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Post by SolDuc on Jun 10, 2014 15:55:31 GMT -8
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Post by hergfest on Aug 28, 2014 11:12:05 GMT -8
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 30, 2014 5:05:36 GMT -8
If I were a gambling man I would've lost a lot of money on this one... I'm sure the folks at Losvar (who still don't remember that the dock was there first) are thrilled.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 19, 2015 10:18:45 GMT -8
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Post by hergfest on Jul 2, 2015 22:29:40 GMT -8
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 3, 2015 9:02:47 GMT -8
Assuming, of course, the Tokitae goes to Mukilteo. With Senator Haugen out of the mix, that may not be the case. (I thought it was going to Bremerton.) I don't recall ever seeing the boats "run wild," but I wasn't that much of a student of the game back then. I do, however, recall three-boat service at Mukilteo... usually a Steel-E, the Kulshan, and a random Baltimore. If things were really ugly, #3 would be the Vashon. Huh... just hit me, that entire combination is gone now. *sigh* A recent article at the Kitsap Sun as I recall, said that the Tokitae was destined for the Bremerton run, so I don't see it going to Mukilteo/Clinton anytime soon. Of course, saying that is like citing the maintenance schedule and expecting that to hold true a month or two out. We all know to take that with a fine grain of salt! Just re-spotted this post. So much for the Kitsap Sun's article.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jul 3, 2015 20:44:47 GMT -8
Took a trip on the Clinton route Tuesday and got lots of pics that I thought I'd share. VERY PHOTO HEAVYAt Mukilteo. The Kittitas approaches at the Dock The Kittitas at the Mukilteo Terminal Kittitas sailing for Clinton The Mukilteo Dock Tokitae at Mukilteo Tokitae (Left) and Kittitas (Right) off Mukilteo Close-up of the Kittitas Approaching Slip 2, Clinton Dock Kittitas Car Deck Clinton Waiting Room Clinton Slip 2 Clinton Slip 1 Many more pics on my Flickr Page
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:16:50 GMT -8
Some WSF terminal photos, from October 26 & 27, 2010: Clinton: - the berth #2? bridge & structure. I think this is the main berth. [img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ebR5Vq-1mKg/TNStsMTJJbI/AAAAAAAAFfk/jcqwnAHrs_0/s0/IMG_1353.JPG" Berth 2 (or SLIP 2) is never the main Berth for WSDOT unless a vessel is in Berth (or Slip) 1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:17:48 GMT -8
i actually added those last few words.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 7:57:08 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 8:06:06 GMT -8
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Post by chokai on Oct 28, 2015 12:39:35 GMT -8
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Post by FNS on Oct 30, 2015 15:24:08 GMT -8
Here's a news story from the South Whidbey Record on a possible addition of foot passenger planks at the Columbia Beach (Clinton) ferry terminal: by JUSTIN BURNETT, South Whidbey Record Editor Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00AM updated at 8:22AM
Overhead passenger loading at the Clinton ferry terminal isn’t an impossible dream, Washington’s District 10 senator said this week.
It’s a matter of galvanizing the community behind the proposal and convincing the state Department of Transportation, Ferries Division, to endorse the idea, said Sen. Barbara Bailey, R-Oak Harbor, in an interview with The Record Thursday.
“It’s a matter of everyone coming together ...The rest of this story can be read at: www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/news/334828141.html
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 30, 2015 17:01:40 GMT -8
Here's a news story from the South Whidbey Record on a possible addition of foot passenger planks at the Columbia Beach (Clinton) ferry terminal: by JUSTIN BURNETT, South Whidbey Record Editor Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00AM updated at 8:22AM
Overhead passenger loading at the Clinton ferry terminal isn’t an impossible dream, Washington’s District 10 senator said this week.
It’s a matter of galvanizing the community behind the proposal and convincing the state Department of Transportation, Ferries Division, to endorse the idea, said Sen. Barbara Bailey, R-Oak Harbor, in an interview with The Record Thursday.
“It’s a matter of everyone coming together ...The rest of this story can be read at: www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/news/334828141.htmlIt makes a lot of sense to have overhead passenger loading at Clinton. With overhead loading coming to Mukilteo when their new terminal gets built, Clinton really should get it, too. that would pave the way for them to eventually get 2 Olympic Class vessels and maintain the schedule. Of course, I am projecting a fair bit out into the future. I would not expect Mukilteo to get a 2nd Olympic until the next phase of the new-build program, whenever that happens.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 30, 2015 17:04:48 GMT -8
Here's a news story from the South Whidbey Record on a possible addition of foot passenger planks at the Columbia Beach (Clinton) ferry terminal: by JUSTIN BURNETT, South Whidbey Record Editor Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00AM updated at 8:22AM
Overhead passenger loading at the Clinton ferry terminal isn’t an impossible dream, Washington’s District 10 senator said this week.
