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Post by Kahloke on Jun 20, 2012 4:18:00 GMT -8
No exterior ladders between the pickle forks and the Sun Deck (other multi-passenger-deck ferries, like the Supers, Jumbos, and KDT ferries have exterior ladders that provide access between the pickle forks and the Sun Deck aboard those ones). You know, I never noticed that before until I looked closely at the plans just now. That's a glaring oversight on their part, IMO. Being able to access the sun deck from the pickle fork without having to go inside the cabin is a real plus.
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 20, 2012 5:03:48 GMT -8
The class name will be "Olympic". www.wsdot.wa.gov/News/2012/06/19_OlympicClassFerries.htmIt's a good choice, though I would prefer a class name in one of the local native languages it is certainly better that "Issaquah Mark II" or whatever it might have been. Since Olympic is the class name Quinault would be an excellent name for one of the first ferries given that the river is in the range and park and the name has a pretty hefty ferry history, to say the least. Though I certainly hope to see a few unusued or lesser used names appear. This is a great choice for the new class of ferries. I was going with a "Coastal" kind of class, though. You'll have to access the Sun Deck from inside the cabin areas aboard the new ferries, the same that you do aboard the BC "Coastal" Class. No exterior ladders between the pickle forks and the Sun Deck (other multi-passenger-deck ferries, like the Supers, Jumbos, and KDT ferries have exterior ladders that provide access between the pickle forks and the Sun Deck aboard those ones). I think the name choice of MV QUINAULT is out on this class, though, due to the retirement of the Steel-Electrics. We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a new MV QUINAULT II. Have to dig up some good Olympic Peninsula native names for these new ferries. I'd like to see another Quinault as well, but at last press release (though this was a number of years back, granted) they said all the Steel Electric names would be retired. These are the ones I'd like to see used, and they all have an Olympic Mountain connection--they all originate there. SOLDUC: The name means magic waters. SKOKOMISH: The name Skokomish means "river people" for the river which is the largest stream of fresh water in the region. It is related to the term Skaw-kaw-mish with the "kaw" meaning fresh water. QUILCENE: The tribal name means "saltwater people." Also a very successful ferry that sailed for Black Ball for many years and was one of the Anacortes-Sidney boats. QUILLAYUTE of QUILEUTE (Tribal spelling): "joining together of rivers." Although I have to admit, I'm not sure how the Quileute tribe would feel, given how their tribe and culture have been treated at the hands of the Twilight series. They may prefer to be skipped, although naming a ferry after them is certainly far more respectful than what Meyer did to them in the books/films. (Take a look here for a very interesting article on the misconceptions perpetuated at their expense: www.burkemuseum.org/truth_vs_twilight/)
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 20, 2012 6:44:45 GMT -8
I'd like to see another Quinault as well, but at last press release (though this was a number of years back, granted) they said all the Steel Electric names would be retired. These are the ones I'd like to see used, and they all have an Olympic Mountain connection--they all originate there. SOLDUC: The name means magic waters. SKOKOMISH: The name Skokomish means "river people" for the river which is the largest stream of fresh water in the region. It is related to the term Skaw-kaw-mish with the "kaw" meaning fresh water. QUILCENE: The tribal name means "saltwater people." Also a very successful ferry that sailed for Black Ball for many years and was one of the Anacortes-Sidney boats. QUILLAYUTE of QUILEUTE (Tribal spelling): "joining together of rivers." Although I have to admit, I'm not sure how the Quileute tribe would feel, given how their tribe and culture have been treated at the hands of the Twilight series. They may prefer to be skipped, although naming a ferry after them is certainly far more respectful than what Meyer did to them in the books/films. (Take a look here for a very interesting article on the misconceptions perpetuated at their expense: www.burkemuseum.org/truth_vs_twilight/) I don't see Skokomish being used, it could be too easily confused with the more common Washington name Snohomish. WSF wouldn't want the public going, "Now what's that new boat called again? Something that starts with an S, right? Oh yea, Snohomish sounds right!" I could see Solduc being used, it sounds like a sleek name. With Quilcene or Quillayute, I'm guessing it would be one or the other; the names are fairly similar. It'd probably be Solduc and Quillayute, or Solduc and Quilcene, not Quillayute and Quilcene.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Jun 20, 2012 7:56:47 GMT -8
As usual, I will always vouch for the name "Kehloken", even though because of its sad history, It will probably never be used.
