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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 28, 2012 6:04:49 GMT -8
Only the source of the photo is required: The other way to have expulsion from the group is to say something critical about Kipfer Fox's photo-posting style. Then you are booted and blocked from view, almost immediately.
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Post by Mike C on Jun 28, 2012 7:24:12 GMT -8
At the top of the page, there is a disclaimer, indicating that you must have credentials before posting other people's photos. It's pretty clear that this rule is overlooked by posting members. It is especially frustrating when administrators and those of authority choose not to follow their own rules, purely for the sake of having a more 'extensive' collection, and to appear to have the leg-up on other groups/organizations. Only the source of the photo is required: I stand corrected. However in every single historic photo I found, not a single one had source information.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 28, 2012 7:48:33 GMT -8
Here's a different Ocean Liner FaceBook group that was upset with the low-class "Lovers of the Ocean Liners" group. - Upset enough to do something about it, re Facebook admin.
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Post by Nick on Jun 28, 2012 8:03:13 GMT -8
I joined this Facebook group, to go through the vast expanse of photos and collections they have. I see no possible way that all of the historic photos in the collection were taken by the members, however I had a different experience than most of you - I found the group welcoming with absolutely no sign of Mr. Fox. I did a Facebook search, followed by going through several albums and photos looking for his name, with no prevail. At the top of the page, there is a disclaimer, indicating that you must have credentials before posting other people's photos. It's pretty clear that this rule is overlooked by posting members. It is especially frustrating when administrators and those of authority choose not to follow their own rules, purely for the sake of having a more 'extensive' collection, and to appear to have the leg-up on other groups/organizations. It would seem that most of these individuals are respectful and considerate. It appears these are not the same individuals who are posting the photos. I am getting sick and tired of finding our photos without proper citation on sites like The Tyee, and even on eBay where in the past, parts of our photo collections were sold for profit. That opening statement was only added recently in response to heavy criticism and complaints from Facebook. Any posts by Kipfer Fox were removed when he was banned from Facebook. He has since started a new FB account under "Kip Fox" and has continued posting, albeit with a little bit more restraint.
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Post by Mike C on Jun 28, 2012 10:30:52 GMT -8
Alright, I understand now... I just read the release from the RMS Queen Mary group. I also did not realize that Mr Fox had been banned, and effectively resurrected himself to the group, to continue posting.
Pathetic, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 11:20:31 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 3, 2012 18:38:27 GMT -8
Simple if you are the government. Ferries that cross bits of fresh water are 'bridges'. Ferries crossing salt water, however, are not bridges. They should be considered as cruise ships and priced accordingly.
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Post by mrdot on Jul 3, 2012 21:25:26 GMT -8
:)we might snidely say sence of entitlement, but I myself have noted this wonderful difference in rate structure, for many years since my ontime coastal ferry life and career, which does not encude the entitlement of a gold plated retirement package, so for years my family and I have been pleasantly affording a trip up to Craford Bay and many trips across Kootenay lake on the best free forty minute ferry ride anywhere in this best place on earth! :)mrdot.
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 3, 2012 23:59:22 GMT -8
Our closest ships to the Osprey are the Q's and the Skeena Queen. I dare you to see how S-coasters react to having those on their route.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 4:48:32 GMT -8
Our closest ships to the Osprey are the Q's and the Skeena Queen. I dare you to see how S-coasters react to having those on their route. I agree with you, but you should direct your comments to the Coasters that complain (such as on that facebook page), not me. I understand that we need to pay to ride the ferry! And route 3 isn't that bad compared to other routes... We only have to pay on one end.
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Post by Neil on Jul 4, 2012 9:43:26 GMT -8
Our closest ships to the Osprey are the Q's and the Skeena Queen. I dare you to see how S-coasters react to having those on their route. I agree with you, but you should direct your comments to the Coasters that complain (such as on that facebook page), not me. I understand that we need to pay to ride the ferry! And route 3 isn't that bad compared to other routes... We only have to pay on one end. When you pay at one end, you're paying a return fare, just like many other routes. You can't blame people for continuing to bring up the issue of free ferries for some, since there's never been a satisfactory explanation given, and there never will be.
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Post by Neil on Aug 18, 2012 21:37:24 GMT -8
I'm a bit puzzled by this group's slogan- "It's Time To Negotiate With BC Ferries"... what sort of clout does the ferry riding public have to negotiate with, exactly? In any event, their website makes for an interesting read, and clearly, the ferry advisory committees are pretty impotent with regard to anything outside of housekeeping issues on individual routes, so perhaps there's a value in this, if it catches on. ferryhostage.com/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 10:01:13 GMT -8
I laughed when I saw signs of that website along the Sunshine Coast highway. I thought "another typical complaining Sunshine Coaster". Many Sunshine Coasters complain about ferries, but simply aren't informed. At least the people who created this website are informed, and that being said, much more informed than the average SC'er.
