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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 21:13:44 GMT -8
Brand new as of now the Coastal Celebration is being permanently reassigned to Route 30 As the Coastal Inspiration has more hours on her engines and the Celebration is underutilized so this is not happening immediately I have been told that it will most probably be happening within a few months, I have been told that as any person who knows the ferries are wondering what about the buffet and the fact is that it is highly unlikely that BC Ferries is going to open it for very good reasons so that is not even a concern for anyone when the swap happens.cheers😊
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 19, 2020 22:11:20 GMT -8
Brand new as of now the Coastal Celebration is being permanently reassigned to Route 30 As the Coastal Inspiration has more hours on her engines and the Celebration is underutilized so this is not happening immediately I have been told that it will most probably be happening within a few months, I have been told that as any person who knows the ferries are wondering what about the buffet and the fact is that it is highly unlikely that BC Ferries is going to open it for very good reasons so that is not even a concern for anyone when the swap happens.cheers😊 When is this happening? I don’t see that happen because Coastal Celebration does see a lot of service than Coastal Renaissance. It kinda seems odd to randomly switch these vessels. If two vessel swap I could see the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Renaissance swapping routes because Coastal Renaissance is barely used during off peak season while Coastal Celebration does see four sailing in off peak season on certain and more sailing during shoulder and peak season.
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Post by cbachmeier on Dec 19, 2020 22:18:02 GMT -8
Brand new as of now the Coastal Celebration is being permanently reassigned to Route 30 As the Coastal Inspiration has more hours on her engines and the Celebration is underutilized so this is not happening immediately I have been told that it will most probably be happening within a few months, I have been told that as any person who knows the ferries are wondering what about the buffet and the fact is that it is highly unlikely that BC Ferries is going to open it for very good reasons so that is not even a concern for anyone when the swap happens.cheers😊 Yeah because both the MV Queen of New Westminster and MV Coastal Celebration only operate on certain days or certain times of the year, and often the MV Coastal Celebration would often be sitting at Swartz Bay for days and weeks at a time. Some times they would have sailing schedules like 9:00 A.M, 10:00 A.M, 11:00 A.M, and then skip the 12:00 P.M sailing and have a 1:00 P.M sailing, so because of that there are many days the MV Coastal Celebration would only get 2 sailings, one to Swartz Bay and the other one to Tsawwassen. Unlike the MV Coastal Inspiration which would get much more sailing time overall on the Tsawwassen to Duke Point route.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 19, 2020 22:26:11 GMT -8
Brand new as of now the Coastal Celebration is being permanently reassigned to Route 30 As the Coastal Inspiration has more hours on her engines and the Celebration is underutilized so this is not happening immediately I have been told that it will most probably be happening within a few months, I have been told that as any person who knows the ferries are wondering what about the buffet and the fact is that it is highly unlikely that BC Ferries is going to open it for very good reasons so that is not even a concern for anyone when the swap happens.cheers😊 Yeah because both the MV Queen of New Westminster and MV Coastal Celebration only operate on certain days or certain times of the year, and often the MV Coastal Celebration would often be sitting at Swartz Bay for days and weeks at a time. Some times they would have sailing schedules like 9:00 A.M, 10:00 A.M, 11:00 A.M, and then skip the 12:00 P.M sailing and have a 1:00 P.M sailing, so because of that there are many days the MV Coastal Celebration would only get 2 sailings, one to Swartz Bay and the other one to Tsawwassen. Unlike the MV Coastal Inspiration which would get much more sailing time overall on the Tsawwassen to Duke Point route. But Coastal Celebration does see full service in peak season and certain days during the rest year, but in winter she is does do only four sailing on Friday and Sunday. I could see Coastal Renaissance and Coastal Inspiration because Coastal Renaissance barely sees service after Thanksgiving until June.