As for the class of ships themselves, I really like the design! I'm really hoping they paint a green stripe on the funnel, unlike the Kwa-di Tabil class. Without it, the ships look a little too bare in my opinion!
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 20, 2012 8:43:25 GMT -8
As usual, I will always vouch for the name "Kehloken", even though because of its sad history, It will probably never be used. As for the class of ships themselves, I really like the design! I'm really hoping they paint a green stripe on the funnel, unlike the Kwa-di Tabil class. Without it, the ships look a little too bare in my opinion! The problem is, the names now have to be "sponsored." Individuals just can't suggest them--they have to have the backing of a town, tribe, city council or some such. This is what I was told when I suggested Enetai, Kehloken, Klahanie or Kulshan. If some civic group out there doesn't take up the cause, you can pretty much forget it.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 20, 2012 16:10:31 GMT -8
I don't see Skokomish being used, it could be too easily confused with the more common Washington name Snohomish. WSF wouldn't want the public going, "Now what's that new boat called again? Something that starts with an S, right? Oh yea, Snohomish sounds right!" We already had a Snohomish. ;D And I think if there were a confusion, it would be more with "Skykomish" than "Snohomish."
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jun 22, 2012 23:31:02 GMT -8
I'd like to see another Quinault as well, but at last press release (though this was a number of years back, granted) they said all the Steel Electric names would be retired. These are the ones I'd like to see used, and they all have an Olympic Mountain connection--they all originate there. SOLDUC: The name means magic waters. SKOKOMISH: The name Skokomish means "river people" for the river which is the largest stream of fresh water in the region. It is related to the term Skaw-kaw-mish with the "kaw" meaning fresh water. QUILCENE: The tribal name means "saltwater people." Also a very successful ferry that sailed for Black Ball for many years and was one of the Anacortes-Sidney boats. QUILLAYUTE of QUILEUTE (Tribal spelling): "joining together of rivers." Although I have to admit, I'm not sure how the Quileute tribe would feel, given how their tribe and culture have been treated at the hands of the Twilight series. They may prefer to be skipped, although naming a ferry after them is certainly far more respectful than what Meyer did to them in the books/films. (Take a look here for a very interesting article on the misconceptions perpetuated at their expense: www.burkemuseum.org/truth_vs_twilight/) I don't see Skokomish being used, it could be too easily confused with the more common Washington name Snohomish. WSF wouldn't want the public going, "Now what's that new boat called again? Something that starts with an S, right? Oh yea, Snohomish sounds right!" I could see Solduc being used, it sounds like a sleek name. With Quilcene or Quillayute, I'm guessing it would be one or the other; the names are fairly similar. It'd probably be Solduc and Quillayute, or Solduc and Quilcene, not Quillayute and Quilcene. I disagree with that assessment of the word "Snohomish" being a more common name than Skokomish. And with good factual reason. The Skokomish River is the largest river that feeds into Hood Canal and is one of the most popular salmon-producing rivers in the state aside from the Cowlitz. It is the most popular river for salmon fishing in the Puget Sound area and prior to the construction of the Lake Cushman Dam in 1929, it was the the largest river in the Puget Sound area in terms of flow volume and in salmon production. Until last December, I used to live two miles north of the Skokomish (did so for the last sixteen years; I still live within six miles of it) and every summer I would have to fight traffic from all the recreational fishing activity on the Skokomish from Highway 101 and Purdy Cutoff Road. That, and it's widespread fact that the Skokomish River is also the first river in Washington State to reach flood stage during any major rain event. News crews used to flock to its crossing under U.S. Highway 101 and and still go out to the valley roads to videotape all the salmon that would cross the roads in a flood event. I am not a tribal member of the Skokomish Tribe by any means but I will strongly disagree with anyone - with good reason - that deems the Skokomish a lesser-known term. It is actually quite the other way around. Now... As for names I would like to see? Since we're deeming these the Olympic Class... It would of course be against common naming conventions for WSF but I would like to see a Britannic Okay, that was a joke. And we'd be missing the most famous name of a more famous Olympic-class vessel, the R.M.S. Titanic... Personally, since these are 144-car ferries, they should use the names of the retiring 144s (e.g. the Supers).
