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Post by chokai on Aug 13, 2013 23:40:38 GMT -8
There are several articles out noting the changes in performance with the Salish with ballast. The most thorough article is from the Everett Herald, and most others seem to be sourced from it. www.heraldnet.com/article/20130812/NEWS01/708129961There are a few anecdotal observations she seems to vibrate less and handle better. Notably there is a potential reduction in fuel consumption by 12 gallons per hour in June on the Salish. It's to early to say for sure that it's not an anomoly and I'd love to understand the hydrodynamics behind it better, but if it proves to be the case with a 16 hour operating day 320 days a year (few weeks for maintenance etc) at the $3.30 or so they paid last year for fuel ballasting the boats would pay for itself in well less than a year netting a savings of $200K against a cost of $109K.
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Post by SolDuc on Sept 13, 2013 22:52:07 GMT -8
The idontleen Salish arriving at PT: MV Salish arriving at Slip 1, Port Townsend - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Now that I've finally learn how to do proper sunstars (answer is setting your aperture to anywhere between f/16-f/22), I can show you this shot of the Sun deck and the Kenny: Sun Deck, MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr The Nameplate is back onboard!! Nameplate, MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Talking about nameplates and sunstars: Sun Deck, MV Salish - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr About halfway through the crossing, we encountered pea soup fog which required slowing down to about 7kn, putting a deckhand on watch on the car deck and blowing a single blast of the horn every minute or so. Here is the Salish travelling in the fog: MV Salish en-route to Keystone - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr But in Fact, the Salish's arrival at Keystone got kind of moved 300m east. If the Salish had continued on her path, she would've ended up on the beach but that didn't happen and we made it safely to the terminal finishing with a long and two shorts from the Horn! MV Salish en-route to Keystone - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Here is the Salish at Coupeville in the fog: MV Salish at Coupeville - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr
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Post by FNS on Mar 9, 2014 20:41:02 GMT -8
Did my annual visit to the woodshed and the three-day State 3A and 4A High School Basketball Championships this past week. After watching a game of interest Friday, I went out to Point Defiance and had a nice burger at a famous restaurant. For dessert, a round trip voyage to Tahlequah aboard the MV SALISH was on my menu. So, here are some most recent photos of the good ferry SALISH: MV SALISH at Point Defiance at dusk. A night time look into an observatory. Inside the observatory looking at the lighted shores of Tacoma. There's something magical when you ride a Washington state ferry at night. Shore lights, flashing buoys, lighthouses, car lights, lighted airplanes, communication towers, et al, all come to life after sunset. From the "Star" Deck aboard the SALISH. Stars come to life after sunset as well. Tacoma has some bright lights! Point Defiance is getting closer by the second. However, the SALISH runs at Slo-Mo speeds on this run to enable her riders a few minutes of a nice voyage. Subbing for the CHETZEMOKA on this run, she normally runs faster than this up on her usual run between Keystone Harbor at Coupeville and Port Townsend. This reminds us she's a mode of transportation to Port Townsend. Thanks for another good ride, SALISH!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 10, 2014 7:37:49 GMT -8
However, the SALISH runs at Slo-Mo speeds on this run to enable her riders a few minutes of a nice voyage. ...and it also helps to prevent fires in the funnel. ps: I appreciated the photo essay of your trip. - and I got the reference to the "wood shed" after thinking about Tacoma for a few moments - nice one.
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Post by FNS on Mar 10, 2014 12:40:24 GMT -8
However, the SALISH runs at Slo-Mo speeds on this run to enable her riders a few minutes of a nice voyage. ...and it also helps to prevent fires in the funnel. ps: I appreciated the photo essay of your trip. - and I got the reference to the "wood shed" after thinking about Tacoma for a few moments - nice one. I get the term "woodshed" from "Mr. Good Golly Miss Molly". The Sonics played in the woodshed for a year or two while the Seattle Center Coliseum was being renovated.
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Post by SolDuc on May 11, 2014 18:37:22 GMT -8
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Post by Mike C on Jun 16, 2014 15:58:33 GMT -8
This is pretty cool. A Water Monitoring Sensor has been installed on the lower hull of the Salish, so scientists can study how water flows in Admiralty Inlet.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 16, 2014 17:17:23 GMT -8
This is pretty cool. A Water Monitoring Sensor has been installed on the lower hull of the Salish, so scientists can study how water flows in Admiralty Inlet. Which is interesting, because we've always been told that depth sounders won't work on our boats because of the turbulence from the forward props. Wonder how they've circumvented that problem?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 21:04:52 GMT -8
This is pretty cool. A Water Monitoring Sensor has been installed on the lower hull of the Salish, so scientists can study how water flows in Admiralty Inlet. Which is interesting, because we've always been told that depth sounders won't work on our boats because of the turbulence from the forward props. Wonder how they've circumvented that problem? Wasn't something similar done on the Alberni last year?
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Post by chokai on Jun 17, 2014 12:04:20 GMT -8
Perhaps this isn't exactly your regular depth sounder? Since generally a depth sounder is just going to return the strongest signal which is usually the bottom but perhaps in the ferries case I guess it could also be the disturbance from the forward prop.... It sounds like they are looking at water mixing and the thermocline, perhaps this one is much more technically advanced and sensitive and can differentiate.