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Post by cbachmeier on Dec 20, 2020 0:24:06 GMT -8
Yeah because both the MV Queen of New Westminster and MV Coastal Celebration only operate on certain days or certain times of the year, and often the MV Coastal Celebration would often be sitting at Swartz Bay for days and weeks at a time. Some times they would have sailing schedules like 9:00 A.M, 10:00 A.M, 11:00 A.M, and then skip the 12:00 P.M sailing and have a 1:00 P.M sailing, so because of that there are many days the MV Coastal Celebration would only get 2 sailings, one to Swartz Bay and the other one to Tsawwassen. Unlike the MV Coastal Inspiration which would get much more sailing time overall on the Tsawwassen to Duke Point route. But Coastal Celebration does see full service in peak season and certain days during the rest year, but in winter she is does do only four sailing on Friday and Sunday. I could see Coastal Renaissance and Coastal Inspiration because Coastal Renaissance barely sees service after Thanksgiving until June. Sorry what I meant was that MV Coastal Celebration and MV Queen of New Westminster operate 4 sailings a day during the summer and sometimes during the fall and winter, but there are days and weeks where neither the MV Queen of New Westminster or the MV Coastal Celebration are in use on the Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay route, if that makes sense.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 20, 2020 0:49:19 GMT -8
But Coastal Celebration does see full service in peak season and certain days during the rest year, but in winter she is does do only four sailing on Friday and Sunday. I could see Coastal Renaissance and Coastal Inspiration because Coastal Renaissance barely sees service after Thanksgiving until June. Sorry what I meant was that MV Coastal Celebration and MV Queen of New Westminster operate 4 sailings a day during the summer and sometimes during the fall and winter, but there are days and weeks where neither the MV Queen of New Westminster or the MV Coastal Celebration are in use on the Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay route, if that makes sense. No, the secondary vessels on route 1 get 7 to 9 sailings a day during the summer season except in 2020. In the off peak yes they are a tried up some of time but a least Coastal Celebration still sees an regular schedule.
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Post by cbachmeier on Dec 20, 2020 1:10:34 GMT -8
Sorry what I meant was that MV Coastal Celebration and MV Queen of New Westminster operate 4 sailings a day during the summer and sometimes during the fall and winter, but there are days and weeks where neither the MV Queen of New Westminster or the MV Coastal Celebration are in use on the Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay route, if that makes sense. No, the secondary vessels on route 1 get 7 to 9 sailings a day during the summer season except in 2020. In the off peak yes they are a tried up some of time but a least Coastal Celebration still sees an regular schedule. Yes, sorry I have not been onboard since January 2020 because of US Canada Border restrictions, so I do not know how this year looks with the sailings and all, but last winter as you said they were tied up some of the time, and during off peak 2019-2020 it was that way but as you said 2020 is a completely different system with schedules and all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 19:44:15 GMT -8
The plan is set in motion because of the Pandemic the decision is final given that the Buffet was the only real reason for not reassigning the Coastal Celebration with the Inspiration it's a go ahead they are hoping to have it completed by the time the Salish Class #4 arrives but they Are not going to rush it but as of currently The decision is 100% a go ahead given the fact that the Inspiration has more hours on her engines than both the Rennisance and Celebration combined so if you can't believe a engineers word then I doubt that you can really trust anyone who has up to date info, as for other reasons it also has to do with a still in planning MLU for the Coastals and if a re engineing is going to be considered the Coastal Celebration needs alot more hours on her engines to be considered. Cheers 😁
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Feb 3, 2021 20:24:18 GMT -8
The plan is set in motion because of the Pandemic the decision is final given that the Buffet was the only real reason for not reassigning the Coastal Celebration with the Inspiration it's a go ahead they are hoping to have it completed by the time the Salish Class #4 arrives but they Are not going to rush it but as of currently The decision is 100% a go ahead given the fact that the Inspiration has more hours on her engines than both the Rennisance and Celebration combined so if you can't believe a engineers word then I doubt that you can really trust anyone who has up to date info, as for other reasons it also has to do with a still in planning MLU for the Coastals and if a re engineing is going to be considered the Coastal Celebration needs alot more hours on her engines to be considered. Cheers 😁 I still don’t believe you since they could do anytime they please, which they haven’t done, and waiting for fourth Salish will doesn’t effect this change nor capacity of route 1. Who know the buffet may change into full service restaurants which the Coastal Celebration is only Coastal that is currently set up for it. I still think it makes to switch routes with Coastal Renaissance since she now has so much down time. Can anyone other members confirm that it’s happening?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 9, 2021 21:59:20 GMT -8
I still don’t understand the logic in BC Ferries fleet maintenance personnel about swapping the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Celebration routes but it will take place on June 19 according the reservation page. Hopefully the reservation page is wrong because it doesn’t seem needed but a waste money on moving the vessels around for no money.
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Post by Neil on Mar 9, 2021 22:55:13 GMT -8
I still don’t understand the logic in BC Ferries fleet maintenance personnel about swapping the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Celebration routes but it will take place on June 19 according the reservation page. Hopefully the reservation page is wrong because it doesn’t seem needed but a waste money on moving the vessels around for no money. I don't get it either- if it happens- but us lay people have to keep in mind that there are all sorts of operational, crewing, and engineering issues involved in fleet utilization that we're just not privy to. Most likely, there's nothing that WCFF members could bring up that would cause Mark Collins to smack his forehead and say, "Gawd, why didn't I think of that!?"
