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Post by Neil on Jul 9, 2018 21:56:14 GMT -8
Mike, your video of the 'Cumberland got me pondering on what the future of car deck ramps might be. That ship is now the only BC Ferries vessel with retractable overhead capacity accessed by ramps, and the Salish class are the only vessels with ramps to a lower deck. There's no question that raising and lowering decks and ramps adds a fair bit of time to loading, and I wonder what the verdict on the Salish design will be. On a route like Comox to Powell River, there's often a generous dwell time at dock, and I would imagine that on route nine, the garage deck is probably just for traffic between Tsawwassen and Long Harbour. But in terms of flexibility on other routes, which seems to be the mantra these days, I wonder if the time involved in raising and lowering might weigh against more ferries with this design.
When they added capacity to the Queen of Capilano, BC Ferries went with two gallery decks, rather than what would have been a much more expensive retrofitting with retractable platform decks. The route is just too short for the time needed to move things around, although the refit only added fifteen AEQ spaces. There's no question that you can save money by adding more capacity to a given hull size by way of ramps, but I'll be interested to see how this plays out with vessels still to come.
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Post by Charles on Jul 30, 2018 20:02:16 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 2, 2018 8:14:56 GMT -8
BC Ferries has responded to the BC Ferry Commissioner regarding the company response to the Queen of Cumberland service disruption from the davit failure: Report HEREAn interesting (to me) technical section here:
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 22, 2019 9:16:52 GMT -8
Queen of Cumberland, off the shoreline of Piers Island, while on approach to Swartz Bay - 13 February 2019
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 19, 2019 19:13:06 GMT -8
Dance of the Gulf Island ferries Salish Orca & Queen of Cumberland between Prevost & Pender islands - 13 Feb 2019
I was looking to place this photo in a thread called "When Ferries Meet", but I guess that was never a thread but rather a long ago flagship theme.
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Post by paulvanb on Mar 19, 2019 21:16:14 GMT -8
Dance of the Gulf Island ferries Salish Orca & Queen of Cumberland between Prevost & Pender islands - 13 Feb 2019
I was looking to place this photo in a thread called "When Ferries Meet", but I guess that was never a thread but rather a long ago flagship theme.
You could start one if you wish. This is a nice opener!
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Post by Dane on Jul 29, 2019 11:13:02 GMT -8
Final Report from Transport Canada on the rescue boat incident. Event synopsis: "On 18 April 2018, the crew on the roll-on/roll-off passenger ferry Queen of Cumberland were using an on‑board davit to hoist the vessel's rescue boat out of the water during a drill, when the hoist cable parted. There were 2 crew members in the rescue boat at the time. The rescue boat and the 2 crew members fell approximately 11 m to the water. Both crew members were injured, one of them seriously, and the rescue boat was damaged." www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-investigations/marine/2018/m18p0087/m18p0087.html
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 2, 2019 17:08:33 GMT -8
Queen of Cumberland arriving on 9:10 am sailing from Swartz Bay via Lyall Harbour, Village Bay to Otter Bay. I am posting this photo because we don't have many from the beach. Queen of Cumberland by Blue Bus Fan, on Flickr
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 30, 2019 10:20:40 GMT -8
I just took trip on her on Fulford Harbour route which is delayed because of her service speed. I notice that not many people use the passenger deck and snack bar doesn’t seem to be used because the person said you brought the first toast after two days. The platform decks don’t seem to be used that frequent. Photos to come on Thursday of her on route.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Oct 30, 2019 11:04:52 GMT -8
I just took trip on her on Fulford Harbour route which is delayed because of her service speed. I notice that not many people use the passenger deck and snack bar doesn’t seem to be used because the person said you brought the first toast after two days. The platform decks don’t seem to be used that frequent. Photos to come on Thursday of her on route. I don't doubt the platform decks will get used on Fridays and Sundays as extra capacity.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 30, 2019 11:35:17 GMT -8
I just took trip on her on Fulford Harbour route which is delayed because of her service speed. I notice that not many people use the passenger deck and snack bar doesn’t seem to be used because the person said you brought the first toast after two days. The platform decks don’t seem to be used that frequent. Photos to come on Thursday of her on route. I don't doubt the platform decks will get used on Fridays and Sundays as extra capacity. It seems like crew is using every inch of deck space on main deck.
