Edmonds-Kingston

[Kahloke]

Nov 5, 2010 17:31:24 GMT -8 Low Light Mike said:

Some WSF terminal photos, from October 26 & 27, 2010:
Edmonds:
- the toll-booths and main holding area (which is an intersection and rail-line away from the berth area)
- the booth roofs are built for the heavy annual snowfall that Edmonds experiences each winter ;D.


- the intersection between the main holding compound the the berth area.


- from the nice beach park beside the terminal.


- with Walla Walla approaching.


- the view from the holding-compound that's across the street.


- The passenger walkway bridge to the ship. Similar to what we see on BC Ferries (but wider, to avoid bottleneck congestion, I presume?).

[Kahloke]

Nov 5, 2010 17:31:24 GMT -8 Low Light Mike said:

Some WSF terminal photos, from October 26 & 27, 2010:
Kingston:
- the 2-berth terminal.

[Kahloke]

A few of my Kingston photos:

Aug, 2004 - looking back toward the toll booths and Kingston Inn, which has since burned to the gound


Puyallup in dock








Nov, 2010 - A very wintry day

[Kahloke]

Some new pictures I took at Kingston today:

Toll booths at Kingston - Spokane is in Slip 1


downtown Kingston - the approach to the toll booths


Kingston terminal - Spokane in Slip 1


Passenger walkway to overhead loading

[SS Shasta]

There seems to be a WSF's tradition that when one of the Seattle - Winslow ferries is out of service for maintenance, repairs, upgrades, etc., the largest vessel, MV Puyallup, is shifted south. When this is done, it leaves the Edmonds - Kingston Route without a large 202 vehicle ferry. Why is this done? It seems like Edmonds - Kingston is one of the fastest growing routes in the system. Vehicles can line up for miles on Edmonds - Kingston, especially during the weekends during the spring, summer, and fall seasons.

How does Edmonds - Kingston compare with Seattle - Winslow in recent traffic volumes? It seems rather strange that little is mentioned about moving two 202 vehicle ferries or adding a third vessel to Edmonds -Kingston in recent WSF planning documents.

[Barnacle]

Jun 3, 2011 12:38:53 GMT -8 SS Shasta said:

There seems to be a WSF's tradition that when one of the Seattle - Winslow ferries is out of service for maintenance, repairs, upgrades, etc., the largest vessel, MV Puyallup, is shifted south. When this is done, it leaves the Edmonds - Kingston Route without a large 202 vehicle ferry. Why is this done? It seems like Edmonds - Kingston is one of the fastest growing routes in the system. Vehicles can line up for miles on Edmonds - Kingston, especially during the weekends during the spring, summer, and fall seasons.

How does Edmonds - Kingston compare with Seattle - Winslow in recent traffic volumes? It seems rather strange that little is mentioned about moving two 202 vehicle ferries or adding a third vessel to Edmonds -Kingston in recent WSF planning documents.

Here's a hint: walk-on traffic. The Mk2's can carry 2500 passengers; Supers and Jumbos, only 2000. Edmonds doesn't have the walk-on traffic that Winslow does. And weekends only count for 2/7 of the week, so weekend traffic does suffer a bit as a result of maintenance, though your example of 'spring, summer and fall' is precisely when the Mark II's tend to not be out for maintenance, unless there's paint involved.

[hergfest]

And the Mark IIs really don't hold that many more cars than the Wally/Spokane. Well, that is on paper, don't know how much it is actually.

[Political Incorrectness]

Jumbos are 192s, Mark IIs are 202, so a difference of 10 cars. However, Edmonds-Kingston has a lot of commercial and RV traffic.

[Barnacle]

(Minor point--the Jumbo Mk Ones are actually rated at 188, or a difference of 14 cars. Given that there are 14 lanes on a Jumbo Mk1 car deck, that's one car per lane less, at the 20-foot car space standard.)

[northwesterner]

What happened to the Super's 2500 pax rating?

I seem to remember the Hyak running Seattle-Winslow a few years back because of its greater pax capacity vs. the Jumbos.

[FNS]

Jun 3, 2011 14:36:06 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Jun 3, 2011 12:38:53 GMT -8 SS Shasta said:

There seems to be a WSF's tradition that when one of the Seattle - Winslow ferries is out of service for maintenance, repairs, upgrades, etc., the largest vessel, MV Puyallup, is shifted south. When this is done, it leaves the Edmonds - Kingston Route without a large 202 vehicle ferry. Why is this done? It seems like Edmonds - Kingston is one of the fastest growing routes in the system. Vehicles can line up for miles on Edmonds - Kingston, especially during the weekends during the spring, summer, and fall seasons.