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 23, 2012 5:30:46 GMT -8
Personally, since these are 144-car ferries, they should use the names of the retiring 144s (e.g. the Supers). How exactly do you propose to do that when the new 144's are going to be working with the current 144's for at least 10-15 years? You can't have two vessels of the same name working at the same time in the same fleet.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 23, 2012 5:34:17 GMT -8
I disagree with that assessment of the word "Snohomish" being a more common name than Skokomish. And with good factual reason. The Skokomish River is the largest river that feeds into Hood Canal and is one of the most popular salmon-producing rivers in the state aside from the Cowlitz. It is the most popular river for salmon fishing in the Puget Sound area and prior to the construction of the Lake Cushman Dam in 1929, it was the the largest river in the Puget Sound area in terms of flow volume and in salmon production. Until last December, I used to live two miles north of the Skokomish (did so for the last sixteen years; I still live within six miles of it) and every summer I would have to fight traffic from all the recreational fishing activity on the Skokomish from Highway 101 and Purdy Cutoff Road. That, and it's widespread fact that the Skokomish River is also the first river in Washington State to reach flood stage during any major rain event. News crews used to flock to its crossing under U.S. Highway 101 and and still go out to the valley roads to videotape all the salmon that would cross the roads in a flood event. I am not a tribal member of the Skokomish Tribe by any means but I will strongly disagree with anyone - with good reason - that deems the Skokomish a lesser-known term. It is actually quite the other way around. Really? Where is Skokomish County?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 23, 2012 7:22:13 GMT -8
Since we're deeming these the Olympic Class... It would of course be against common naming conventions for WSF but I would like to see a Britannic Okay, that was a joke. Nicely played, Steve. That was a good one. ;D
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Post by lmtengs on Jun 23, 2012 22:53:00 GMT -8
I disagree with that assessment of the word "Snohomish" being a more common name than Skokomish. And with good factual reason. The Skokomish River is the largest river that feeds into Hood Canal and is one of the most popular salmon-producing rivers in the state aside from the Cowlitz. It is the most popular river for salmon fishing in the Puget Sound area and prior to the construction of the Lake Cushman Dam in 1929, it was the the largest river in the Puget Sound area in terms of flow volume and in salmon production. Until last December, I used to live two miles north of the Skokomish (did so for the last sixteen years; I still live within six miles of it) and every summer I would have to fight traffic from all the recreational fishing activity on the Skokomish from Highway 101 and Purdy Cutoff Road. That, and it's widespread fact that the Skokomish River is also the first river in Washington State to reach flood stage during any major rain event. News crews used to flock to its crossing under U.S. Highway 101 and and still go out to the valley roads to videotape all the salmon that would cross the roads in a flood event. I am not a tribal member of the Skokomish Tribe by any means but I will strongly disagree with anyone - with good reason - that deems the Skokomish a lesser-known term. It is actually quite the other way around. Now... As for names I would like to see? Since we're deeming these the Olympic Class... It would of course be against common naming conventions for WSF but I would like to see a Britannic Okay, that was a joke. And we'd be missing the most famous name of a more famous Olympic-class vessel, the R.M.S. Titanic... Personally, since these are 144-car ferries, they should use the names of the retiring 144s (e.g. the Supers). Considering that I'd never even heard of the name Skokomish until people were discussing ferry names of the Kwa-di-tabaeofihfeqoqifh class ferries awhile back, but the name Snohomish pops up fairly often up here in Canada, be it on TV, on the web, or in adverts here and there, I have to keep to my statement that, at least outside of wherever you live, Snohomish is the more common name. Sure, the North Alouette River is always the first to breach its banks in Metro Vancouver, but who outside of Maple Ridge even knows the name? The Fraser River is the name people know.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jun 23, 2012 23:56:30 GMT -8
Hey, I try...
