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Post by hullnumbers on Mar 22, 2020 13:15:34 GMT -8
I see, though, I was meaning between 1974 to 1981. Was there any auto and passenger service during this time for the PoV with CP?
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Post by princessofvanfan on Mar 22, 2020 19:50:41 GMT -8
I see, though, I was meaning between 1974 to 1981. Was there any auto and passenger service during this time for the PoV with CP? Yes, she carried passengers and autos for her entire career with C.P. I sailed on her twice, in 1976 and 1978. |
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Post by princessofvanfan on Aug 27, 2020 1:42:18 GMT -8
Looking at this old information sheet, I couldn't help but notice how much heavier P.O.V. was than other similar sized vessels, like Queen of Nanaimo. She must have had a lot more steel in her hull to handle the rail cars, and been a major diesel hog, like the Suzy Q. Attachments:
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 27, 2020 22:22:26 GMT -8
Looking at this old information sheet, I couldn't help but notice how much heavier P.O.V. was than other similar sized vessels, like Queen of Nanaimo. She must have had a lot more steel in her hull to handle the rail cars, and been a major diesel hog, like the Suzy Q. You are another one who apparently does not know that 'gross tonnage' is not actually a measure of weight. It is probable, however, the the PoV was actually heavier than those other vessels of similar size.
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Post by paulvanb on Aug 28, 2020 17:15:55 GMT -8
In 1974, did Princess of Vancouver end it's auto and passenger service or did it continue till the ferry was retired? A buddy of mine worked on her. I believe that she had car service to the end of her career at CP. Vehicles looped around. |
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Post by princessofvanfan on Aug 28, 2020 19:30:53 GMT -8
In 1974, did Princess of Vancouver end it's auto and passenger service or did it continue till the ferry was retired? A buddy of mine worked on her. I believe that she had car service to the end of her career at CP. Vehicles looped around. I wonder why they didn't continue operating her as a rail ferry only and simply discontinue passenger service. The ship was only 26 years old when C.P. retired her, and I'm sure they still needed her rail capacity. Did Trailer Princess replace her? |
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Post by Neil on Aug 28, 2020 19:57:51 GMT -8
A buddy of mine worked on her. I believe that she had car service to the end of her career at CP. Vehicles looped around. I wonder why they didn't continue operating her as a rail ferry only and simply discontinue passenger service. The ship was only 26 years old when C.P. retired her, and I'm sure they still needed her rail capacity. Did Trailer Princess replace her? carried rail cars, and looking at an early photo of Carrier Princess, looks like she may have as well. They may have also had the Greg Yorke under charter- not sure about that- and she was also rail capable. No sense in using a big passenger ship like the Princess of Vancouver just for rail. |
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 28, 2020 20:47:53 GMT -8
... and looking at an early photo of Carrier Princess, looks like she may have as well. Carrier Princess did indeed carry rail cars ... and it continued to do so up until the end of 2012 with Seaspan.
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Post by Starsteward on Aug 29, 2020 12:15:37 GMT -8
In 1974, did Princess of Vancouver end it's auto and passenger service or did it continue till the ferry was retired? A buddy of mine worked on her. I believe that she had car service to the end of her career at CP. Vehicles looped around. The Princess of Vancouver never carried cars on her lower deck. Vehicle traffic loaded via a side-loading ramp in Vancouver and Nanaimo onto an upper deck. Crew cabins were beneath the rail/main deck. Yeah, try sleeping when rail cars are shunting two feet above ones' head!  My experience(s) during, as the song goes: 'In the Summer of '65'  |
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Post by princessofvanfan on Aug 29, 2020 12:41:31 GMT -8
The upper car deck was originally lounge space, and was converted to accommadate cars in the late 60's, I believe. Here are before and after deck diagrams : Attachments:
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Post by FNS on Aug 29, 2020 13:04:28 GMT -8
The upper car deck was originally lounge space, and was converted to accommadate cars in the late 60's, I believe. Here are before and after deck diagrams : Yes, indeed.
Those layouts were scanned and posted by me on Page 10 of this thread. The Upper Deck layout was altered by me to show the upper car deck. Also, I include the revision of the food service space to include a formal dining room besides a cafeteria.
The PRINCESS MARGUERITE had her formal dining room divided the same way for the 1972, 1973, and 1974 seasons. BC restored the formal dining room for the 1975 season on the Seattle to Victoria run.
For larger images, I invite you to see Page 10. |
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Post by princessofvanfan on Aug 29, 2020 14:35:11 GMT -8
The upper car deck was originally lounge space, and was converted to accommadate cars in the late 60's, I believe. Here are before and after deck diagrams : Yes, indeed.
Those layouts were scanned and posted by me on Page 10 of this thread. The Upper Deck layout was altered by me to show the upper car deck. Also, I include the revision of the food service space to include a formal dining room besides a cafeteria.
The PRINCESS MARGUERITE had her formal dining room divided the same way for the 1972, 1973, and 1974 seasons. BC restored the formal dining room for the 1975 season on the Seattle to Victoria run.
For larger images, I invite you to see Page 10. Nice work. It was so strange to have to walk around a bunch of cars to get to the cafeteria, but handy for those who did drive on...food service was right there on the same deck. |
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Post by Neil on Aug 29, 2020 19:50:17 GMT -8
The upper car deck was originally lounge space, and was converted to accommadate cars in the late 60's, I believe. Here are before and after deck diagrams : Yes, indeed.
Those layouts were scanned and posted by me on Page 10 of this thread. The Upper Deck layout was altered by me to show the upper car deck. Also, I include the revision of the food service space to include a formal dining room besides a cafeteria.
The PRINCESS MARGUERITE had her formal dining room divided the same way for the 1972, 1973, and 1974 seasons. BC restored the formal dining room for the 1975 season on the Seattle to Victoria run.
For larger images, I invite you to see Page 10. FNS, thanks for revisiting your earlier diagrams of the added vehicle space, as I was wondering again how that would have worked. It still seems really odd... perhaps 120'- 140', midships, carved out for cars. Also, given that she was only 66' wide, jockeying vehicles around to fill the space must have been a challenge. And they loaded from a side door, as opposed to being brought up by ramp from the main cardeck? It's a testament to CPR's lack of foresight in designing vessels for the vehicle age. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 20:47:09 GMT -8
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Post by paulvanb on Aug 29, 2020 21:59:32 GMT -8
A buddy of mine worked on her for a few years. He told me that when he first started working on her, (1978) there was a dining room and a cafeteria, plus a bar! On the lower deck it was boxcars only. He also told me that she was war-ready, mainly to transport tanks.
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Post by northwesterner on Aug 29, 2020 23:06:39 GMT -8
Biff had found some but he deleted the album they were in when that video outrage came along when he lied Who is biff??? (Sorry couldn't help myself on the reply to the 15 year old post.) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 21:16:40 GMT -8
Biff Howard Tannen...Back to the Future.
Okay bad joke, I will go into the corner now.
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Post by elijahj on Nov 9, 2020 15:14:08 GMT -8
I have an old fire axe from the princess of Vancouver. Came from burrito dry docks. I’m not sure how to upload photos....
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