It’s a matter of galvanizing the community behind the proposal and convincing the state Department of Transportation, Ferries Division, to endorse the idea, said Sen. Barbara Bailey, R-Oak Harbor, in an interview with The Record Thursday.
“It’s a matter of everyone coming together ...The rest of this story can be read at: www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/news/334828141.htmlIt makes a lot of sense to have overhead passenger loading at Clinton. With overhead loading coming to Mukilteo when their new terminal gets built, Clinton really should get it, too. that would pave the way for them to eventually get 2 Olympic Class vessels and maintain the schedule. Of course, I am projecting a fair bit out into the future. I would not expect Mukilteo to get a 2nd Olympic until the next phase of the new-build program, whenever that happens. I can attest from a working standpoint, it is an absolute nuisance to have overhead loading at only one end of the run. People are always standing around on the pickleforks on the island end, wanting to know how they are supposed to get off the boat.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 15, 2016 11:15:14 GMT -8
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Post by FNS on Feb 10, 2016 15:02:05 GMT -8
Here's an enlargement of a photo rendering of the new ferry terminal at Mukilteo as seen on the "SPOTLIGHT" in WSF's website today: Say, that's a Super in the dock. Are we going to see the "galley end" touching Columbia Beach again in the future? We'll see! The RHODODENDRON's galley end touched CB virtually her entire career there. The ILLAHEE's did too, until she was rotated in 1979 with her galley end touching Mukilteo from then on.
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Post by chokai on Feb 20, 2017 9:01:23 GMT -8
The "final" design documents for the terminal have been posted including a more detailed construction schedule. Construction would start this August on the dock structures and be completed around the end of 2019. As to the length of time it appears they are building all offshore facilities first before doing anything onshore, so there would be significant pauses to construction at points for the salmon. There are no appreciable changes to the design itself (that I noted) other than some more detail on specific traffic improvements outside the immediate terminal. www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/ferries/mukilteoterminal/multimodal/
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Post by Kahloke on Feb 20, 2017 9:54:42 GMT -8
The "final" design documents for the terminal have been posted including a more detailed construction schedule. Construction would start this August on the dock structures and be completed around the end of 2019. As to the length of time it appears they are building all offshore facilities first before doing anything onshore, so there would be significant pauses to construction at points for the salmon. There are no appreciable changes to the design itself (that I noted) other than some more detail on specific traffic improvements outside the immediate terminal. www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/ferries/mukilteoterminal/multimodal/Thanks for posting. This is almost as exciting as getting a new ferry. It's been a long time since we've seen a new terminal being built. Sure, this is a relocation, but it's still new.
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 13, 2017 19:26:09 GMT -8
Looks like WSF will be adjusting the afternoon schedule for Mukilteo and Clinton this summer, recognizing that it's nearly impossible to keep on-time performance with a larger ferry, Tokitae, on a schedule that was designed for 2 smaller vessels (the Issaquah's). The new terminal at Mukilteo will hopefully help the situation. In the meantime, I guess schedule adjustments will be the tactic used to help get the boats back on a schedule. (see link) www.wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2017/03/01/2017_Mukilteo_Clinton_Proposed_Schedule.pdf
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Post by Sammy Sam Samish on Mar 13, 2017 19:54:47 GMT -8
Looks like WSF will be adjusting the afternoon schedule for Mukilteo and Clinton this summer, recognizing that it's nearly impossible to keep on-time performance with a larger ferry, Tokitae, on a schedule that was designed for 2 smaller vessels (the Issaquah's). The new terminal at Mukilteo will hopefully help the situation. In the meantime, I guess schedule adjustments will be the tactic used to help get the boats back on a schedule. (see link) www.wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2017/03/01/2017_Mukilteo_Clinton_Proposed_Schedule.pdf I have read the adjustments, and as someone who has lived near Mukilteo for all my life, I can say that these will help the problem, but they won't solve it. There's only three Tokitae sailings where the dwell time is actually increased, all the other adjusted sailings are just pushed back, with the same 15 minute dwell time. I would like to see a complete schedule re-do, with at least a 15-20 minute dwell time, especially once the Suquamish and Tokitae are running together. However, I am very glad that they noticed a problem and are fixing it.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Mar 13, 2017 20:05:57 GMT -8
