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Post by northwesterner on Aug 7, 2013 22:39:36 GMT -8
This is a nice piece. Pretty dramatic picture of the Nisqually I've never seen before. The author believes that the sponsoned hull was what kept her water tight in this collision...
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Post by FNS on Aug 8, 2013 7:53:14 GMT -8
This is a nice piece. Pretty dramatic picture of the Nisqually I've never seen before. The author believes that the sponsoned hull was what kept her water tight in this collision... This photo can be seen in living color ("colour" for you Canadians) on evergreenfleet.com: www.evergreenfleet.com/nisquallyretired.htmlPlace your pointer over the deck view to get the side view. This happened several years before the Chief Engineer lost his full sized stateroom aboard the NISQUALLY. It was divided into two for an Assistant Engineer to have his berth. The impact slightly penetrated the dining room. It had the beautiful serving counter with swivel stools then. It was changed to a walk-up servery and alternating red and yellow tables with seats in the 1970s.
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Post by FNS on Aug 9, 2013 18:19:54 GMT -8
Here's a look inside a wheelhouse aboard a then new Steel Electric as published on Page 13 in George Harlan's book "Of Waking Beams and Paddle Wheels" :
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 10, 2013 5:11:02 GMT -8
Interesting. When I read that, I took it to mean the controls which were in the pilothouse. Is there any supporting text in the book to explain the photo further? It appears I may stand corrected.
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Post by rusty on Aug 10, 2013 8:54:35 GMT -8
As I understood it, the early Steels had pilothouse control of the propulsion controller rheostat via long chains to the engineroom. It would appear that one of the telegraphs in the pilothouse provided this function.
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 10, 2013 11:59:56 GMT -8
I know with wheelhouses from that time wouldn't have anything near the creature comforts we see today, however I'm curious what kind of manoeuvering control they had back then. I see one small wheel, potentially one telegraph and one engine throttle? Does anyone have any idea if the engine telegraphs were only for control for whichever propeller was acting as the stern and if the wheel would only control the rudder at the stern? Or was it, one control does both ends but the forward end does opposite to whatever the stern is doing? If that description makes sense to anyone.... On the Howe Sound Queen, when they test the electric telegraphs while having Engine Room control, both engines push ahead or both engines push astern since there is only one telegraph available, even though it's a double ender. While running in wheelhouse control, you can control the engines however you prefer of course.
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 10, 2013 12:54:44 GMT -8
As I understood it, the early Steels had pilothouse control of the propulsion controller rheostat via long chains to the engineroom. It would appear that one of the telegraphs in the pilothouse provided this function. Did this have anything to do with the elaborate bicycle-chain setup the Klick had in later years?
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Post by rusty on Aug 11, 2013 9:57:35 GMT -8
Not really, though they would have controlled the same thing. I think the "bicycle" chain and shafting arrangement came when the rheostat was moved from behind the console and off to the side for better access, probably when they were reconfigured for two main engines from four.
There was no independent propeller control. The two telegraphs picture would probably be one for pilothouse control, one for engine room control.
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 7, 2013 15:44:29 GMT -8
I scanned this neat find out of an old magazine, 1969 Guide to Fidalgo and the San Juan Islands. It's a great shot of Klickitat.
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Post by FNS on Sept 7, 2013 19:57:03 GMT -8
That's a great photo of the KLICKITAT!
She was seen here being commanded at End Number Two, the dining room end of the ferry. She would most likely be on her way to Anacortes as this end normally touched Fidalgo Island.
The hatches to the enclosed midships shelter are seen open in this pic as it must have been a warm day on that trip.
I really miss those Steel Electrics.
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Post by Barnacle on Sept 9, 2013 17:05:08 GMT -8
That's a great photo of the KLICKITAT! She was seen here being commanded at End Number Two, the dining room end of the ferry. She would most likely be on her way to Anacortes as this end normally touched Fidalgo Island. The hatches to the enclosed midships shelter are seen open in this pic as it must have been a warm day on that trip. I really miss those Steel Electrics. Share with the class, please... what are the indicators you used to arrive at which end was in use? (Oh, just for the record, we typically go from Friday Harbor with #2 end in command regardless of eastbound destination; it's usually easier to turn the boat around at the next stop if running inter-island service. Though I confess I have turned the Sealth and Hyak around inside Friday Harbor a few times. Anyway, I'll agree that if that's the #2 end, she is more than likely eastbound somewhere.)
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Sept 9, 2013 20:41:22 GMT -8
That's a great photo of the KLICKITAT! She was seen here being commanded at End Number Two, the dining room end of the ferry. She would most likely be on her way to Anacortes as this end normally touched Fidalgo Island. The hatches to the enclosed midships shelter are seen open in this pic as it must have been a warm day on that trip. I really miss those Steel Electrics. Share with the class, please... what are the indicators you used to arrive at which end was in use? (Oh, just for the record, we typically go from Friday Harbor with #2 end in command regardless of eastbound destination; it's usually easier to turn the boat around at the next stop if running inter-island service. Though I confess I have turned the Sealth and Hyak around inside Friday Harbor a few times. Anyway, I'll agree that if that's the #2 end, she is more than likely eastbound somewhere.) I can't speak for our esteemed friend FNS here, but I do believe that the key factor may be the naming on the bulwarks. I believe it has always been primary custom as well as a navigation requirement to put the name and homeport on the stern end (#2 in this case) and on the bow, just the name. I may be wrong, but it looks to me like WSF had not yet put the homeport below the name on No. 1 End just yet.
