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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 31, 2010 21:47:34 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 31, 2010 22:03:02 GMT -8
Will the design of her watertight doors going to be changed, or are they just going to work on them a bit?
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Post by Quatchi on Oct 31, 2010 22:33:01 GMT -8
Well seeing as she already has one watertight door. I am assuming they may do some upgrades to it and then install another in the "B' end.
But, uhm, usually the design of a watertight is such that it prevents water from going from an area exposed to water to an area where you would like water to stay out, generally for life safety, and stability reasons in a vessel that operates in rougher seas or is stricken.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 17, 2010 15:54:32 GMT -8
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Post by Koastal Karl on Nov 17, 2010 16:19:44 GMT -8
Cause she probably shakes too much while underway, lol!
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Post by Quatchi on Nov 17, 2010 22:50:40 GMT -8
I wonder if there doing this so they can keep her running as a double-ender instead of having to switch directions all the time so the watertight door is always forward.
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Post by Curtis on Nov 17, 2010 23:59:47 GMT -8
Perhaps, you're right, Brett. Considering nobody is allowed on the Car Deck on Route 7, where she acts as a double-ender, I'd call it a plausible theory. She really only needs that Watertight door in rough seas.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Nov 18, 2010 0:30:18 GMT -8
I wonder if there doing this so they can keep her running as a double-ender instead of having to switch directions all the time so the watertight door is always forward. Cheers, She is operating as a single ender on Route 17. She only uses the No. 2 end to discharge traffic at Westview. I think she is falling under the rules TC imposes on ships that are certified to sail in open water. In this case, the rule continues to apply even when she is used to relieve on the south coast. If she did not have this certification, there would likely be no issue with people remaining in their vehicles while serving any route on the south coast.
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Post by fargowolf on Nov 18, 2010 6:48:48 GMT -8
I thought it was against maritime law to allow passengers to ride on the vehicle decks, unless said decks also serve as a passenger deck.
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Post by Quatchi on Nov 18, 2010 18:40:27 GMT -8
She is operating as a single ender on Route 17. She only uses the No. 2 end to discharge traffic at Westview. I think she is falling under the rules TC imposes on ships that are certified to sail in open water. In this case, the rule continues to apply even when she is used to relieve on the south coast. If she did not have this certification, there would likely be no issue with people remaining in their vehicles while serving any route on the south coast. Maybe they aren't operating her as a single-ender anymore, but that actually might make sense, that they didn't have her re-registered for down south, because of the relatively limited use she will get therefore she still must meet up north regulations, under her current up north registration. So, I would assume her passenger count is down and crew count is up as well. I really want to go up there for a ride some time soon. Might be my last chance for some time. Cheers,
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Post by Neil on Nov 18, 2010 20:33:58 GMT -8
Maybe they aren't operating her as a single-ender anymore, but that actually might make sense, that they didn't have her re-registered for down south, because of the relatively limited use she will get therefore she still must meet up north regulations, under her current up north registration. So, I would assume her passenger count is down and crew count is up as well. I really want to go up there for a ride some time soon. Might be my last chance for some time. Cheers, I rode the hulk over to Powell River last Saturday. Definitely operating as a single ender. It confirmed for me once again that the ' Chilliwack is my least favorite ferry. Ugly as sin on the outside, washboard car deck, poor layout of passenger facilities with that one lounge, and cafeteria seating broken up into two areas, one of them ridiculously cramped, and with more non-public space than any other ferry owing to the entire upper deck being for crew in the summer. Not to mention slow as molasses and no doubt a pig on fuel. I'm curious as to why it approaches Powell River differently than the Queen of Burnaby. The ' Burnaby comes in with the dock to starboard. She then turns to starboard, coming parallel to shore, and inches past the dock before backing in. The ' Chilliwack came in with the dock to port side, then turned to port, going past the dock before coming to a stop, and then backing up while swinging full around 180 degrees to port and backing in. Seemed like a waste of fuel and time to me.
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Post by Quatchi on Nov 18, 2010 22:22:10 GMT -8
Neil the Chilliwack got better mileage on route 7 than the TSA did. So I am assuming that she then get better mileage than the Burnaby does.
The only reason I can think of the weird docking at Powel River is because of the limitations of RADs. She cannot put one prop in reverse while the other is in forward at the same end to slide the stern in sideways. She would have to have the forward rads facing backwards to slow the ship down while the stern RADs faced perpendicular to the hull to push the stern in. This offers very low response times to any problems. If they bring her in by going in a reverse circle they have much better control of the RADs and therefore her trajectory, so I'm assuming its a safety issue related to her having rads instead of shafts.
