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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 9, 2008 17:59:12 GMT -8
Here's a service notice:
Posted March 09, 2008
Updated at 5:50 pm
Please be advised that the Coastal Renaissance is running approximately 40 minutes behind schedule.
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I suspect that we'll see a few of these in the next few weeks.
Spring-break (now there's a concept that's foreign to me) will likely be a good test of busy traffic for this new ship. It will be interesting to observe the on-time performance for C-Ren for that busy stretch of days.
Moderator note - Changed name.
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Post by cohocatcher on Mar 9, 2008 18:34:49 GMT -8
The CR is on her honeymoon. There are (obviously) kinks to be worked out that you just can't experience on "training runs".
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Post by ProudCanuck on Mar 9, 2008 22:28:24 GMT -8
Well... I guess that is better than being too quick on the honeymoon.
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Post by Hardy on Mar 10, 2008 1:01:09 GMT -8
Well... I guess that is better than being too quick on the honeymoon. The only problem is, the honeymoon has just started and she is already LATE!!!  6 mos from now (yes, accelerated gestation!) we'll have little FSG RHIBs ... Should I even mention, that while on honeymoon, she's been so popular, people have travelled from far afield (and far aPenticton) just to be ON her, and she's already been FULLY LOADED and AT CAPACITY??  Maybe I better stop the honeymoon analogies ... oh, hang on, the theory was working the kinks OUT, not working the kinks in --- mt bad, sorry!! ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by Dane on Mar 10, 2008 10:25:09 GMT -8
I have been reading through a lot of old posts on this board - and increasingly through old papers, books etc and there are very few, if any ships that seem to have had smooth sailings when they started service, there is a learning curve that no degree of training can make up for the realities of running a ferry service. The CR, NorAd, Kuper, FastCats, Cap/Cumb, Chilliwack, C's, all had issues with maintaining schedules coming into service, and with the exception of the Fast Cats they are all doing just fine now. I am sure in a few days everything will be back to normal, and of course delays will be regular as they are on Route 2 - just hopefully not wrongly attributed to the vessel!  |
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Post by queenofcowichan on Mar 10, 2008 10:58:01 GMT -8
Well, I Perhaps explain why she departed Departure Bay realy late on her 10:30am sailing which I was on. I went for my first ride to Horeshoe Bay.
They were having equipment problems with the New Hoist that loweres and raises the food containers from the side of the ship like the Spirit ships at Swartz Bay. I will post more about my trip in the comming days as I am currently busy uploading pictures and vids of the trip.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Mar 10, 2008 11:05:56 GMT -8
Interesting the CR is leaving port 6 to 8 minutes late. But arriving on time. Her extra speed gives her an advantage over her older C cousins. Nice to know there is that buffer there. I wonder if they are leaving later on purpose or whether if it is the new ship learning curve.
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Post by Balfour on Mar 10, 2008 11:47:35 GMT -8
I wonder if they are leaving later on purpose or whether if it is the new ship learning curve. I think the crew has now realized that they have time to quickly run to Troll's and take out some fish and chips  |
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 10, 2008 16:44:40 GMT -8
I think the biggest time eater is leaving/approaching the docks. She runs in mode 2 to be able to make the turn in/out of Horseshoe Bay and Departure Bay. I'd say she runs around 5-10 knots for these parts. But once she's clear of the bay as she's leaving, they let her rip. They just have some extra length to compensate for now as they make these big turns. It will be interesting to see just exactly how these ships work in Active Pass.
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Mar 10, 2008 17:58:41 GMT -8
The MV Coastal Renaissance left Horseshoe Bay 25 minutes late due to "Mechanical difficulties with terminal equipment"
I'm thinking it was probably "Crew went to Trolls restaurant for food and had to wait for a table"LOL
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Post by kerryssi on Mar 10, 2008 18:27:31 GMT -8
There are always glitches that don't show up during break in. I forget which super ferry it was that the sewer lines did not get connected up to the holding tanks. During the first day on the run the engine room got flooded with raw sewage. Not something that would show up on a trial run. Not something the company wanted to get out to the public.
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Post by Hardy on Mar 10, 2008 19:35:56 GMT -8
I forget which super ferry it was that the sewer lines did not get connected up to the holding tanks. During the first day on the run the engine room got flooded with raw sewage. Not something that would show up on a trial run. Not something the company wanted to get out to the public. I can almost hear the 'heads' roll when they found out who was responsible for THAT one. Pretty big OOPS, but as you say, without a full load of pax onboard, there is not really any way that someone would have said "hey, let's go test flush all the toilets to make sure the sewer line is connected!"  I empathize with the engineers that were down there when this 'started' to happen -- must have been horrible to clean that one up!! |
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Post by DENelson83 on Mar 11, 2008 13:48:50 GMT -8
Hmmm... A few extra "operational delays" today on board the CR. But what exactly does "operational delay" mean?
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Post by queenofcowichan on Mar 11, 2008 15:17:29 GMT -8
COASTAL RENAISSANCE NEAR MISS!
Well, The Coastal Renaissance nearly had her first mishap on my ride over to Horseshoe Bay on Sunday. I was sitting up forward in the Sitka Lounge when I watched a Yacht pass in Front of us a fair distance away between Passage Island and over towards Horseshoe Bay. A few minutes later there was a few short blast from the ship's horn. This stupid fool decided to turn to Starboard and head straight into our path. Thankfully He got smart and changed his course passing us Port to Port adverting a potiential collision.