And the reference to naming the Olympic Class vessels using the same name as the Supers... Hey, a man can dream, can't he?
As for the Skokomish... The comment about "Where is Skokomish County" is irrelevant seeing as how the town, county and the river for that matter were named after the tribe. And the only reason it's more populous than the Skokomish is simply a matter of how the population density of Puget Sound happens to be.
The name Skokomish itself, still remains a very widespread name. The tribe is actually one of the most influential in Washington especially in terms of fisheries and native land development.
And if you search the joke "Why did the Salmon cross the road?" on Google, the Skokomish River and resultant news video coverage fills the first few pages of results.
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Post by chokai on Jun 30, 2012 11:17:21 GMT -8
WSDOT has posted a request for consulting services related to the LNG conversion of the Issaquahs. www.wsdot.wa.gov/Business/Consulting/Ads/Open/2012_Safety.htmThe supporting documentation provides details on how they intend to convert the boats and operate them. If you feel like reading 200+ pages. :-) Also includes some details on options with the new 144's.
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Post by Mike C on Jun 30, 2012 12:07:52 GMT -8
I am going to watch this one closely. BCF has expressed interest in converting several of our ships to LNG, so it will be interesting to see how WSF goes about it. Maybe something they should work together on.
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Post by FNS on Jul 10, 2012 8:19:55 GMT -8
Nichols Brothers Boat Builders has progressed really well on their part of the new "Olympic" - Class ferries. They're keeping a good photo journal of progress as they have 38 photos on their site now (at the time of this posting). www.nicholsboats.com/car-ferries-144-car-wa-ferry.html
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 10, 2012 19:13:49 GMT -8
Nichols Brothers Boat Builders has progressed really well on their part of the new "Olympic Mountains" - Class ferries! I thought it was the Olympic class, not the Olympic Mountain class.
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Post by FNS on Jul 10, 2012 22:24:04 GMT -8
Nichols Brothers Boat Builders has progressed really well on their part of the new "Olympic Mountains" - Class ferries! I thought it was the Olympic class, not the Olympic Mountain class. They are the "Olympic" - Class. I was being more descriptive of the meaning of what the class represents. Fixed. It's going to be interesting to see how these are shipped to VIGOR in Seattle for mating with the hull.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 15:56:07 GMT -8
Is WSF thinking of SOlASing one of the Olympic Class vessel's to operate the Anacortes-Sidney to replace the Chelan and to put Chelan on the Southworth-Fauntleroy-Vashon route? If, no, what routes will the Olympic class operate on?