Looks like WSF will be adjusting the afternoon schedule for Mukilteo and Clinton this summer, recognizing that it's nearly impossible to keep on-time performance with a larger ferry, Tokitae, on a schedule that was designed for 2 smaller vessels (the Issaquah's). The new terminal at Mukilteo will hopefully help the situation. In the meantime, I guess schedule adjustments will be the tactic used to help get the boats back on a schedule. (see link) www.wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2017/03/01/2017_Mukilteo_Clinton_Proposed_Schedule.pdf I have read the adjustments, and as someone who has lived near Mukilteo for all my life, I can say that these will help the problem, but they won't solve it. There's only three Tokitae sailings where the dwell time is actually increased, all the other adjusted sailings are just pushed back, with the same 15 minute dwell time. I would like to see a complete schedule re-do, with at least a 15-20 minute dwell time, especially once the Suquamish and Tokitae are running together. However, I am very glad that they noticed a problem and are fixing it. The Suquamish will only run with the Tokitae in the summer so it may not be a problem entirely solved in the late-spring (May, Memorial Day) and early-fall.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 14, 2017 14:47:50 GMT -8
Looks like WSF will be adjusting the afternoon schedule for Mukilteo and Clinton this summer, recognizing that it's nearly impossible to keep on-time performance with a larger ferry, Tokitae, on a schedule that was designed for 2 smaller vessels (the Issaquah's). The new terminal at Mukilteo will hopefully help the situation. In the meantime, I guess schedule adjustments will be the tactic used to help get the boats back on a schedule. (see link) www.wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2017/03/01/2017_Mukilteo_Clinton_Proposed_Schedule.pdf I have read the adjustments, and as someone who has lived near Mukilteo for all my life, I can say that these will help the problem, but they won't solve it. There's only three Tokitae sailings where the dwell time is actually increased, all the other adjusted sailings are just pushed back, with the same 15 minute dwell time. I would like to see a complete schedule re-do, with at least a 15-20 minute dwell time, especially once the Suquamish and Tokitae are running together. However, I am very glad that they noticed a problem and are fixing it. Current dwell time is 15 minutes already. Changing the dwell time from 15 to 20 minutes will result in losing ten minutes per round trip. Every six hours, that's a round trip lost. 5x144=720; 6x124=744. Net score: LOSS of 24 cars EACH DIRECTION every six hours, assuming full boats. Your proposition's math doesn't pan out.
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Post by Sammy Sam Samish on Mar 15, 2017 15:06:55 GMT -8
I have read the adjustments, and as someone who has lived near Mukilteo for all my life, I can say that these will help the problem, but they won't solve it. There's only three Tokitae sailings where the dwell time is actually increased, all the other adjusted sailings are just pushed back, with the same 15 minute dwell time. I would like to see a complete schedule re-do, with at least a 15-20 minute dwell time, especially once the Suquamish and Tokitae are running together. However, I am very glad that they noticed a problem and are fixing it. Current dwell time is 15 minutes already. Changing the dwell time from 15 to 20 minutes will result in losing ten minutes per round trip. Every six hours, that's a round trip lost. 5x144=720; 6x124=744. Net score: LOSS of 24 cars EACH DIRECTION every six hours, assuming full boats. Your proposition's math doesn't pan out. Why don't they just make the run 10 minutes long, and have 20 minute dwell times? The Tokitae rarely breaks 14 knots, and she can do 17-18. This would solve the schedule issue, and there really wouldn't be a need to open the sun deck (not that I'm complaining about an open sun deck...).
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Mar 15, 2017 15:37:32 GMT -8
Why don't they just make the run 10 minutes long, and have 20 minute dwell times? The Tokitae rarely breaks 14 knots, and she can do 17-18. This would solve the schedule issue, and there really wouldn't be a need to open the sun deck (not that I'm complaining about an open sun deck...). Because increased speed means increased fuel consumption, and increased wear&tear, which ultimately translates into higher operating costs. Running a ship at full speed is incredibly inefficient. You also have to take into account the increased time it would take the vessel to accelerate and decelerate. This speed increase would be incredibly costly and, over a 2NM route, it would barely make any difference in the crossing time.
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