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Post by ferryking on Mar 11, 2008 22:41:36 GMT -8
from operational delays to a crossing that only took 1 hour 31 min ...assuming that the departures and arrivals page is accurate, CR left HB at 9.06pm and arrived in DB at 9.37pm. The best time the OB did today was 1 hour 34min but most of the times were 1h37m or higher.
So the CR can go go when she needs to ro ro...
ok that was bad but so what...
be interesting to see if 1h30m can be beaten or maybe it already has.
or has any of the OB or others done the route faster...excluding the Cats of course...
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Post by Hardy on Mar 12, 2008 19:30:33 GMT -8
Oh, I am sure that they could "put the peddle to the metal" and get there quicker, but the engines on the C's are optimized for a certain speed given their hullform. That is what dictates their service speed. Sea conditions and wind play into this as well, but there is a performance plateau for any vessel where you reach optimum performance. After that, fuel consumed versus speed grows in an exponential manner rendering the minimal gain in speed not worth the massive expenditure of fuel to achieve it. Could a C do Rte-2 in 1:20? Sure, under the right conditions, and so long as efficiency was not an issue. Might also rush the departure and approach guidelines a bit and basically "lay a patch" on the way out of the terminal and then come in "hard and fast" for arrival. Won't be a particularly smooth ride, but you can cut the time down.
That being said, if a C could do it in 1:20 or better, then a Coastal could probably chop it to 1:05-1:10 ... but again, same trade offs...
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 13, 2008 7:41:31 GMT -8
And don't forget, the bigger the ship, the harder it is to get it stopped... we have boats that are heavy enough that even in an unobstructed harbour on a straight line approach, we still have to begin slowing over a half-mile away.
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Post by guest on Mar 13, 2008 16:23:20 GMT -8
does the Coastal Renaissance have wireless internet?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Mar 13, 2008 16:56:46 GMT -8
She was suppose to have wireless internet but she dosent have it as of yet. I dont know what is going on with that as most people now a days have lap tops.
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 13, 2008 19:03:26 GMT -8
Has anyone noticed all of the recent 3M applications on the interior of the ship now? I'm certain alot of these were applied sometime between the Victoria Open House and the maiden voyage. In one of the corners on Deck 6 where the staircases from Deck 5 meet up to Deck 6, there was a 180 degree panoramic view of False Creek. There was even a few applications on the floor, of her leaving Germany (the same photo on the front page of the BCF website).
This morning as I was driving into Vancouver, I found it neat seeing the Coastal Renaissance exiting Queen Charlotte Channel out to the Strait of Georgia from the Upper Levels Highway on her 8:30am sailing.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Mar 14, 2008 17:24:03 GMT -8
YES, and I even got a picture of it too. I went for a ride on the Oak Bay's 8:30 am sailing and the Renaissance's 12:30 sailing today, I am way too tired to upload pictures and vids today, but I did find the Queen's portrait on the Renaissance, it is located above the phones near the Gift shop on the top passenger deck. picts coming soon, did pass Q of Esquimalt.
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Post by DENelson83 on Mar 15, 2008 0:46:06 GMT -8
I certainly noticed the 3M appliqués as well. PK and I took a picture of one in the Coastal Café serving line.
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 15, 2008 3:19:13 GMT -8
Has anyone noticed all of the recent 3M applications on the interior of the ship now? That seems to be quite the rage on our ferries these days. WSF has started applying graphics like that on the Tacoma and Wenatchee in the form of advertising. They have applications on the walls and doors, and I think they may even have one or two on the floor - certainly Colman Dock has a couple on the floor. Right now they are advertising for Lufthansa - I suppose that is because Lufthansa is starting non-stop Frankfurt to Seattle service soon. Still, it's kind of humourous to me to see Lufthansa ads all over a Washington State Ferry. I should take a picture, while they are still up, and send one to Marcus ;D |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Mar 15, 2008 7:14:58 GMT -8
This new advertising venue is the rage everywhere. Started with the sides of buses and transport trucks. Now on trains, streetcars, and even buildings. You see hybrid paint schemes on Air Canada aircraft with a decal on the tail with the new colour scheme and the old paint on the fuselage.
It is starting to hit the floors of shopping malls, streets (in summer), airport floors and all sorts of applications. The ability to sell them for a defined period of time and remove them and replace them easily before they wear is really a benefit. I saw a mock-up of one for the floor of a boat (will try to see if anyone is using it) that looked like waves so it looked like the floor was glass. Sometimes it isn't even about the application or where it is itself but rather if it is creative enough the media attention it gets.
Lufthansa's agency obviously has determined that commuters are the right demographic to use their service to Frankfurt. If you think about BC Ferries and the tourists who ride on it, the regular customers and the occasional customers, it could be a very interesting new media for tourist attractions and restaurants etc. White Spot, the Museums in Victoria, sports teams, kids theatre productions (a la Beauty and the Beast). I can hear the kids now "ooooooh Daddy can we go please!!
Great way to highlight BC products. So if we can't have Granville Island brew of the month at least advertise it that way.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Mar 15, 2008 12:11:05 GMT -8
On time performance of her is very poor. I've been checking on the Departure and Arrival section, she can do the sailings in 1 hour and 35 minutes, but she is taking 40 minutes to turn around in some cases which does not help in the make up time department. Can she actually do the run in 1 hour and 20 minutes if they floored it through Howe Sound and across the Strait at 22 knots?
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