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Post by chief on Jul 23, 2012 16:05:17 GMT -8
Hopefully a long route where the vessel spends more time underway than in the dock, and in replacement of a Super to take advantage of the greater fuel efficiency and smaller crews. Unfortunately these are not exclusively logic based decisions.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 23, 2012 16:44:08 GMT -8
Is WSF thinking of SOlASing one of the Olympic Class vessel's to operate the Anacortes-Sidney to Chelan and to put Chelan on the Southworth-Fauntleroy-Vashon route? If, no, what routes will the Olympic class operate on? WSF's long-term plan for vessel deployment does not show an Olympic Class vessel being deployed to Sidney between now and 2031. Of course, this plan is 3 years old now and probably does not bear too much resemblance to what will actually happen in the years to come. That said, if they ever DO deploy a New 144 on that route, I do not think it will be either of the first 2 vessels slated to enter service in 2014 and 2015. As to where they will be deployed, I've always heard that New 144's (Olympic Class) will be deployed to Clinton to bump much needed capacity on the Mukilteo-Clinton route, currently served by two 124 Issaquah Class vessels. In the short term, you would see 1 Olympic Class vessel, and one Issaquah-Class vessel. Eventually, 2 Olympic Class vessels would be placed there, and when I say eventually, I mean by 2030. I'm pretty sure the San Juans will get an Olympic Class boat, and I think Bremerton will eventually get one, too. It could be that the one slated for the San Juans will split its time between there and Bremerton, or who knows. Vessel deployment has not been finalized, as far as I know, and it can always change.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jul 23, 2012 17:25:55 GMT -8
Hello, everyone! I have returned! Anyway, getting back on topic, I have some ideas of where WSF may put their vessels once all the olympics are online. this list assumes: 1) four olympics are built. 2) all evergreens get the sack. 3) this list is based on a summer schedule. 4) they probably will not use the specific boats listed, but I assume they will use vessels of that class. Talequah: Chetzemoka Vashon: Elwha, Issaquah, Chelan Bremerton: Walla walla, Olympic 2 Bainbridge: Wenatchee, Tacoma Kingston: Puallup, Spokane Clinton: Olympic 1, Olympic 4 Coopville: Kennewick, Salish Anacordes: Yakima, Kalletain, Hyak International: Olympic 3 Inter-Island: Sealth Issaquas: sorry for the long post.
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Post by Kahloke on Jul 23, 2012 19:59:59 GMT -8
Hello, everyone! I have returned! Anyway, getting back on topic, I have some ideas of where WSF may put their vessels once all the olympics are online. this list assumes: 1) four olympics are built. 2) all evergreens get the sack. 3) this list is based on a summer schedule. 4) they probably will not use the specific boats listed, but I assume they will use vessels of that class. Talequah: Chetzemoka Vashon: Elwha, Issaquah, Chelan Bremerton: Walla walla, Olympic 2 Bainbridge: Wenatchee, Tacoma Kingston: Puallup, Spokane Clinton: Olympic 1, Olympic 4 Coopville: Kennewick, Salish Anacordes: Yakima, Kalletain, Hyak International: Olympic 3 Inter-Island: Sealth Issaquas: sorry for the long post. Interesting proposal. I don't think you would ever see Elwha at F-V-S - simply too large for that route. And, for deploying an Olympic Class vessel on the Sidney route, the last WSF long-range plan I saw, which was from about 3 years ago, doesn't show an Olympic Class vessel ever being deployed to that route. It's interesting, in the 2013-2025 time range, they show a Super Class (probably Elwha) being put back on Sidney for the summer, and in the 2025-2031 time frame, an Issaquah (Chelan most likely) serving Sidney. Keep in mind, this plan is 3 years old, and will be subject to much change in the coming years, so I figure anything can happen here. In the short term, after the first two Olympic Class vessels are built in 2014 and 2015, I could see this possible vessel assignment for the summer schedule: Point Defiance - Tahlequah: Chetzemoka Fauntleroy - Vashon - Southworth: Issaquah, Kittitas, Klahowya (or Tillikum) Seattle - Bremerton: Kaleetan, Walla Walla Seattle - Bainbridge: Tacoma, Wenatchee Edmonds - Kingston: Puyallup, Spokane Mukilteo - Clinton: Olympic Class #1, Cathlamet Port Townsend - Keystone: Kennewick, Salish Anacortes - San Juan Islands: Olympic Class #2, Hyak, Yakima Anacortes - Sidney: Chelan San Juan Inter Island: Sealth standby/maintenance reserve: Elwha, Kitsap, Tillikum (or Klahowya) retired: Evergreen State, Hiyu
