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Post by Barnacle on Mar 15, 2017 15:40:58 GMT -8
Current dwell time is 15 minutes already. Changing the dwell time from 15 to 20 minutes will result in losing ten minutes per round trip. Every six hours, that's a round trip lost. 5x144=720; 6x124=744. Net score: LOSS of 24 cars EACH DIRECTION every six hours, assuming full boats. Your proposition's math doesn't pan out.  Why don't they just make the run 10 minutes long, and have 20 minute dwell times? The Tokitae rarely breaks 14 knots, and she can do 17-18. This would solve the schedule issue, and there really wouldn't be a need to open the sun deck (not that I'm complaining about an open sun deck...). Because, with the ramp-up/ramp-down speeds for safe departure and arrival, full throttle would only gain about two minutes. I'm not sneezing at an extra two minutes, mind you, but a ten-minute crossing would require somewhere north of 20 knots. |
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Post by chokai on Feb 7, 2018 16:40:58 GMT -8
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Post by chokai on Aug 9, 2018 10:04:22 GMT -8
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Post by compdude787 on Dec 6, 2018 18:35:05 GMT -8
Here's a video I just took of a drive on SR 525 down Whidbey Island and across the Mukilteo-Clinton ferry. Footage of the ferry route (sped up 4x) starts at around 8 minutes into the video. Enjoy!
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Post by Edmondsguy on Mar 9, 2019 15:48:26 GMT -8
From WA State Ferries: Due to law enforcement activity at the Clinton terminal, service has been suspended on the Mukilteo/Clinton route until further notice. Updates will be provided as conditions change.
This alert was sent on 03/9/2019 at 3:33PM
I talked with my Brother working there and was told all to evacuate the lot due to a bomb threat on the Clinton side.
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Post by avgeekjoe on Sept 30, 2020 17:45:17 GMT -8
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 23, 2020 21:46:47 GMT -8
Per today's PR, looks like WSF is poised to open the Mukilteo Ferry Terminal at its new location in the evening on Tuesday December 29th. As with this move, service on the route itself will be suspended from end of service on Monday December 28th through the 5:35pm sailing from Clinton and the first sailing from the new terminal is scheduled to be onboard the Suquamish at 6:10pm. Cars will be allowed to line up earlier once they get ticketing systems back up at Mukilteo. They do say that no emergency-related non-scheduled sailings will be available at all from 12am until the 5:35pm sailing on that Tuesday, so I hope there is some coordination there to work around that. Definitely looking forward to this opening. It's also to my knowledge that the overhead walkway at the terminal will not be open at open initially, so that'll be an interesting work-around as well.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 24, 2020 6:04:38 GMT -8
Per today's PR, looks like WSF is poised to open the Mukilteo Ferry Terminal at its new location in the evening on Tuesday December 29th. As with this move, service on the route itself will be suspended from end of service on Monday December 28th through the 5:35pm sailing from Clinton and the first sailing from the new terminal is scheduled to be onboard the Suquamish at 6:10pm. Cars will be allowed to line up earlier once they get ticketing systems back up at Mukilteo. They do say that no emergency-related non-scheduled sailings will be available at all from 12am until the 5:35pm sailing on that Tuesday, so I hope there is some coordination there to work around that. Definitely looking forward to this opening. It's also to my knowledge that the overhead walkway at the terminal will not be open at open initially, so that'll be an interesting work-around as well.
Read more here: This is exciting! When is the last time we got a brand new terminal? And, more than that, when was the last time a ferry terminal was relocated to a different location? It may well have been Port Townsend back in 1982 when they abandoned the Quincy Street location for what is now the current terminal. I will have to make it a point to go see the new Mukilteo terminal sometime in the new year. Given where we are with COVID right now, I doubt I will be there for the opening. |
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Post by FNS on Nov 26, 2020 7:52:36 GMT -8
What I get from the DOT news is that even emergency transport is not possible during the closure. They also mentioned, besides Deception Pass, an alternate route to take is from Edmonds to Kingston and Port Townsend to Keystone (how can that be possible when only one vessel is in service at Keystone at this time?).
A few good things to do that day:
Have two vessels on the Port Townsend to Keystone run. Perhaps all three KDT ferries.
Run trips between Edmonds and Columbia Beach. It took 55 minutes for a Steel Electric to do this run, 40 minutes for an Issaquah Class. Could be a little quicker for a new 144 car ferry.
Charter specially equipped copters for placement on high school athletic fields at Oak Harbor, Coupeville, and South Whidbey for emergency air lift services.
All until the new gateway to Whidbey Island is open.
