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Post by WettCoast on Dec 1, 2015 21:46:23 GMT -8
I think it is the S.S. Baramba. Better known by her original name, R.P. Rithet. Not sure about the photo location but at this stage in her life she would likely have been operating in the Howe Sound area. Edit - I think the photo location may be Snug Cove, Bowen Island. Apparently you have this right. The discussion on the Facebook 'BC Nautical History Group' led us to that answer. She operated in Howe Sound as the Baramba, during the final years of her career. But for most of that career she was the R.P. Rithet. This was all taking place more than a century ago.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 20, 2016 11:16:32 GMT -8
Its time again to play Name that Boat, the WCFF's ever popular guessing game .... This fuzzy photo comes from that old Kodak Instamatic once owned by my brother, mrdot . It shows one of the 'Seven Sisters' north bound off Mayne Island in Active Pass. It was taken in the spring of 1970 (the slide from which it was scanned has a processing date of May 1970). Now over to you ... The vessel pictured here was unique at the time of the photo. Only one of the '7 Sisters' looked this way. Which one is it, and tell us why? One of the 'Seven Sisters' mainland bound in Active Pass - spring 1970 © Mr. DOT by mrdot., on Flickr
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 12:52:34 GMT -8
Its time again to play Name that Boat, the WCFF's ever popular guessing game .... This fuzzy photo comes from that old Kodak Instamatic once owned by my brother, mrdot . It shows one of the 'Seven Sisters' north bound off Mayne Island in Active Pass. It was taken in the spring of 1970 (the slide from which it was scanned has a processing date of May 1970). Now over to you ... The vessel pictured here was unique at the time of the photo. Only one of the '7 Sisters' looked this way. Which one is it, and tell us why? This took me about an hour to figure this one out, but after endlessly searching the forum and John's website, and re-reading your post, I conclude that this is the Queen of Esquimalt. The name appears to say "VICTORIA" but it is too blurry to confirm whether it does or not. I think I read somewhere that the Queen of Victoria had only been in service for a short time when she crashed in August, 1970, but I could not locate a source for that now. Based on a faint recollection, and your clue, the Victoria had not yet returned to service in her longer form. The only other vessel that had been stretched was the Queen of Esquimalt.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 20, 2016 17:59:30 GMT -8
Its time again to play Name that Boat, the WCFF's ever popular guessing game .... This took me about an hour to figure this one out, but after endlessly searching the forum and John's website, and re-reading your post, I conclude that this is the Queen of Esquimalt. The name appears to say "VICTORIA" but it is too blurry to confirm whether it does or not. I think I read somewhere that the Queen of Victoria had only been in service for a short time when she crashed in August, 1970, but I could not locate a source for that now. Based on a faint recollection, and your clue, the Victoria had not yet returned to service in her longer form. The only other vessel that had been stretched was the Queen of Esquimalt. I am going to let others have a chance to 'weigh-in' before answering you. I am impressed by the research you have done.
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Post by roeco on Jan 22, 2016 16:09:58 GMT -8
Yep Id say Queen of Victoria!
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 23, 2016 19:13:25 GMT -8
Its time again to play Name that Boat, the WCFF's ever popular guessing game .... Please see original post above ...Now over to you ... The vessel pictured here was unique at the time of the photo. Only one of the '7 Sisters' looked this way. Which one is it, and tell us why? © Mr. DOT by mrdot., on Flickr So far just two of you have responded to my original post of a few days ago. I was rather hoping for more people to respond. When my brother snapped this photo 46 years ago he was looking at a very unique ferry, something that would have been of great interest to ferry geeks of the time. I will give the whole story tomorrow...
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 24, 2016 10:17:21 GMT -8
When the Queen of Esquimalt was stretched in the winter/spring of 1969 she went back into service looking like this ... This photo of the Esquimalt graced the cover of the Queen of Victoria's Sun Deck Dining Room menu. Those upper deck restaurants were a new feature with the stretched Queens on route 1. Although she was stretched she did not initially get the other cosmetic changes that were made to all of the other sisters at the time of stretching. By that I mean the raised funnel & tapered plating above the wheelhouse extending back to the main mast that gave these ships a semi-streamlined appearance. So the Mr. DOT photo shown in the post above from May of 1970 is not the Esquimalt, but rather the second vessel to be stretched, the Queen of Victoria. That photo was obviously taken within days of the Victoria returning to service following the stretch operation. This would also have been maybe 10 weeks before the Victoria had her unfortunate encounter with a Russian freighter. I have been unable to find the actual date that she went back into service but it must have been during May 1970. The longer vessel, with this 'streamlined' look, surely must have turned heads at the time. Of course all seven of these sisters over the next few years were modified to look this way and the Esquimalt was retrofitted as well (date I don't know, but probably later in 1970 or 71) . This 'look' became the trade mark appearance of the Seven Sisters vessels (what some call the V & B classes). It lives on still with the queens of Burnaby & Nanaimo. The Queen of Victoria was the first vessel to have this 'look'.