My theory at least.
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Post by kevins on Nov 19, 2010 17:41:40 GMT -8
The Chilliwack can continue to sail as a single compartment vessel as long as they keep the passenger count down, see regulation. I am not sure how a change in passenger count by 5 or 10 persons on each side of 400 makes the vessel any safer. Another TC regulation that makes no sense unless you are trying to keep an old ship running. ...................................................................................... STANDARD OF SUBDIVISION DEGRÉ DE COMPARTIMENTAGE 24. (1) Every Group A ship, whether or not specifically required by this section to meet at least a one-compartment standard of subdivision, shall be fitted with at least three transverse watertight bulkheads. 24. (1) Tout navire du groupe A, qu’il soit ou non aux termes du présent article expressément tenu d’être compartimenté au moins au degré dit « d’un comparti- ment », aura au moins trois cloisons étanches transver- sales. (2) Every Group A ship shall be subdivided as fol- lows: (a) if carrying more than 49 passengers and not more than 400, it shall be so subdivided that with any one main compartment flooded, the margin line will not be submerged .................................................................. from what I understand the watertight doors are they same watertight doors that were fitted to the car deck of the Queen of the North to keep any water on the car deck between the watertight barriers. The barriers on the Queen of the North went as high as approx 6 feet, not from the deck to deck head as required by a true watertight door. heiwaco.tripod.com/epunkt321.htmscroll down to see the photos of the car deck watertight door arrangement.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 19, 2010 19:18:12 GMT -8
The Chilliwack can continue to sail as a single compartment vessel as long as they keep the passenger count down, see regulation. Thanks Kevin. The half-height doors shown on that website are similar to the MacGregor doors that the QotN had. - So are you saying that the Chilliwack is getting these types of doors too? (when I first started reading your post, my mind was on "single ended ship", not "single compartment". silly me).
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 23, 2010 9:01:20 GMT -8
Warning: Picture-heavy...Two videos from the Queen of Chilliwack, taken on November 21st: Boarding at Little River... and disembarking at Westview... The video of me driving the QoChilly is posted on my facebook account. If you're not a facebook friend, yet still wish to see this video, PM me and I'll send a link. And now some photos from that trip... Approaching Little River. Fitting into the berth. "Pins Out" The number 2 end door. Looking towards #1 end. Looking towards #1 end, on the other side. The hoistable gallery deck. These were empty. I only had about 3 inches of headroom in here. A zillion photos of the lifesaving equipment plans... NOTE: Fire extinguishing Equipment plans are on my facebook album. PM me for links to those, if you'd like. The customer service desk, acting as a storage room. The rather small gift shop. Anyone even slightly overweight mightn't be able to move around the narrow aisle in there. Very tight squeeze for me and my camera case when I was looking for a postcard in there. I love these signs. A chart of the world, circa a looong time ago. George Vancouver's charting of the Central and South Coasts. And the same, but right up to Alaska. Her cafeteria. I love the 1990s styling. Her first-aid room. A cafeteria picture. Her recliner lounge. Many children were on-board, heading to some kind of sports tournament. The solarium was closed off. I took this photo through a small open window similar to the one about a foot to the right of the door on the far end. Looking down the deck towards Comox. Looking aft. Her wheelhouse and bridge wings. I wonder how many people actually would enter the cafeteria wearing nothing but boxers and tube-socks? Me being showed the ropes. Me driving. It was really fun. RADs are a bit weird to control when you're used to traditional rudder boats. The vector. It showes the degree of turn of each RAD. The #2 RAD is out of service right now. The #1 RAD is used only during the spin-arounds at terminals. Both sets of bridge-wing controls were closed off due to possible lead contamination. The covered bridge-wing. It's not heated. Looking aft from the covered bridge-wing. Some photos of equipment on the bridge... The ships' log. The #2 end wheelhouse. The view from the wheelhouse. Would this some kind of on-board seismic activity gauge? The button I wanted to press the entire time... The crew in the wheelhouse. This has likely already been posted, but.... The stereotypical lifering shot. I like that cherrywood colour in the stairwells. The #1 end doors. The crowd of footies waiting to stampede off. I never had a chance to explore where this led. Does it only go up to the gallery deck? Through the car-deck door. Getting closer... And, lowering the ramp. This was taken at the same time that I was filming the disembarkation video. From Highway 101. A perfect side-shot. The trip was great. I like the Chilliwack's design, unlike most of you out there. She has some personality to her. I've heard that she vibrates like she has Parkinson's. That was not the case. She vibrated no more than the Spirits do, and the Saanich vibrated much more than the 'Wack. The wheelhouse is only accessible by going outside then back in, which kinda struck me as being odd, since she used to work in Norway where temperatures are cold as heck. One would've thought to construct an inside stairwell, or at least a ladder. It was snowing for most of the voyage, and visibility was no more than 6 miles. There was a pretty steady wind of about 8 knots, maybe a bit more. I think the Queen of Chilliwack has entered my top-ten favorite list. Also, I've officially ridden 63% of all of the ferries currently in service
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 23, 2010 18:03:26 GMT -8
I wonder how many people actually would enter the cafeteria wearing nothing but boxers and tube-socks? I've heard that it has happened before, on this very ship. Really. ;D
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Post by Mike on Nov 23, 2010 19:34:50 GMT -8
I wonder how many people actually would enter the cafeteria wearing nothing but boxers and tube-socks? I've heard that it has happened before, on this very ship. Really. ;D I remember seeing "No shirt. No Shoes. No service." signs on the Queen of Surrey pre-MLU.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 23, 2010 20:18:05 GMT -8
I never had a chance to explore where this led. Does it only go up to the gallery deck?