Which brigns me up to Neil's post saying that they've never been given a reasonable explanation why other ferry routes in the province are free. It's not the company's responsibility to explain to everyone why another company operates differently. It's everyone's responsibility to get informed about the businesses they patronize, just like it's the voter's responsibility to get informed about the politicians that are running in their riding.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 5, 2012 18:31:31 GMT -8
I will post this here: The Canadian Ferry Operators Association is holding their annual conference & annual-meeting in Victoria BC, on September 17-18. Here's the webpage about the conference: www.cfoa.ca/agm/index.phpBC Ferry Commissioner Gord MacAtee is the keynote speaker. Here is the conference agenda: www.cfoa.ca/agm/schedule.phpCapt. George Capacci is scheduled to speak about strategic-planning at WSF.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 16, 2012 6:50:45 GMT -8
I will post this here: The Canadian Ferry Operators Association is holding their annual conference & annual-meeting in Victoria BC, on September 17-18. Here's the webpage about the conference: www.cfoa.ca/agm/index.phpBC Ferry Commissioner Gord MacAtee is the keynote speaker. Here is the conference agenda: www.cfoa.ca/agm/schedule.phpCapt. George Capacci is scheduled to speak about strategic-planning at WSF. You have to wonder what Captain Capacci's speech will entail. Strategic-Planning at WSF (based on what I've read here) is something that's hollow because there is no financial certainty to create meaningful plans that can be expected to be followed-through.
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Post by Neil on Dec 6, 2016 22:48:08 GMT -8
Joined the BC Nautical Heritage facebook page this evening... with very mixed feelings.
I'm saddened that traditional forums seem to be waning in favor of Mark Zuckerberg's empire. This forum, and others I've followed, are less vibrant, and some have disappeared or at least are largely inactive. I'm not sure why we all seem to be gravitating to facebook. It doesn't have the organization of topics, and there is certainly no curation of information like Mr Horn has done with this forum. A while back, I watched the documentary 'facebookistan', which put the lie to Zuckerberg's pious claim that he just wants to unite the human race in communication, when what he is actually doing is selling participants' information and habits to corporations, and making us all less autonomous and private. Facebook has also participated in the oppression of expression in various countries- watch the doc for details.
But, here we are. More and more, buying into Zuckerberg's business model and signing more and more of our discourse over to him and his clients. Not sure why facebook seems like a better vehicle for talking to each other, but it may be too late to lament it. I'm on a number of his 'channels', so I'm as much to blame as anyone.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 7, 2016 8:34:31 GMT -8
Joined the BC Nautical Heritage facebook page this evening... with very mixed feelings.
I'm saddened that traditional forums seem to be waning in favor of Mark Zuckerberg's empire. This forum, and others I've followed, are less vibrant, and some have disappeared or at least are largely inactive. I'm not sure why we all seem to be gravitating to facebook. It doesn't have the organization of topics, and there is certainly no curation of information like Mr Horn has done with this forum. A while back, I watched the documentary 'facebookistan', which put the lie to Zuckerberg's pious claim that he just wants to unite the human race in communication, when what he is actually doing is selling participants' information and habits to corporations, and making us all less autonomous and private. Facebook has also participated in the oppression of expression in various countries- watch the doc for details.
But, here we are. More and more, buying into Zuckerberg's business model and signing more and more of our discourse over to him and his clients. Not sure why facebook seems like a better vehicle for talking to each other, but it may be too late to lament it. I'm on a number of his 'channels', so I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm with you on that. I prefer organized depth & detail, and I realize that the population of target members for that type of platform is limited. My assessment of social media platforms like Facebook and Instagram is that they have a wide, but shallow, audience. Lots of people reached, but you reach them with temporary "hey, that's cool" reactions, and then that item quickly gets buried into never-never-land of old news. Still, that momentary bit of nautical connection is important for many people's daily social-media routines. But it's just a continual series of momentary connections. Although some Facebook threads go on for a while, and I have experienced a bit of a sense of "community" with some of the regular posters on the BC Nautical facebook page, such as the fine administrator who also runs the Nauticapedia site. But similar to when I try to say something briefly to a colleague or to my wife, I find that I am geared to the fine detail and long-winded approach that is better found on a calaloged forum site such as this one here. I think fellow member "Wet Coast" sees things the same way, where a platform like Flickr seems to be the in-depth photo site that is geared towards people who are committed to the fine-detail in-depth experience.
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 7, 2016 19:07:10 GMT -8
Although some Facebook threads go on for a while, and I have experienced a bit of a sense of "community" with some of the regular posters on the BC Nautical facebook page, such as the fine administrator who also runs the Nauticapedia site. I agree with the both of you re your comments on social media & Facebook in particular. I do think that Facebook (perhaps inadvertently) helped Americans to make a terrible choice a month ago. People it seems can not tell fact from fiction on social media ... Having said that the BC Nautical History site is one of the best on Facebook IMHO. Much of that is due to the efforts of the administrator John MacFarlane who keeps people on topic & most importantly, he tolerates none of the personal nastiness that seems to be 'the norm' on so much of what you see on Facebook. Membership in BCNH is very worthwhile.
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Post by Neil on Jun 22, 2017 21:10:37 GMT -8
I think it's absolutely reprehensible that BC Ferries does not provide free unicorn rides for children in families caught in long ferry lineups. And how is it that Mark Collins continues to get paid when the Queen of Nanaimo cancelled sailings today? And how about that shameful vibration in the Queen of New Westminster's cafeteria that causes your soft drink to go flat before you can finish it? How is it that they don't refund your fare?
You guessed it... I was looking in on the 'BC Ferries Our Marine Highway' facebook page. One doofus was actually- I'm not making this up- blaming BC Ferries for not 'creating shade' when there's lineups on a sunny day. I saw a post from our Dane, trying to inject a bit of sanity into the discussion, but I can only conclude that Dane has way too much time on his hands, or is a complete masochist. I thought of doing a snarky post, but I wasn't overly disappointed to see that I'm not actually a member.
I do agree about the toilet paper however, although I'm a bit ashamed to admit it.
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