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Post by EGfleet on Mar 26, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -8
Dated June of 1975. Any guesses as to which one this might be?
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 26, 2016 10:38:53 GMT -8
Dated June of 1975. Any guesses as to which one this might be? No ventilators visible that protrude up from the aft end 'roof' of the Sun Deck restaurant. The Esquimalt & Saanich had those ventilators; the Vic & Van did not. Further, these are not the 'B' version of the 'Seven Sisters'. So, I believe this to be the Vancouver, based on the name length. But, there is one very large problem, I can't see the three lowered wheelhouse windows that I ought to be able to see if this is indeed the Vancouver (or Victoria). Those windows are tell-tale signs, just the same as those ventilators. Any chance of a hi-res scan?
Edit: After further study I think this is the Esquimalt due to name length & wheelhouse windows. The Esquimalt should have one ventilator visible toward the stern, but where is it?
Final answer: Your photo is of the Saanich. I will explain why & produce a photo of my own, shortly
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 26, 2016 13:47:21 GMT -8
A follow-up to my post above. Here is the Queen of Saanich on 2 June 1972. It had no sundeck ventilator at that time. It also has two 'port hole type' windows to the aft of the large sun deck restaurant windows. In that location the Esquimalt had a ladder to get up on the roof, & it did have a ventilator right from Day 1 following its 1969 stretching. Notice the Canadian flag at the stern appears to be at half mast. I did a Google search trying to figure out who had died at that time. See this, in particular the entry for May 28th ... Could it be that Wallis's husband is the reason for that lowered flag? If anyone knows the precise location of this photo please let me know. The Saanich was Swartz Bay bound in this photo. I was heading for the mainland with the Mount Douglas High School track team. We were going to YVR to catch a flight to Kelowna for the BC High Schools track & field championships. Queen of Saanich, Southern Gulf Islands - 2 June 1972 Another Saanich shot from less than a month later ... Queen of Saanich off the NE side of Active Pass - 28 June 1972 Both photos © WCK-JST - FujiChrome by Jim Thorne, on Flickr
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Post by EGfleet on Mar 28, 2016 12:23:48 GMT -8
Another slide shot, from right around the same time... taken from the Queen of Saanich (readable on the bell) with the Sechelt Queen in the distance...but I can't quite make out who is following the Saanich.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 28, 2016 19:17:46 GMT -8
The approaching V-class vessel is either the Victoria or Vancouver based on the ID-ing feature of the three lowered windows in the centre part of the wheelhouse. I believe that this is the Vancouver simply because the vessel name (though indistinct) appears to be longer, hence Vancouver rather than Victoria.
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Post by FNS on Mar 28, 2016 19:50:45 GMT -8
Its time again to play Name that Boat, the WCFF's ever popular guessing game .... Please see original post above ...Now over to you ... The vessel pictured here was unique at the time of the photo. Only one of the '7 Sisters' looked this way. Which one is it, and tell us why? © Mr. DOT by mrdot., on Flickr So far just two of you have responded to my original post of a few days ago. I was rather hoping for more people to respond. When my brother snapped this photo 46 years ago he was looking at a very unique ferry, something that would have been of great interest to ferry geeks of the time. I will give the whole story tomorrow... This was most likely the QUEEN OF VICTORIA. I believe she was the only one in her class to have a single support for the forward boom crane. All the others would get two.
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Post by FNS on Mar 28, 2016 19:54:16 GMT -8
Another slide shot, from right around the same time... taken from the Queen of Saanich (readable on the bell) with the Sechelt Queen in the distance...but I can't quite make out who is following the Saanich. QUEEN OF VICTORIA due to the single support for the forward boom crane. Also, she and the QUEEN OF VANCOUVER were the only ones sporting the flat face of the mechanical structure under their funnel.
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Post by mrdot on Mar 28, 2016 20:39:58 GMT -8
the Queen of Vancouver is denoted by her three lowered mid wheelhouse windows! mr.dot.