How does Edmonds - Kingston compare with Seattle - Winslow in recent traffic volumes? It seems rather strange that little is mentioned about moving two 202 vehicle ferries or adding a third vessel to Edmonds -Kingston in recent WSF planning documents.

Here's a hint: walk-on traffic. The Mk2's can carry 2500 passengers; Supers and Jumbos, only 2000. Edmonds doesn't have the walk-on traffic that Winslow does. And weekends only count for 2/7 of the week, so weekend traffic does suffer a bit as a result of maintenance, though your example of 'spring, summer and fall' is precisely when the Mark II's tend to not be out for maintenance, unless there's paint involved.

I've just noticed a change in the passenger capacity of the Supers by looking at the WSF online fleet guide this evening. These four originally carried 2500 passengers.

The HYAK, KALEETAN, and YAKIMA can now carry 2000 passengers while the ELWHA can carry 1076.

Does anyone know when the change took place?

To refresh the historical data in the minds of us ferry geeks, the first assignment of a Super on the Kingston run took place in 1973 as the KALEETAN replaced the TILLIKUM. In the fall of that year, the ELWHA took over and was assisted by the ILLAHEE or NISQUALLY. Everyone should know what happened in 1979 that temporarily downgraded this run to a single 100-car ferry for a little more than one year.

[Barnacle]

Jun 5, 2011 21:45:45 GMT -8 FNS said:

I've just noticed a change in the passenger capacity of the Supers by looking at the WSF online fleet guide this evening. These four originally carried 2500 passengers.

The HYAK, KALEETAN, and YAKIMA can now carry 2000 passengers while the ELWHA can carry 1076.

Does anyone know when the change took place?

Not for certain, but I can safely say 'within the last two years' for the Hyak, Yakima and Kaleetan. The Elwha... she's a special case. I'm also not entirely certain that 1076 isn't the international rating (some silly requirement about "liferafting for everybody" ) but I don't have the COI in front of me to verify, so I'll let that stand.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I've explained this before, but Evergreenfleet mentioned to me in passing an article where the "average weight" of a passenger for stability calculation purposes was raised from 165 pounds to 180. (Americans are getting fatter.) Being that the stability on the Supers isn't quite all we would like it to be in the first place, the amount of passenger weight allowable couldn't be raised, so the amount of passengers was lowered.

I'll have to get back to you on the Elwha's paxcap when I set foot on the old canoe next.

[Low Light Mike]

Jun 6, 2011 5:13:33 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

I'll have to get back to you on the Elwha's paxcap when I set foot on the old canoe next.

According to my photo of the Elwha's "Certificate of Inspection" (certificate expires April 2011), the max-pax was 1,200 passengers, or 1,221 total souls.

- but for a domestic route only, that's increased to 2,000 pax or 2,016 total.

[Barnacle]

Jun 6, 2011 5:41:59 GMT -8 Low Light Mike said:

Jun 6, 2011 5:13:33 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

I'll have to get back to you on the Elwha's paxcap when I set foot on the old canoe next.

According to my photo of the Elwha's "Certificate of Inspection" (certificate expires April 2011), the max-pax was 1,200 passengers, or 1,221 total souls.

How many actual people? ;D (With apologies to Terry Pratchett.)

- but for a domestic route only, that's increased to 2,000 pax or 2,016 total.

Yes, that's more like what I remember on the paxmax for the Elwha. I wasn't sure of the exact numbers, and I don't want to be quoted if I don't have accurate information.

[EGfleet]

Jun 6, 2011 20:13:54 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Jun 6, 2011 5:41:59 GMT -8 Low Light Mike said:

According to my photo of the Elwha's "Certificate of Inspection" (certificate expires April 2011), the max-pax was 1,200 passengers, or 1,221 total souls.

How many actual people? ;D (With apologies to Terry Pratchett.)

- but for a domestic route only, that's increased to 2,000 pax or 2,016 total.

Yes, that's more like what I remember on the paxmax for the Elwha. I wasn't sure of the exact numbers, and I don't want to be quoted if I don't have accurate information.

Barnacle, who is working on the Elwha this evening due to the earlier break down of the Yakima reports the Elwha's carrying capacity listed on the current certificate of inspection as:

Domestic: 2,016
International: 1,221

Just like Flugel said.