These are what I would do on the 29th of December.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 26, 2020 17:13:52 GMT -8
What I get from the DOT news is that even emergency transport is not possible during the closure. They also mentioned, besides Deception Pass, an alternate route to take is from Edmonds to Kingston and Port Townsend to Keystone (how can that be possible when only one vessel is in service at Keystone at this time?).
A few good things to do that day:
Have two vessels on the Port Townsend to Keystone run. Perhaps all three KDT ferries.
Run trips between Edmonds and Columbia Beach. It took 55 minutes for a Steel Electric to do this run, 40 minutes for an Issaquah Class. Could be a little quicker for a new 144 car ferry.
Charter specially equipped copters for placement on high school athletic fields at Oak Harbor, Coupeville, and South Whidbey for emergency air lift services.
All until the new gateway to Whidbey Island is open.
These are what I would do on the 29th of December.
1. Moving all three KDT up Port Townsend to Keystone and running them for a day I don’t think that cost effective. 2. I think Edmonds to Clinton would have probably was best option to keep the Whitby Island connect to mainland. 3. I don’t think that is cost effective. I think State is trying to reduce costs and reduce unnecessary travel because COVID 19. |
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Post by Barnacle on Dec 5, 2020 18:21:24 GMT -8
What I get from the DOT news is that even emergency transport is not possible during the closure. They also mentioned, besides Deception Pass, an alternate route to take is from Edmonds to Kingston and Port Townsend to Keystone (how can that be possible when only one vessel is in service at Keystone at this time?).
A few good things to do that day:
Have two vessels on the Port Townsend to Keystone run. Perhaps all three KDT ferries.
Run trips between Edmonds and Columbia Beach. It took 55 minutes for a Steel Electric to do this run, 40 minutes for an Issaquah Class. Could be a little quicker for a new 144 car ferry.
Charter specially equipped copters for placement on high school athletic fields at Oak Harbor, Coupeville, and South Whidbey for emergency air lift services.
All until the new gateway to Whidbey Island is open.
These are what I would do on the 29th of December.
I'd think that airlift services are already available at strategic points along the island. I'd also think Vashon Island, already down a boat, would be loathe to give up their southern connection--even for a day. I admit I'm a little surprised that there won't be service between Clinton and Edmonds, but for the record, the Issaquahs I've run can actually outpace the Olympics I've run. Your mileage may vary. |
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Post by FNS on Dec 28, 2020 17:09:49 GMT -8
Today is slated to be the last day for the current ferry dock at Mukilteo. Even though this shows a (C), I just wanted to place this as a historical snapshot of the final day.
This is where you boarded a variety of ferries that have served the 2.6 mile crossing to Columbia Beach through the years: OLYMPIC, CHETZEMOKA, RHODODENDRON, KULSHAN, KITSAP, BAINBRIDGE, LESCHI, KEHLOKEN, VASHON, SKANSONIA, ILLAHEE, KLICKITAT, NISQUALLY, QUINAULT, HIYU, KENNEWICK, I-Class, OLY-Class.
Early tomorrow evening is the opening of the new terminal.
Later on, the foot passenger plank opens. Hope they include toidy facilities in the operating room. Not much time for breaks for the plank operator. After one ferry leaves, the next one arrives in about 15 minutes. This may be the most busiest plank in use by WSF when it's in use.
Thanks for the memories, current dock.
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Post by Neil on Dec 28, 2020 22:44:32 GMT -8
FNS: Is this route actually only 2.6 miles? That makes it shorter than BC Ferries' Bowen run, which is normally done in about 18 minutes, at an 11 knot clip. WSF says the travel time is 20 minutes, but I'm thinking that if the vessels travel at twelve to fourteen knots, the real transit might be fourteen or so minutes. Tokitae, for instance, is given a service speed of seventeen knots... I imagine they're running her much slower?
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Post by FNS on Dec 28, 2020 23:52:26 GMT -8
FNS: Is this route actually only 2.6 miles? That makes it shorter than BC Ferries' Bowen run, which is normally done in about 18 minutes, at an 11 knot clip. WSF says the travel time is 20 minutes, but I'm thinking that if the vessels travel at twelve to fourteen knots, the real transit might be fourteen or so minutes. Tokitae, for instance, is given a service speed of seventeen knots... I imagine they're running her much slower? I get the 2.6 mile figure from Page 65 of Harre Demoro's book The Evergreen Fleet, one of several ferry books I have in my collection.
I timed a crossing aboard a Steel Electric a couple of times. They were rated at 12 knots. 14 minutes from dock to dock. South slip and Mukilteo. A few more minutes to the north slip.