I really hope they put a weather station on Salish or Kennewick. Ever since Klickitat went out of service that has been lacking. I do a lot of sailing and love the ferry weather stations, they allow me to actually know what the wind is doing mid-sound which can be vastly different than the shores. West Point is pretty good but there can be huge differences in the wind at E/K (convergence zone) or down by Vashon.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 16, 2014 14:21:30 GMT -8
Forum member "FNS" is right.
He's right when he told us many times that the KdT trio of ferries are fun to ride, especially on a nice-weather day.
I rode Salish 3 times today, and I'll probably do another 2 trips later today. I'm getting my KdT immersion in an intensive way, while on vacation.
Aside from the very real and practical challenges/problems with using the KdT ferries in the WSF system (limited use on limited runs, tough to load, wasted bike-rack deck, former lean problem, over-engined, engine gunk build-up on a short run, slow service-speed, narrow side-tunnel, etc), they are fun to ride. Really fun.
In the context of just having a fun ride, regardless of the above real issues, those ferries are fun to ride, with lots of places to enjoy the passing scenery. 4 different decks to access. Easy access between decks. Nice shelter area at either end. Shady spots near the pickle-fork doors, for shade-lovers like me. A connecting area between the pickle forks (similar to on E-State, Klahowya, Tillikum).
For enjoying the sunny Salish Sea scenery, a KdT gives you lots of options to soak it all in.
FNS was right.
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Post by chokai on Jul 16, 2014 15:31:32 GMT -8
I couldn't agree more. I rode Salish for the first time in sunny weather this past weekend myself while grabbing a little sailboat we bought on the peninsula. Previously to this I had only ridden the KdTs in typical PNW winter weather. In those situations as a local the out door decks mean little to nothing other than maybe a quick look around. But man indeed, they are fantastic sunny day boats (and even not bad rainy day boats either). This makes them in many ways the perfect boat for the run they are on in terms of "customer experience" given the amount of tourists up there. Technical and engineering stuff, whole other topic.
This was also the first time I'd ridden since the ballasting was done and I do think Salish is running smoother, possibly from the prop being deeper in the water. I'm curious if that might also translate to being able to go a little faster.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 16, 2014 21:03:08 GMT -8
Maybe it's just because I rode Klahowya twice yesterday, but the Salish's staircases seemed very nicely laid-out, just the right size and angle, and lots of room to navigate up & down.
That's one of the small things that impressed me with Salish today.
On the negative side, Salish sure takes long to load, especially when there are large RVs or tractor-trailers.
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ps: I am posting this while my camera does a 30-second HDR shot of the KdT twins, at Port Townsend. - 30-second HDR means 90 seconds of shutter time, plus equal amount of processing time.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 17, 2014 5:01:11 GMT -8
Maybe it's just because I rode Klahowya twice yesterday, but the Salish's staircases seemed very nicely laid-out, just the right size and angle, and lots of room to navigate up & down. That's one of the handicaps of continuing to operate older ferries--the construction standards have changed over the years and there are places on the boat that it's VERY evident, like stairwells.* Studies showed that, in the event of an emergency, evacuation in a wider stairwell--even single-file--takes much less time than a narrow one. WSF didn't start going with the wide stairwells until the Jumbo Mark-II class were built, so the narrow stairs will be with us for a while, but they will disappear. *And the fact that the cabin on the Evergreen State had no internal fire bulkhead halfway down the length.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 23, 2014 18:56:21 GMT -8
Two of the Kwa-di Triplets seen from the beach at Keystone. - Salish on the left, headed to Port Townsend. Kennewick on the right, headed for Keystone.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 25, 2014 15:52:40 GMT -8
Salish views from July 16-17, 2014 at/near Port Townsend: Evening view towards Fort Worden 8:30pm view, just before Salish (on the left) starts her final round-trip of the weekday 8:45pm and underway from Port Townsend Conjoined Kwa-di Tabils - Salish on the right
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 25, 2014 22:44:13 GMT -8
A "From the bow" video of a July 16, 2014 morning trip on Salish, from Keystone to Port Townsend.
....passing Kennewick along the way.
The pleasure boat people are a bit crazy in Admiralty Inlet
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 26, 2014 15:43:11 GMT -8
A Salish night-time arrival at Port Townsend, seen by me on July 16, 2014. A lovely ship in the evening. - 9:45pm When you see a ship straight-on at night, the 2 mast lights line-up, one under the other, and you can see both red & green side lights. (that's what I learned from reading about the Empress of Ireland / Storstad collision) With Kennewick in the near berth
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 26, 2014 17:33:25 GMT -8
Kennewick and Salish are both featured in this video shot by me from Keystone Harbor. - morning of July 16, 2014
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 26, 2014 23:25:42 GMT -8
Salish is the dusk star of this video, shot from my Port Townsend motel. - dusk at July 16, 2014
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jul 27, 2014 21:27:32 GMT -8
The Salish education continues with this video, shot from behind the big store that is next to Port Townsend's ferry dock.
This shows Salish departing in the light of the late day sun.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 8, 2014 7:09:55 GMT -8
Salish & Kennewick scenes, shot from a few different locations during the day in Port Townsend.
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Post by SolDuc on Sept 1, 2014 12:02:02 GMT -8
Looking around old videos, I found a recording of the Salish's horn back a year ago when we got trapped into fog going to Keystone. Here it is:
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Oct 2, 2014 17:12:30 GMT -8
The Salish is out for necessary repairs leaving the Kennewick on the Port Townsend-Keystone route alone.
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Oct 4, 2014 16:25:13 GMT -8
Anyone know what is wrong with the Salish? It has been out of service for 2 days.
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