates. The Supers were designed by W.C. Nickum & Sons. (Look around your fleet and ours both... Spaulding pilothouses are very easy to spot.) I'm partial to each one at different times for different reasons, myself. Even the Elwha, which has attempted to break my knee on two different occasions and I still suspect has tried to kill me once. ;D At the moment I'm partial to the Hyak, because it's where I've been most recently and I will be spending part of my winter, and because she still has her original upright brass telegraph (as opposed to the newer style console telegraph, which looks like a throttle handle). Soon after the HYAK, KALEETAN, YAKIMA, and ELWHA entered service in 1967-68, Nickum and Spaulding joined together to form one elite company. They both designed the 1972 SPOKANE and WALLA WALLA. It might have been the WALLA WALLA's Summer of 1973 appearance on the Sidney run that gave BCF an urge to get bigger replicas of their own. N&S, along with Canadian partner McLaren, designed the QUEEN OF COQUITLAM, QUEEN OF COWICHAN, the then truck ferry QUEEN OF ALBERNI, and the later QUEEN OF OAK BAY and QUEEN OF SURREY II. C & C's passenger cabin is the same length as the S & WW's. SPOKANE and WALLA WALLA are 440' in length, the five Canadians are 457', and the current title holders of being the world's longest double enders (TACOMA, WENATCHEE, and PUYALLUP) are 460 feet in length. All this will change when the German trio are each assembled and they'll be the champions of double enders.
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MV Hyak
Dec 7, 2006 22:09:02 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 7, 2006 22:09:02 GMT -8
I woud suspect that it had something to do with the fact that even by 1972 it was already painfully obvious that the Supers were too narrow for the capacity they were hauling. Picture two Galaxie 500s side-by-side trying to open their doors out in the wings...
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MV Hyak
Dec 13, 2006 9:37:18 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 13, 2006 9:37:18 GMT -8
Just wondering what is the meaning of the "wings"? Are they the 2nd deck for autos or the outer lanes of the main car deck? Thanks!
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MV Hyak
Dec 13, 2006 9:47:08 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 13, 2006 9:47:08 GMT -8
Shasta: both. You've just described the "upper wing" and "lower wing." The midsection of the main deck is referred to as the "tunnel." The Rhododendron doesn't have a tunnel, having only the center stairwells/fidley area. It has wings, I suppose... never thought about it before.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 16:29:53 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 20, 2006 16:29:53 GMT -8
Were all of the San Diego built Super Class ferries constructed exactly the same (except for the wide green paint strip on MV Hyak)? I believe that all of the vessels in the Steel Electric class and the Evergreen class were slightly different as built even though they were placed in the same class.
PS: It's interesting to note that the older classes (Steel Electrics-6 vessels) and Wooden Electrics-4 vessels) were constructed in about a year. Looks like it might take a decade to build new vessels at the rate things are moving today.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 17:25:26 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 20, 2006 17:25:26 GMT -8
Now, now... we don't know how long it took to get the contracts signed for those. The Super class vessels were, as far as I know, identical (except possibly for some stiffening stanchions on the car deck which, if installed, would've been retrofitted to make all four identical again). The Klahowya and Tillikum were originally identical; the Evergreen State is slightly smaller and, frankly, obviously a prototype. I have no explanation why the Illahee (ex- Lake Tahoe) is two inches longer than the other Steel-Electrics.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 18:12:07 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 20, 2006 18:12:07 GMT -8
PS: It's interesting to note that the older classes (Steel Electrics-6 vessels) and Wooden Electrics-4 vessels) were constructed in about a year. Looks like it might take a decade to build new vessels at the rate things are moving today. I'm assuming the 4 refers to how many wood-electrics served on Puet Sound. If you include the Golden Bear (wrecked off the Oregon Coast in a storm while being towed to Seattle), then it's actually 5. One reason why the steel-electrics were all built in the same year is that 3 different shipyards (Moore Dry Dock, Bethlehem Steel (or whatever the name was), and the yard that built the wood-electrics) each built two. For some reason, the Lake Tahoe (Illahee) and Redwood Empire (Quinault) had smaller windows in the curved portions of the cabin at each end. The Klahowya and Tillikum were originally identical Except for the white band on the stack (the Tillikum had a larger one). I'm assuming the white band was not originally the same size on both.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 18:40:57 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 20, 2006 18:40:57 GMT -8
I'm assuming the 4 refers to how many wood-electrics served on Puet Sound. If you include the Golden Bear (wrecked off the Oregon Coast in a storm while being towed to Seattle), then it's actually 5. Yes, Golden Bear never saw service on Puget Sound. Well, most of her didn't. Her engines were removed and placed in MV Kehloken. My father was part of the crew of Golden Bear when she fell apart of the coast of Oregon. The tow line parted during a storm and the crew under the command of Louis Van Bogaert started her engines. Then, according to my father, they could not shut them down when the cabin fell apart.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 19:16:00 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 20, 2006 19:16:00 GMT -8
It's very interesting that both the Wooden Electric and the Steel Electric vessels must have been quite different in cabin layout or design. According to WSF Fleet List publications, some had very different passenger capacities. MV Kehoklen was listed as 770, MV Chetzemoka at 400, and MV Klahanie at 601. Before their 1980's rebuild, MV Ilahee and MV Klickitat were listed as 800, MV Nisqually and MV Quinault at 665. I have been on all of these vessels before rebuilds, but cannot remember many details about their cabin layout.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 19:28:25 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 20, 2006 19:28:25 GMT -8
The Kehloken had a fully enclosed passenger cabin--no outdoor access on the cabin level. The Klahanie and Chetzemoka... I have no idea why their capacities were different, nor for the Steel-Electrics.