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 9, 2021 23:04:26 GMT -8
I still don’t understand the logic in BC Ferries fleet maintenance personnel about swapping the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Celebration routes but it will take place on June 19 according the reservation page. Hopefully the reservation page is wrong because it doesn’t seem needed but a waste money on moving the vessels around for no money. I don't get it either- if it happens- but us lay people have to keep in mind that there are all sorts of operational, crewing, and engineering issues involved in fleet utilization that we're just not privy to. But we haven’t seen that type change with other class of vessels in the fleet except the Salish Class so, I wonder what makes Coastal special to swap routes.
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Post by Dane on Mar 9, 2021 23:05:29 GMT -8
But... Buffet?
I'm assuming that the buffet will reopen this summer at some point. I can't really see the Inspiration having it installed though? Hope I'm wrong!
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 9, 2021 23:10:02 GMT -8
But... Buffet? I'm assuming that the buffet will reopen this summer at some point. I can't really see the Inspiration having it installed though? Hope I'm wrong! I agree not unless Coastal Renaissance also gets buffet because aren’t the Sitka Coffee Place design to be converted into Pacific Buffet. Maybe all the Coastals will end up with Pacific Buffets just for route 1 which seems like a waste space for other routes not unless route 2 gets Pacific Buffet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 1:47:34 GMT -8
Do you guys not get that until the pandemic is over the buffet is Never opening the Coastals have been designed to operate and interchange routes the Spirits buffet has been a crew lounge since the pandemic so I really don't see why anyone could even assume the buffet even opening as a public lounge at this point so it is better that Route 1 gets the extra space that the Inspiration offers with the Sitka coffee shop and Route 30 gets the Celebration which will probably be slightly better suited there because of the buffet closure.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 10, 2021 8:43:43 GMT -8
Do you guys not get that until the pandemic is over the buffet is Never opening the Coastals have been designed to operate and interchange routes the Spirits buffet has been a crew lounge since the pandemic so I really don't see why anyone could even assume the buffet even opening as a public lounge at this point so it is better that Route 1 gets the extra space that the Inspiration offers with the Sitka coffee shop and Route 30 gets the Celebration which will probably be slightly better suited there because of the buffet closure. I remember reading that BC Ferries has has reopen the buffet to public for additional seating. I getting the opposite from BC Ferries that buffet is going to reopen in the future because of FAQs for new fare saver. I don’t get why they would put the last part if they don’t intend to reopen those amenities after COVID 19 is done. No where has any BC Ferries manager have said the Coastal are in interchangeable due amenity on Coastal Celebration that exclusive to route 1. If BC Ferries does open the buffet is summer I bet there switch again to bring Coastal Celebration back to route 1 or just stays on route 1 if they know before switch.
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Post by Nick on Mar 10, 2021 17:23:36 GMT -8
I still don’t understand the logic in BC Ferries fleet maintenance personnel about swapping the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Celebration routes but it will take place on June 19 according the reservation page. Hopefully the reservation page is wrong because it doesn’t seem needed but a waste money on moving the vessels around for no money. Operating hours on machinery. The Inspiration has a roughly 20 hour operational day, and she's a primary route vessel meaning she runs all year round minus maintenance periods. The Celebration runs at most 16 hours per day, most days 8 or 12. Also, she runs as the #2 vessel on the route, so over the course of the year she might have 8 months operational, as a ballpark figure?
Over the course of the year, the Inspiration will put on 6600 hours, compared to the Celebration's 3000 using the above figures.
Hours matter: Engine overhauls are done on an hourly basis. Depending on the manufacturer, 10-20000 hrs is common on a modern medium speed diesel (Lower for high performance engines like MTU, higher for basic "normal output" engines).
An engine overhaul on an MaK will run in the range of $500k, plus labour, and usually takes about 3 to 4 weeks to complete. Per engine. The expected lifespan varies widely, but properly maintained 100k+ hours is not unreasonable. Back of the napkin math states that if they keep the CI on route 30, they can expect to re-engine in another 10 years. If they cycle them around, they can stretch that out to 20 years.
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Post by Neil on Mar 11, 2021 20:47:32 GMT -8
I still don’t understand the logic in BC Ferries fleet maintenance personnel about swapping the Coastal Inspiration and Coastal Celebration routes but it will take place on June 19 according the reservation page. Hopefully the reservation page is wrong because it doesn’t seem needed but a waste money on moving the vessels around for no money. Operating hours on machinery. The Inspiration has a roughly 20 hour operational day, and she's a primary route vessel meaning she runs all year round minus maintenance periods. The Celebration runs at most 16 hours per day, most days 8 or 12. Also, she runs as the #2 vessel on the route, so over the course of the year she might have 8 months operational, as a ballpark figure?