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Post by mrdot on Mar 28, 2016 20:48:50 GMT -8
I was on the re-delivery voyage of the first vessel to be stretched, the Queen of Esquimalt, abd the following year the second vessel was Queen of Victoria which was the first to get the raised funnel and new upper faring design work, the rest got the work done soon after, mr.dot.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 28, 2016 20:57:46 GMT -8
Another slide shot, from right around the same time... taken from the Queen of Saanich (readable on the bell) with the Sechelt Queen in the distance...but I can't quite make out who is following the Saanich. QUEEN OF VICTORIA due to the single support for the forward boom crane. Also, she and the QUEEN OF VANCOUVER were the only ones sporting the flat face of the mechanical structure under their funnel. FNS, can you expand on this a bit? What exactly are you referring to and where precisely is it located? I have been trying to be acquire the 'details' as to how to differentiate the Seven Sisters reliably from one another at all stages of their lives, and this clue you are referring to here is not clear to me.
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Post by FNS on Mar 29, 2016 1:09:00 GMT -8
QUEEN OF VICTORIA due to the single support for the forward boom crane. Also, she and the QUEEN OF VANCOUVER were the only ones sporting the flat face of the mechanical structure under their funnel. FNS, can you expand on this a bit? What exactly are you referring to and where precisely is it located? I have been trying to be acquire the 'details' as to how to differentiate the Seven Sisters reliably from one another at all stages of their lives, and this clue you are referring to here is not clear to me. When built, the Sun Deck would be supported at the outer sides by steel vertical supports that ran down to the Saloon Deck (not the rounded stanchions you see on old wooden ferries and the Princess liners et al) located between the railings. There were originally two boom cranes at each side (one fore and one aft at each side). From the first page in the QUEEN OF VICTORIA thread, we see this photo of the QUEEN OF VANCOUVER in the foreground and the QUEEN OF VICTORIA in the background. As you can see within the green circle, the VANCOUVER had two vertical supports holding up the forward boom crane while the VICTORIA had one. FULL PHOTO HERE. This is a rather nifty way to differ these otherwise identical twins apart without needing to see their names.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 29, 2016 15:10:08 GMT -8
When built, the Sun Deck would be supported at the outer sides by steel vertical supports that ran down to the Saloon Deck (not the rounded stanchions you see on old wooden ferries and the Princess liners et al) located between the railings. There were originally two boom cranes at each side (one fore and one aft at each side). From the first page in the QUEEN OF VICTORIA thread, we see this photo of the QUEEN OF VANCOUVER in the foreground and the QUEEN OF VICTORIA in the background. As you can see within the green circle, the VANCOUVER had two vertical supports holding up the forward boom crane while the VICTORIA had one. FULL PHOTO HERE. This is a rather nifty way to differ these otherwise identical twins apart without needing to see their names. Thank you for explaining that FNS! A little detail perhaps but very helpful in differentiating between ferries of the same class, especially ones that are now just memories... I take it that that was unique to Miss Vickie? The Saanich & Esquimalt, like Vancouver, had a double support?
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 15, 2016 20:54:23 GMT -8
And now its time to play 'Name that Ferry', again. Note, that for now just younger forum members should try & answer (If you are over 50, you have to wait!).Here is the seen:
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Post by westernflyer on Jul 16, 2016 21:09:46 GMT -8
It's got to be the QPR. The steps down from the bridge wing are a feature unique to her as far as I can tell. The curved transition from wing to bridge is another clue, and that must be the funnel in the left part of the image.
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Post by WettCoast on Jul 17, 2016 15:44:32 GMT -8
It's got to be the QPR. The steps down from the bridge wing are a feature unique to her as far as I can tell. The curved transition from wing to bridge is another clue, and that must be the funnel in the left part of the image. Mr westernflyer , I have to give you full marks on this one. It is indeed the QPR. It was a warm spring day on the 28th of April, 1979, and we had just left Prince Rupert for Vancouver Island. I was on my way to the west coast of the Island & my first encounter with the famous West Coast Trail ... As for the QPR, she used to sport some pretty fancy wooden signs, including the one here that reads "No Admittance to Passengers". Nowadays you would see a smaller red plastic sign reading "Crew Only". Ship's crew members continue, by and large, to be vigilant in their duty to keep the ship heading safely to its destination.
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 16, 2016 13:41:09 GMT -8
This was labeled as "Victoria." Not sure if that is because of the readable home port of it really is the Queen of Victoria.
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Post by Mike on Dec 16, 2016 19:38:27 GMT -8
There are no ventilation stacks above the cafeteria, so that does narrow it down to being the Victoria or the Vancouver.
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 16, 2016 21:20:26 GMT -8
It is the Victoria. I am basing this on the lack of ventilators above the aft lounge that was once a buffet, and the ID'g feature noted by FNS in this thread. See his entry about five up above this one ...
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