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 31, 2020 10:54:19 GMT -8
Someone did a drone aerial flyby of the new Mukilteo terminal 2 days before it opened. It appears the overhead walkway is coming later. The cab with the passenger plank is sitting down at water level next to the wingwall.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 31, 2020 12:31:40 GMT -8
Stupid question, why is overhead walkway coming in later than terminal opening?
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 31, 2020 12:52:21 GMT -8
Stupid question, why is overhead walkway coming in later than terminal opening? Short answer: because it's not ready yet. It doesn't really change how Mukilteo operates. The old terminal didn't have overhead loading, so for the time being, walk-ons will still use the car deck to board and disembark. |
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Post by sounder on Dec 31, 2020 18:00:42 GMT -8
Stupid question, why is overhead walkway coming in later than terminal opening? Short answer: because it's not ready yet. It doesn't really change how Mukilteo operates. The old terminal didn't have overhead loading, so for the time being, walk-ons will still use the car deck to board and disembark. Here is another stupid question Looking at some of those aerial drone views of that new Mukilteo terminal, it appears that a second slip could be added on the West end of the terminal building along with over head passenger loading access to both slips. Is a second slip planned in the future? |
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 31, 2020 20:20:26 GMT -8
Short answer: because it's not ready yet. It doesn't really change how Mukilteo operates. The old terminal didn't have overhead loading, so for the time being, walk-ons will still use the car deck to board and disembark. Here is another stupid question Looking at some of those aerial drone views of that new Mukilteo terminal, it appears that a second slip could be added on the West end of the terminal building along with over head passenger loading access to both slips. Is a second slip planned in the future? Not a stupid question. Yes, this terminal is designed to eventually have 2 slips. As you noted, you can see where the second slip will be, and the cab on the overhead passenger walkway appears to be designed to accommodate passenger planks on both sides. |
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jan 1, 2021 0:40:45 GMT -8
Stupid question, why is overhead walkway coming in later than terminal opening? Short answer: because it's not ready yet. It doesn't really change how Mukilteo operates. The old terminal didn't have overhead loading, so for the time being, walk-ons will still use the car deck to board and disembark. I through that it was key part of project and it seems like it could have been opened at the same time. |
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 1, 2021 14:54:36 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jan 1, 2021 17:38:18 GMT -8
They did a nice job on that terminal. What really strikes me is the very modest size of the structure that raises and lowers the trestle. (Don't know my engineering terms) I compare that to the massive tower things serving the little 27 car Kahloke on the Hornby route... I suspect the Mukilteo structure was a fair bit less expensive, serving much larger vessels.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 1, 2021 19:40:03 GMT -8
They did a nice job on that terminal. What really strikes me is the very modest size of the structure that raises and lowers the trestle. (Don't know my engineering terms) I compare that to the massive tower things serving the little 27 car Kahloke on the Hornby route... I suspect the Mukilteo structure was a fair bit less expensive, serving much larger vessels. That style of ramp structure (not sure the technical term for it) is what WSF has gone with for the newer slips. Port Townsend Slip 1 has this, and I think there's a slip at Eagle Harbor with this type. As slips get replaced, I imagine this will be what they use. It's definitely far less imposing than the towers you typically see. |
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Post by Mike C on Jan 4, 2021 16:55:02 GMT -8
Took a little road trip this morning and drove up to Mukilteo via Edmonds-Kingston, and grabbed some photos of the new terminal. It's really nice. Thanks for the photo-essay. Something that WSF has done very well (and BC seems to be lacking in, with the odd exception of Prince Rupert-Fairview) is the integration of different modes into a single terminal. Several of WSF's terminals are also served by a commuter rail station, intercity rail station, transit exchange, or occasionally all three. And not only that, the terminals themselves are often aesthetically pleasing structures with interesting architectural features. BC Ferries, by contrast, often constructs standalone facilities with space for a transit stop, but rarely more than that. Understanding that the context of Puget Sound is indeed different and that the terminals are situated in more urban areas, it would be nice to see BCFS do more transportation integration in their terminal builds that are located in-community (such as in Powell River, Campbell River, Nanaimo, etc). |
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 12, 2021 10:52:22 GMT -8
They did a nice job on that terminal. What really strikes me is the very modest size of the structure that raises and lowers the trestle. (Don't know my engineering terms) I compare that to the massive tower things serving the little 27 car Kahloke on the Hornby route... I suspect the Mukilteo structure was a fair bit less expensive, serving much larger vessels. My historical knowledge on the numerical details is a little fuzzy, but I have recollections of the cable-and-counterbalance at Shaw Island built around 2003 costing $7M vs. Sidney's hydraulic rams at about C$3M. And the hydraulics are a better design with infinite adjustment while under a full load. Though I do miss the red range lights for aligning the approach to the dock. |
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