Over the course of the year, the Inspiration will put on 6600 hours, compared to the Celebration's 3000 using the above figures.
Hours matter: Engine overhauls are done on an hourly basis. Depending on the manufacturer, 10-20000 hrs is common on a modern medium speed diesel (Lower for high performance engines like MTU, higher for basic "normal output" engines).
An engine overhaul on an MaK will run in the range of $500k, plus labour, and usually takes about 3 to 4 weeks to complete. Per engine. The expected lifespan varies widely, but properly maintained 100k+ hours is not unreasonable. Back of the napkin math states that if they keep the CI on route 30, they can expect to re-engine in another 10 years. If they cycle them around, they can stretch that out to 20 years.
Nick, I'm still not quite clear on the logic of shifting vessels to 'even up' hours on the engines. An overhaul is necessary at a certain stage of operations... seems to me that the two vessels will log a total of hours, between them, over a given time, no matter how it's distributed, and one will have to be overhauled either at the same time as the other, or well in advance of the other. Six of one, half a dozen of the other... or am I missing something?
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Post by Nick on Mar 12, 2021 11:39:02 GMT -8
Operating hours on machinery. The Inspiration has a roughly 20 hour operational day, and she's a primary route vessel meaning she runs all year round minus maintenance periods. The Celebration runs at most 16 hours per day, most days 8 or 12. Also, she runs as the #2 vessel on the route, so over the course of the year she might have 8 months operational, as a ballpark figure?
Over the course of the year, the Inspiration will put on 6600 hours, compared to the Celebration's 3000 using the above figures.
Hours matter: Engine overhauls are done on an hourly basis. Depending on the manufacturer, 10-20000 hrs is common on a modern medium speed diesel (Lower for high performance engines like MTU, higher for basic "normal output" engines).
An engine overhaul on an MaK will run in the range of $500k, plus labour, and usually takes about 3 to 4 weeks to complete. Per engine. The expected lifespan varies widely, but properly maintained 100k+ hours is not unreasonable. Back of the napkin math states that if they keep the CI on route 30, they can expect to re-engine in another 10 years. If they cycle them around, they can stretch that out to 20 years.
Nick, I'm still not quite clear on the logic of shifting vessels to 'even up' hours on the engines. An overhaul is necessary at a certain stage of operations... seems to me that the two vessels will log a total of hours, between them, over a given time, no matter how it's distributed, and one will have to be overhauled either at the same time as the other, or well in advance of the other. Six of one, half a dozen of the other... or am I missing something? I probably wasn't so clear. You're right... the total number of overhauls won't change, as that is directly related to the number of hours accumulated. What will change is the lifespan of the engine. If they keep operating the CI as current, they will have to think about re-powering by 2025. By switching them around, they can stretch that out until 2030 or later, albeit BOTH CC and CI (and probably CR at that time too) will have to be done.
Operating a class of vessels is usually easiest if they can be kept in a roughly equivalent state of repair/condition. All the major capital projects/refits can be done at the same time, using the same contractors.
We're running into this same problem with the CG Hero Class vessels, where the Western region is putting waaay more hours and miles on our boats than the Eastern and Central regions, mostly because we run them all year round (no ice...). Despite being the last constructed in the class of 9, the CCGS Captain Goddard has the 2nd most hours - in fact almost double the hours of boat no. 1, CCGS Private Robertson.
This disparity is causing us to deal with problems as they arise, and we're usually first to do any major work. In fact, Ottawa's official response to any problems that arise are usually modeled after the work we've already done, because we encountered the issue first.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 10, 2021 17:56:34 GMT -8
Coastal Inspiration is going to be out service on May 25 to June 25 probably for preparation for Swartz Bay to Tsawwassen. I wonder if her blue line will be shown like her sister and to get deck 6 ready for passengers?
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Post by Dane on May 12, 2021 7:16:18 GMT -8
Pandemic notwithstanding, the loss of the buffet really is a unfortunate change.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 12, 2021 22:59:17 GMT -8
Pandemic notwithstanding, the loss of the buffet really is a unfortunate change. I could see Pacific Buffet (restaurant) being added to the Coastal Renaissance and Coastal Inspiration during the mid-life rebuild, the restaurant could be open on route 2 and 30 on these vessels.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 23, 2021 23:20:32 GMT -8
Coastal Inspiration will be staying on route 30 this summer.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 21, 2022 20:21:37 GMT -8
I think Coastal Inspiration just swap roles with the Coastal Renaissance and don’t have Queen of Alberni on Departure Bay route. This will also help reduce engine time and gave her sister more engine time.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 22, 2022 22:30:39 GMT -8
Coastal Inspiration looking in need of a little TLC, @ Tsawwassen Terminal 8 February 2022
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