I've heard that she vibrates like she has Parkinson's. That was not the case. She vibrated no more than the Spirits do, and the Saanich vibrated much more than the 'Wack.
Re: Car deck stairs, Those stairways lead up to Deck 4 on the outer decks. There was a time I remember seeing those doors in full use, but the last time I was there they were strictly emergency escape stairways. Re: Picking up "Good Vibrations", That's because you haven't seen her being driven to the max. When she's on the much shorter Route 7 as a double ender, they use all 4 RADs at once that. When both forward RAD's are engaged to help pull the ship ahead, you can really feel it. Instead, they're running her like they do up North on Route 40. I see they keep one RAD on standby as a bow prop of sorts.
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Post by Quatchi on Nov 23, 2010 23:21:11 GMT -8
Re: Elevator sign, no shirt, no shoes. I have myself been caught standing in the cafeteria in no kidding my boxers and socks, it was about 4:00 am though, the engineers didn't say nothing while I stood there chatting with them.
Re: Stairs. I have used those stair a whole bunch while on route 7, they aren't locked, and can't be locked as they are emergency exits. They aren't the best of stairs, they are open treads and they store brooms and stuff underneath the treads.
Re: Vibrations. If she is only running on two RADs at about 60% as is shown in your pictures shed make around 10 knots, she doesn't vibrate at all when shes running like this, its when you get all 4 RADs running and at full power that they all vibrate against each other and you get the earthquake feeling.
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Post by fargowolf on Nov 24, 2010 9:36:28 GMT -8
But what if someone was only wearing a shirt and shoes, but nothing else? Would they be denied service Getting back on topic, I loved both videos, driving onto and off of the Chilly. Those are the ones I enjoy the most. What was the construction at Westview? Terminal expansion?
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 24, 2010 15:27:34 GMT -8
The construction was the new Powell River Spirit Square. This involves waterfront improvements, an open market, and the renovation of that condemned wharf next to the berth. It stretches about one block down the waterfront from the terminal. If you wish to see a larger copy of this photo where you can read what the signs there say, simply PM me your email address.
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Post by Quatchi on Nov 24, 2010 18:05:35 GMT -8
The firm I work for designed the spirit Square in Powell River, it should be pretty cool when its done.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 25, 2010 17:21:22 GMT -8
Here's my May 2009 photo looking down at what I think is deck #5, and the top of the stairwell which presumably is the same one that Viking saw from the car deck. (deck #'s: 1 engine, 2 car, 3 gallery, 4 main lounge, 5 crew quarters, 6 solarium & outside seats)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 25, 2010 18:53:56 GMT -8
The current situation of the Chilliwack operating on the Comox route has me thinking back to the first time this happened, in May 2009. Here are a couple of photos from May 2009, of Chilliwack arriving at Little River: ---------------- And 2 videos showing her gliding into the berth at Westview: www.facebook.com/v/467959593646www.facebook.com/v/467973113646
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Nov 25, 2010 19:48:36 GMT -8
Here's my May 2009 photo looking down at what I think is deck #5, and the top of the stairwell which presumably is the same one that Viking saw from the car deck. (deck #'s: 1 engine, 2 car, 3 gallery, 4 main lounge, 5 crew quarters, 6 solarium & outside seats) Actually, the photo you have there is showing the converted laundry room for crew use. The stairwell that Luke photographed exits outside on Deck 4.
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