I've seen a couple of interior photos of the Klahanie and sort of hashed out a possible layout of the cabin area... it was pretty no-frills from what I was able to ascertain.
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MV Hyak
Dec 20, 2006 19:48:11 GMT -8
Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 20, 2006 19:48:11 GMT -8
The Klahanie and Chetzemoka... I have no idea why their capacities were different, nor for the Steel-Electrics. Was the capacity difference between the Klahanie and the Chetzemoka always like that during their entire WSF careers or just towards the end? As for the steel-electrics, one possible reason for the difference could be the galley layouts. From what I remember, the seating areas in the galleys on the Illahee and Klickitat were open when the galley was closed (they weren't on the Quinault and Nisqually), so that could explain the difference.
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FNS
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MV Hyak
Dec 21, 2006 21:55:31 GMT -8
Post by FNS on Dec 21, 2006 21:55:31 GMT -8
I have taken rides aboard all four Steel Electrics on the Mukilteo - Clinton run in the 1970s - all when the vessels had their wooden cabins.
My first Steel Electric ride on this run came in the early 1970s when the QUINAULT replaced the RHODODENDRON for maintenance. At that time, she had massive serving counters with swivel stools in her dining room. Our favorite waitress was on board. The only food ferry during that time on the Clinton run was the RHODY and the waitress manned the RHODY GALLEY fine. The QUINAULT's galley was huge to man and she only served donuts and beverages. The dining room end touched Clinton that time. The next time the QUINAULT visited, the counters were replaced by yellow and red tables and seats and the room painted bright orange with red flooring (the dining room end on that next visit touched Mukilteo). She then had a self serve shelving and hot to go ordering desk in a rectangular housing. The NISQUALLY's galley was exactly the same as the QUINAULT's.
The ILLAHEE's and KLICKITAT's galleys had angled serving counters at the corner and seating.
Only the ILLAHEE had an open door policy after hours as the entrance doors were removed and a steel screen covered the galley. Up to four or five vending machines were on the bulkhead behind the number two end observatory.
Entrance doors remained on the KLICKITAT, NISQUALLY, and QUINAULT and were locked when their galleys were closed.
When I get power back at home this weekend, hopefully, I will draw up and post the interior arrangements of the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY in their final before steeling.
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MV Hyak
Dec 22, 2006 0:38:00 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 22, 2006 0:38:00 GMT -8
When I get power back at home this weekend, hopefully, I will draw up and post the interior arrangements of the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY in their final before steeling. [glow=red,2,300]YES![/glow] Please do. I am certain all of us would enjoy the information. I think SS San Mateo is correct in saying that vessels with closed off galleys when not open would reduce the passenger capacity of the ferry as it would be open to passengers only during service hours. I clearly remember the galley on MV Chetzemoka. It was a nice and cozy space that took up about 1/3rd of the space on one side of the vessel. I remember that it served good food and folks could enjoy it when she was on the San Juan Island run. There was usually time to enjoy the meal, especially between Anacortes and Friday Harbor because the "Old Chetz" was never in a hurry. ;D This galley space was locked up when the galley was not in operation.
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MV Hyak
Dec 22, 2006 0:45:24 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 22, 2006 0:45:24 GMT -8
In reference to galleys.......Does the new lift that was recently installed on MV Hyak reach up to the galley on the second level? I remember it being quite a climb to reach it from the main car deck. That likely took (takes?) away some of the business.
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MV Hyak
Dec 22, 2006 14:57:29 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 22, 2006 14:57:29 GMT -8
In reference to galleys.......Does the new lift that was recently installed on MV Hyak reach up to the galley on the second level? I remember it being quite a climb to reach it from the main car deck. That likely took (takes?) away some of the business. Yes. All WSF auto ferries (except the Klickitat and Hiyu) have fully accessible passenger areas via elevator. However, not all elevators serve all levels of the car deck. The Issaquah-class boats and the Elwha's elevators only serve the lower areas of the car deck.
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MV Hyak
Dec 26, 2006 11:02:10 GMT -8
Post by SS Shasta on Dec 26, 2006 11:02:10 GMT -8
Speaking of elevators: Does anyone have an idea as to why there are so many elevator breakdowns on WSF vessels? Every week or so there are several postings by WSF announcing an elevator breakdown. I have never noticed a heavy usage of elevators on vessels.
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MV Hyak
Dec 26, 2006 15:45:01 GMT -8
Post by Barnacle on Dec 26, 2006 15:45:01 GMT -8
Elevators don't like to travel in any direction other than vertically. When the lateral component (i.e., rolling) gets involved, there's a trip switch that is, theoretically, like the "tilt" mechanism on a pinball machine. That's part of it... then there's the whole electrical-components-and-salt-water-exposure issue, which I suspect is the majority cause. Oh, and did I mention that the elevators on the Issaquah are heaps of post-consumer waste?
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