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Post by hullnumbers on Dec 1, 2011 21:58:23 GMT -8
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Post by Kam on Dec 2, 2011 12:36:55 GMT -8
dead link...
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Post by hullnumbers on Dec 2, 2011 18:14:07 GMT -8
What do you mean by that??? The building has alot to do with ferries and terminals.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 2, 2011 18:25:10 GMT -8
What do you mean by that??? The building has alot to do with ferries and terminals. Try clicking on the news-story link that You posted, and then you'll know..... |
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Post by Mike on Dec 2, 2011 18:43:50 GMT -8
Just go to the address bar and remove the "<br>" from the end of the URL, then the link works.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 2, 2011 18:56:18 GMT -8
Just go to the address bar and remove the "<br>" from the end of the URL, then the link works. Thanks, I've gone into the original post and fixed the link so that it works now. |
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Post by hullnumbers on Dec 3, 2011 21:26:56 GMT -8
Thanks for fixing the link, guess I need to work on posting links  It's very exciting that this building will be a ferry terminal again. Last time I was there, my sis took me. Once I was there when it was just me and my bro, the other time was when she brought her kids. My fav was the royal and horror sections. Good memories. ;D I been keeping track with the news about it, but was not interested in the 4 bidders till the winner was announced. Interesting that this building was built at the same time as the Johnson Street Bridge. Every fact I learn and see, I have a better understanding at how Victoria was developed since it began. |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 5, 2011 11:07:59 GMT -8
Thanks for fixing the link, guess I need to work on posting links It's very exciting that this building will be a ferry terminal again. It once served as an intercity steamer/passenger terminal, and a pretty nice example of such to be sure. Somehow I just don't like to think of CP's BC Coastal liners as 'ferries', though in later years they were very slowly moving toward what we have today with auto transporting ferries. Do we know for sure that ferry operators Blackball & Clipper are 'onside' with this plan & will move into the building? On a side note just what does the term 'ferry' mean? This might make an interesting discussion. |
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Post by Neil on Dec 9, 2011 14:33:16 GMT -8
...Somehow I just don't like to think of CP's BC Coastal liners as 'ferries', though in later years they were very slowly moving toward what we have today with auto transporting ferries. On a side note just what does the term 'ferry' mean? This might make an interesting discussion. Something tells me we might have had a discussion on the definition of 'ferry' before, but if so, I can't recall when and where, without digging through the musty back rooms of this esteemed salon... A quick definition might be, any quick loading passenger or freight vessel which travels a fixed route on a fixed timetable on a regular basis. The False Creek passenger boats are ferries, as is the Lasqueti Island boat, and the Seaspan vessels. But what about the English Bay Launch service to Bowen? Water taxi or ferry? I'd say ferry, because of the fixed route and schedule. The old CPR steamers were ferries, for the same reason. How about the Norwegian Coastal Voyage, run by Hurtigruten? The boats look more like cruise ships, and the trip is a a tourist oriented six days each way, but freight, vehicles and local passengers are still carried, and the fact that a subsidy is paid to the operator spells 'ferry' to me. If a cruise operator instituted a regular scheduled freight and vehicle carrying vessel with ro-ro capacity between Los Angeles and Honolulu, would that be a cruise ship that carried cars, or a very upscale ferry? Many of the modern European ferries are almost indistinguishable from mid-grade cruise ships in their interiors. Historically, a ferry could have been one guy poling a raft across a river. It's probably a bit trickier defining the term at the upper end of the market, or with regard to freight services. How about the Uchuck III, and the Frances Barkley, or the old scheduled Northland Navigation services? Ferries all, I'd say. |
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Post by Mike C on Dec 9, 2011 16:02:25 GMT -8
On a side note just what does the term 'ferry' mean? This might make an interesting discussion. The word "ferry" in essence means the transportation of people or tangible goods from one location to another on a regular basis, through any mode of transportation, however the term was specialized over the years to indicate marine transportation. So, in theory, yes, these services would be ferries. There would come a point though, where services would no longer be ferries - where the intent of the service is no longer to get the people or goods to a specific destination. Neil is correct, though, these are ferry services. I am not sure about a "fixed schedule" though - do MOT ferries qualify for this term? Most of them are "on-demand" between a set number of hours, is that a schedule? I would say that a ferry has hours of operation, however I wouldn't go so far as to say that all ferries have a schedule. It all depends on the types of services they need to provide. |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 9, 2011 17:18:46 GMT -8
Had you have been in down town Victoria in the summer of 1928 and a tourist was inquiring as to the whereabouts of the 'ferry terminal', would you have implicitly understood that the tourist was asking about the CPR BC Coast Steamship terminal? I think not.
Would people have referred to the Princess Kathleen as a 'ferry'? Again, I think not.
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Post by Neil on Dec 9, 2011 20:17:50 GMT -8
Had you have been in down town Victoria in the summer of 1928 and a tourist was inquiring as to the whereabouts of the 'ferry terminal', would you have implicitly understood that the tourist was asking about the CPR BC Coast Steamship terminal? I think not. Would people have referred to the Princess Kathleen as a 'ferry'? Again, I think not. Quite right, they wouldn't have. In design and in operation, the old CP had pretensions to be a miniaturised, localised version of their ocean liners. But as much as I love the looks of those old vessels, they did what ferries do. Chinook hardly took a back seat to the Princess ships in terms of appointments when she was launched in '46 or '47, but no one would have argued she wasn't a ferry. Or maybe they would have, back in the day. Terminology changes often more than function. Princess Elaine was no beauty, and was most certainly a car ferry; even the grand Princess Victoria carried cars after about 1930. Mr M. Photo is right- I overlooked the on demand aspect of scheduling, which certainly would have been the case with my example of the raft being poled across a river. |
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It's very exciting that this building will be a ferry terminal again.