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Post by Barnacle on Sept 10, 2013 15:40:10 GMT -8
Share with the class, please... what are the indicators you used to arrive at which end was in use? (Oh, just for the record, we typically go from Friday Harbor with #2 end in command regardless of eastbound destination; it's usually easier to turn the boat around at the next stop if running inter-island service. Though I confess I have turned the Sealth and Hyak around inside Friday Harbor a few times. Anyway, I'll agree that if that's the #2 end, she is more than likely eastbound somewhere.) I can't speak for our esteemed friend FNS here, but I do believe that the key factor may be the naming on the bulwarks. I believe it has always been primary custom as well as a navigation requirement to put the name and homeport on the stern end (#2 in this case) and on the bow, just the name. I may be wrong, but it looks to me like WSF had not yet put the homeport below the name on No. 1 End just yet. Interesting. I'd never given it much thought, because some boats (everything Super Class and later, as far as I can tell) has come with homeports on both ends. I had no idea there was a correlation. I think I spotted the other, equally subtle way to tell... it has to do with the placement of the galley vents vs. the placement of the vents for the heads.
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Post by FNS on Sept 10, 2013 16:30:47 GMT -8
Here's again is a layout of a Steel-Electric I did for this forum in 2006: This is of the NISQUALLY. The top shows the layout, the middle shows her starboard side, and the bottom shows her port side.
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Post by Taxman on Sept 18, 2013 16:18:14 GMT -8
Looking at the deck plan, it appears that it has to do with the door placement, there are 2 on the "port" side so it is facing #2 end. It is presumptive that the #2 end is in command, but presumably they would run the ferry from the "forward" end of the vessel
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Post by Barnacle on Sept 19, 2013 4:40:12 GMT -8
So the pair of natural vents (the non-cowled jobs) that are furthest across the beam of the cabin would be over the heads; the closer pair would be over the galley, which is always on the #2 end as far as I know. Makes sense.
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Post by FNS on Sept 21, 2013 14:31:59 GMT -8
Here's a photo for you to enjoy looking at: From the book "Maritime Memories of Puget Sound". Can you guess where the NISQUALLY was in this photo?
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Post by SolDuc on Sept 21, 2013 14:43:14 GMT -8
Here's a photo for you to enjoy looking at: From the book "Maritime Memories of Puget Sound". Can you guess where the NISQUALLY was in this photo? Ummm... Harper?
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Post by FNS on Sept 21, 2013 14:49:17 GMT -8
Nope ... I'll give you Forum mates until mid-day Sunday to come up with the correct location of the Steel-Electric before I give you the answer.
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Post by SolDuc on Sept 21, 2013 14:57:07 GMT -8
Nope ... I'll give you Forum mates until mid-day Sunday to come up with the correct location of the Steel-Electric before I give you the answer. Ohh...that pic of the bookmobile and the Rosario is coming back...it must be Point White! If not, it's probably the old Anacortes terminal If not, probably Suquamish or Indianola If not, I give up.
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Post by Barnacle on Sept 21, 2013 15:15:42 GMT -8
Let's see... it's somewhere off the beaten path. Somewhere not served by WSF anymore... The Nisqually did some service at Port Ludlow; also a little up in the islands, but the dock configuration isn't familiar. Seattle-Indianola-Suquamish was the Illahee's regular beat, so I'm going with Port Ludlow.
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Post by FNS on Sept 21, 2013 15:25:40 GMT -8
Let's see... it's somewhere off the beaten path. Somewhere not served by WSF anymore... The Nisqually did some service at Port Ludlow; also a little up in the islands, but the dock configuration isn't familiar. Seattle-Indianola-Suquamish was the Illahee's regular beat, so I'm going with Port Ludlow. We have a correct answer!
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Post by FNS on Jan 16, 2014 13:09:12 GMT -8
From a vintage postcard: Steel Electric days on San Francisco Bay. Notice how nice those stanchions look holding up the original midships shelter, to be enclosed here on Puget Sound. Just wondering how many of those seagulls would follow these ferries up the coast to our waterways?
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Post by FNS on Jan 30, 2014 8:44:41 GMT -8
I was looking through the Wiki site and found a PDF showing the original designs of the MENDOCINO, STOCKTON, and FRESNO. Here they are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Enetaipdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/79000469.pdfpdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Photos/79000469.pdfThese were the designed arrangements of the Hurricane and Saloon decks. farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/12219062186_1d06224d91_o.jpgThese were the designed arrangements of the Main Deck and Inboard Profile. farm6.staticflickr.com/5488/12218836914_455fe9471e_o.jpgPilot House and officers quarters at the San Francisco End. There were three windows and one door on one side and two windows and two doors on the other side of the quarters housing. Directly behind the PH were two cabins for the Officers. They had two windows each and a door. The Captain had a full width cabin with four windows and a door. Pilot House and officers quarters at the Alameda and Marin counties End. There were two windows on one side and one window and two doors on the other side of the quarters housing. Directly behind the PH was the Assistant Engineer's cabin. It was full width with a window on one side and a window and a door on the other side. The Chief Engineer had a full width cabin with four windows and a door. This is the Saloon Deck. This end had the Womens Saloon, the Main Saloon, and the heads. The midships area of the Saloon Deck. There were four ways to descend to the Main Deck. This end of the Saloon Deck had a locker room for the oilers, a locker room for the deckhands, the Dining Room, and the Smoking Room. Hope you enjoy looking at these historic drawings!
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Post by FNS on Mar 13, 2014 22:49:25 GMT -8
Yesteryear of Steel Electric action at Edmonds: Photo of an historic image mounted on a wall in a restaurant located at downtown Edmonds.
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