[Barnacle]

I'd like to take the opportunity to point all this out to those who insist that "it must be correct because it's on WSF's website..."

[Cascadian Transport]

I Notice that in the not-to distant future, The Wenatchee goes to Winslow and Puallup goes to Kingston. I know they often do swaps like this, but wouldn't it be more feasible to just send the Wenatchee to Kingston?

[Barnacle]

Jan 24, 2012 18:49:07 GMT -8 Cascadian Transport said:

I Notice that in the not-to distant future, The Wenatchee goes to Winslow and Puallup goes to Kingston. I know they often do swaps like this, but wouldn't it be more feasible to just send the Wenatchee to Kingston?

For purposes of engineering crewing, the individual vessels are homeported at various terminals around the Sound. The Puyallup (as far as I know) is homeported at Edmonds-Kingston, the Wenatchee is homeported at Seattle-Bainbridge. It's a little more complicated than that, but that's the short form.

[BreannaF]

I was on the Kingston ferry today, and saw something sort-of interesting on the dock. As the ferry was approaching the dock, and as I was taking pictures, I noticed that the rails had been painted red.

That didn't really matter, but note the deckhand in the lower right corner is holding a stick. It turns out that he will adjust the level of the dock by pushing down on the switch with the stick, until the front of the ferry is under the dock. Only then does someone jump onto the dock to lower the dock to the ferry deck.

I thought that was odd, until someone later reminded me about THIS incident from early June:

In Kingston, state ferries spokeswoman Susan Harris said a cable broke and caused the transfer span, which carries vehicles as they get on and off the ferry, to hit the water."It bounced off the boat, broke the hinge plates and fell into the water," she said.

One crew member fell into the water with the span but was rescued unhurt, she said.

Looks like they have a temporary safety solution to the problem. Or "I'm not getting on that dock again".

[Barnacle]

Jul 31, 2012 21:27:48 GMT -8 BreannaF said:

I was on the Kingston ferry today, and saw something sort-of interesting on the dock. As the ferry was approaching the dock, and as I was taking pictures, I noticed that the rails had been painted red.

Fleet standard. Apparently vehicles striking the corner of the railing has been a problem. I've only seen it twice, and the railing was red the second time.

That didn't really matter, but note the deckhand in the lower right corner is holding a stick. It turns out that he will adjust the level of the dock by pushing down on the switch with the stick, until the front of the ferry is under the dock. Only then does someone jump onto the dock to lower the dock to the ferry deck.

I thought that was odd, until someone later reminded me about THIS incident from early June:

In Kingston, state ferries spokeswoman Susan Harris said a cable broke and caused the transfer span, which carries vehicles as they get on and off the ferry, to hit the water."It bounced off the boat, broke the hinge plates and fell into the water," she said.

One crew member fell into the water with the span but was rescued unhurt, she said.

Looks like they have a temporary safety solution to the problem. Or "I'm not getting on that dock again".

Unrelated to that event--I can't recall the last time I saw terminal personnel manipulate the dock at Kingston. You might wish to check the date on that event--it happened eleven years ago.

[BreannaF]

Aug 1, 2012 18:16:36 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Unrelated to that event--I can't recall the last time I saw terminal personnel manipulate the dock at Kingston. You might wish to check the date on that event--it happened eleven years ago.

Oops, darn newspaper website and their random articles strike again.

Just the first time I noticed the guy with the stick, I guess.....

[Deleted]

How are the Supers doing for traffic on this route?

[SolDuc]

Jan 9, 2013 19:27:58 GMT -8 @cheese12345678 said:

How are the Supers doing for traffic on this route?

I check a lot at Edmonds and the Supers don't seem to have a lot of issues on the weekdays (except maybe for one morning sailing and one evening. On weekends, if it is rainy, then thay don't have issues and if it is sunny they have issues on Friday evenings from Edmonds and on Sunday afternoons at Kingston.

(If anyone has more info on week stats, feel free to add)

[SolDuc]

Edmonds Ferry Terminal, as seen from the water on November 24th, 2012:

Edmonds Ferry Terminal - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr

[SolDuc]

Some pics of Kingston - November 14th, 2012:

Overall "rendering"

Kingston Ferry Terminal - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr

Close up of the slips and of the soundrunner:

Kingston Ferry Terminal - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr

The toolbooths and holding area:

Kingston Ferry Terminal - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr

And finally looking at the outermost northern dolphin of slip 1:

Kingston Ferry Terminal - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr