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Post by Barnacle on Jan 20, 2012 5:17:37 GMT -8
International traffic has to go through Customs and cannot have access to any of the domestic traffic while waiting (or vice versa). This was the cause of the summer mid-afternoon scheduling problems for years... all four Anacortes-based boats would arrive at Anacortes within two hours of one another, which looks good on paper... except the first boat in would be the (full) international boat. Second boat in would arrive before Customs had checked enough traffic to close the gates on the compound, so they would get delayed... it would snowball.
The international boat can load traffic while another vessel is offloading, as they're not sealed off at that point. But the international boat has to be in the east slip.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 20, 2012 5:22:14 GMT -8
The Lopez Island towers have been there since at least 1986, and I don't know how new they were then. But they are not recycled--that dock was specially built the way it was because there's only a little mud and sand before they hit bedrock. Very expensive to build, apparently. Too bad--it's probably the best-built of the cable-and-counterbalance set-ups. Not that we're building those anymore...
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Post by FNS on Jan 20, 2012 22:04:49 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 29, 2012 12:54:37 GMT -8
A pic of Orcas I took in October, 1999, about a month after Elwha took out the old dock. This shows the construction of the current towers and wingwalls.  |
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Post by Kahloke on Apr 5, 2012 4:31:23 GMT -8
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Post by elwha on Apr 5, 2012 9:03:14 GMT -8
There must be a reason for Shaw Island to have such as small loading ramp. The width is minimal compared to what I have seen at Anacortes and Friday Harbor. To fit the smaller vessels that operate on the routes that stop at Shaw Island?
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Post by elwha on Apr 5, 2012 9:09:23 GMT -8
Doesn't seem like the towers are wood, even recycled. Looks like strong steel or other metal at work. Has to support the Super Ferries, too.
I have always thought Lopez Island needs a tie-up slip. The Lopez Island terminal has stopovers on many routes and sometimes vessels can cut the departures/arrivals pretty close with sometimes less than 2 minutes between departures and arrivals. People should think about that.
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Post by elwha on Apr 5, 2012 9:14:47 GMT -8
I wonder why they have THREE tie up slips. One is used regularly, one is used if the Hiyu wants to hit some San Juan Runs, but what about the other. This reminds me of Vashon Island, except more.  |
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Post by elwha on Apr 5, 2012 9:17:56 GMT -8
Look at the picture with the MV Vashon at the beginning of the tread and see the pilings and towers. Then look at the picture above this post with the Orcas Island towers. See the difference? Aaaah, innovation.
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 5, 2012 14:52:57 GMT -8
No, the same boats serve Shaw that serve the mainland. Shaw has a single-wide ramp, though the new one is considerably wider than the old span, which I would estimate at about ten feet. The only thing of any size that comes off Shaw is a logging truck (or the occasional cement rig).
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 5, 2012 14:55:33 GMT -8
Doesn't seem like the towers are wood, even recycled. Looks like strong steel or other metal at work. Has to support the Super Ferries, too. I have always thought Lopez Island needs a tie-up slip. The Lopez Island terminal has stopovers on many routes and sometimes vessels can cut the departures/arrivals pretty close with sometimes less than 2 minutes between departures and arrivals. People should think about that. The towers at Lopez are steel. I thought I'd answered that earlier, but if I did I can't find it anywhere. What would a tie-up slip have to do with tight scheduling? |
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 5, 2012 15:00:38 GMT -8
I wonder why they have THREE tie up slips. One is used regularly, one is used if the Hiyu wants to hit some San Juan Runs, but what about the other. This reminds me of Vashon Island, except more. Anacortes only has two tie-up slips. It also has two loading slips. |
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Post by sounder on Apr 5, 2012 23:14:23 GMT -8
I have been to Shaw a couple of times and have been curious if the bigger trucks ever have to back on the ferry for either Anacortes or inter-island?
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 6, 2012 3:52:28 GMT -8
#1 end almost always goes in at the island stops for the Anacortes-based boats; natch, #2 end goes in to Anacortes, so all Anacortes-bound traffic will probably drive straight on.
Can't vouch for the interisland, but from what I have seen in my time, it's easier to back off ANYWHERE rather than back on at Shaw.
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Post by elwha on Apr 9, 2012 15:31:58 GMT -8
Has the Sidney route ever served Orcas Island? It says on the lane assignment board: Sidney, lane .....
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Post by elwha on Apr 9, 2012 15:40:41 GMT -8
For example at Friday Harbor on the spring schedule the Evergreen State has to wait in the tie-up slip while the international boat unloads. It could at least reduce congestion, maybe. And then also for the sailings where only foot passengers are loaded so the boat could stop only briefly. But you do have a point, Barnacle.
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Post by elwha on Apr 9, 2012 15:42:39 GMT -8
From Google Earth it looks like there are three, but you are probably right.
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Post by Kahloke on Apr 9, 2012 18:01:07 GMT -8
Has the Sidney route ever served Orcas Island? It says on the lane assignment board: Sidney, lane ..... Oh, yes, and fairly recently, too. Up until the last few years, the morning vessel heading to Sidney would stop at both Orcas and Friday Harbor in the Spring and Fall. In the summer, the afternoon sailing to Sidney would stop at Orcas and Friday Harbor. And, up until the late 80's, maybe even early 90's, the return sailing from Sidney would sometimes stop at Orcas. |
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Post by Kahloke on Apr 9, 2012 18:02:41 GMT -8
From Google Earth it looks like there are three, but you are probably right. Not only is he probably right - he IS right. Barnacle should know, too. He works on ferries based out of Anacortes. |
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 10, 2012 10:15:16 GMT -8
For example at Friday Harbor on the spring schedule the Evergreen State has to wait in the tie-up slip while the international boat unloads. It could at least reduce congestion, maybe. And then also for the sailings where only foot passengers are loaded so the boat could stop only briefly. But you do have a point, Barnacle. International boat doesn't stop at Lopez, so that problem's gone.  The schedule at Lopez is pretty carefully orchestrated, I'll grant you that, but I can't think of any sailings where only foot traffic is loaded unless inter-island service is right in front of or behind said sailing. |
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Post by Barnacle on Apr 10, 2012 10:20:50 GMT -8
From Google Earth it looks like there are three, but you are probably right. You might be mistaking the overhead walkway for a third slip. The big clue there is the large quantity of dolphins obstructing it.  |
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Post by Kahloke on May 2, 2012 20:09:50 GMT -8
Anacortes Terminal, Friday, 27-Apr-2012: Yakima in Slip 2 loading vehicles for Lopez and Friday Harbor. Chelan is in Slip 1, unloading cars from Shaw & Orcas, and would become the late 18:25 sailing back to Shaw and Orcas.  |
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Post by elwha on Jun 3, 2012 12:04:04 GMT -8
I saw the same thing on the Orcas-Shaw-Lopez-Anacortes ferry on the Chelan. No. 2 end went in at Anacortes and no. 1 end in at Shaw. At Orcas the no. 1 end was in, also.
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 19, 2012 13:37:41 GMT -8
Friday Harbor, San Juan Island, with M/V Evergreen State at secondary tie-up slip - 9 June 2012  photo © WCK-JST by Wett Coast, on Flickr[/size] |
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 22, 2012 19:13:29 GMT -8
Anacortes Terminal with M/V Elwha in closest berth & M/V Chelan (having just finished unloading from the international run) behind - 9 June 2012  photo © WCK-JST by Wett Coast, on Flickr[/size] |
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