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 14:31:22 GMT -8
Looks like the first Olympic class vessel while be in service by February 2014 to the emergency service plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 21:48:51 GMT -8
Hello, everyone! I have returned! Anyway, getting back on topic, I have some ideas of where WSF may put their vessels once all the olympics are online. this list assumes: 1) four olympics are built. 2) all evergreens get the sack. 3) this list is based on a summer schedule. 4) they probably will not use the specific boats listed, but I assume they will use vessels of that class. Talequah: Chetzemoka Vashon: Elwha, Issaquah, Chelan Bremerton: Walla walla, Olympic 2 Bainbridge: Wenatchee, Tacoma Kingston: Puallup, Spokane Clinton: Olympic 1, Olympic 4 Coopville: Kennewick, Salish Anacordes: Yakima, Kalletain, Hyak International: Olympic 3 Inter-Island: Sealth Issaquas: sorry for the long post. Interesting proposal. I don't think you would ever see Elwha at F-V-S - simply too large for that route. And, for deploying an Olympic Class vessel on the Sidney route, the last WSF long-range plan I saw, which was from about 3 years ago, doesn't show an Olympic Class vessel ever being deployed to that route. It's interesting, in the 2013-2025 time range, they show a Super Class (probably Elwha) being put back on Sidney for the summer, and in the 2025-2031 time frame, an Issaquah (Chelan most likely) serving Sidney. Keep in mind, this plan is 3 years old, and will be subject to much change in the coming years, so I figure anything can happen here. In the short term, after the first two Olympic Class vessels are built in 2014 and 2015, I could see this possible vessel assignment for the summer schedule: Point Defiance - Tahlequah: Chetzemoka Fauntleroy - Vashon - Southworth: Issaquah, Kittitas, Klahowya (or Tillikum) Seattle - Bremerton: Kaleetan, Walla Walla Seattle - Bainbridge: Tacoma, Wenatchee Edmonds - Kingston: Puyallup, Spokane Mukilteo - Clinton: Olympic Class #1, Cathlamet Port Townsend - Keystone: Kennewick, Salish Anacortes - San Juan Islands: Olympic Class #2, Hyak, Yakima Anacortes - Sidney: Chelan San Juan Inter Island: Sealth standby/maintenance reserve: Elwha, Kitsap, Tillikum (or Klahowya) retired: Evergreen State, Hiyu Here my idea of the plan that WSF should do. Point Defiance: Salish. F-V-S: Issaquah,Kittitas year round, Kitsap (Fall, winter, Spring), Klahowya (summer) Bremerton: Kaleetan (Daily), Elwha ( fall, winter Friday to Sunday) (Wednesday, Friday to Monday earlier spring and Late spring everyday)(summer takes the Walla Walla places operates daily) ( New Interior) year round plus Kitsap only during the summer. Walla Walla (Daily rest of the year excluding summer) Bainbridge: Puyallup, Wenatchee. Edmonds: Tacoma, Spokane year round plus Tillikum with a new interior (summers only) in the future a fourth Jumbo Mark II class ferry if of built. Mukilteo: Olympic Class #1, Cathlamet but when the third Olympic Class replace the Cathlamet and then keep Cathlamet for the third vessel summer only. Port Townsend: Kennewick, Chetzemoke. Anacortes - San Juan Island: Chelan (spring, summer only), Olmpic Class #2 (fall winter) Yakima, Hyak with a new interior year round and Walla Walla as the number one spot (summer only) Anacortes- Sidney: Olympic Class #2 (spring, summer), Chelan (Fall) San Jaun Inter-Island: Sealth Future route. Vashon - Southworth: Hiyu if stretched or Tillikum if Hiyu is retired. Maintence reserves and standby plus emergency replace:Tillikum(fall, winter, spring),Cathlamet (fall, winter, spring), Elwha (fall, winter, earlier spring), Klahowya (fall, winter, spring), Chelan (Fall winter), plus the Hiyu if stretched or put on a new route. Retired: Evergreen state, Hiyu if not stretched.New interior means interior like the Jumbo Mark II class.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Aug 8, 2012 17:18:20 GMT -8
Interesting, but quite complicated. what do you other ferrynuts think? Kahloke? Barnacle? FerrynutSeattle?
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