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Post by Neil on Oct 30, 2019 18:17:08 GMT -8
I don't doubt the platform decks will get used on Fridays and Sundays as extra capacity. It seems like crew is using every inch of deck space on main deck. I think you're mistaken. According to the departures page on the BC Ferries website, she's making the crossing in the same time the Skeena Queen usually does. Today, 29 to 32 minutes. Also, I rode today, and the platform decks were being used, and people were buying hot dogs and other stuff from the coffee bar.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 30, 2019 19:44:51 GMT -8
It seems like crew is using every inch of deck space on main deck. I think you're mistaken. According to the departures page on the BC Ferries website, she's making the crossing in the same time the Skeena Queen usually does. Today, 29 to 32 minutes. Also, I rode today, and the platform decks were being used, and people were buying hot dogs and other stuff from the coffee bar. I took the morning sailing nothing seem like it was being used except the 9:50 am used platform deck.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 13, 2020 22:34:19 GMT -8
Galiano twilight, with the Queen of Cumberland just underway from Sturdies Bay, heading back south through Active Pass - 22 December 2019
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 19, 2020 13:11:02 GMT -8
So what’s the deal with the Cumberland on route 5 how come she never uses berth 2?? I was on the Raven yesterday and berth 2 was available but yet she waited for us to clear berth 4 before she docked. Seems kinda odd.
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Post by futureferrydriver on Jan 19, 2020 16:24:16 GMT -8
So what’s the deal with the Cumberland on route 5 how come she never uses berth 2?? I was on the Raven yesterday and berth 2 was available but yet she waited for us to clear berth 4 before she docked. Seems kinda odd. I’d wager a bet that it’s because the Coastal on route 1 would arrive and need berth 2 before the Cumby would have departed. The Salt Spring ship generally arrives ~10 minutes before the route 1 ship but leaves at the same time.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 19, 2020 22:06:09 GMT -8
The Coastal Renaissance needs Berth 2 four times daily this was at 2:30pm when the SOVI was in Berth 1 so Berth 2 was available. The Coastal Celebration was in Berth 3 Salish Raven Berth 4 and the Mayne Queen Berth 5. When I arrived back to Swartz Bay on the Raven at around 6:25pm we docked in Berth 4 again and the Cumberland was in Berth 5 this time. Berth 2 was still available. Just seemed odd to me.
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 19, 2020 23:12:31 GMT -8
So what’s the deal with the Cumberland on route 5 how come she never uses berth 2?? I was on the Raven yesterday and berth 2 was available but yet she waited for us to clear berth 4 before she docked. Seems kinda odd. For the Minor/Gulf Island Routes, Berth 2 is inferior to Berths 3, 4, and 5 for both ship's services for both tying up and hooking up for water or sewage from the crew's perspective. From the customer service standpoint and more importantly, Berth 2 is inferior for foot passengers due to the fact that Berth 2 doesn't have a dedicated walkway for foot passengers on the main deck level. After the ship arrives, the ship must hold back vehicle traffic until every single foot passenger has cleared the ramp all the way up to the ramp abutment, or barrier arms. Similarly the ship cannot load traffic until every foot passenger has made their way onboard as a general rule of thumb. This can sometimes cause delays, and the foot passengers doesn't appreciate the unspoken pressure to 'get out of the way' nor do drivers appreciate the delay for driving on/off.
Berth 1 is better for foot passengers in the sense that comparatively it's a much shorter ramp in length. However it's complicated for foot passengers to find their way over to that berth simply because that berth has been geared for the Route 1 flow of traffic. Whenever a Gulf Islands ferry has to load/unload traffic in Berth 1 at the same time that Route 1 is operating in Berth 2, relatively significant delays can occur. Route 1 takes precedence in the flow of traffic, and due to the layout of the terminal there ends up being a conflict in the flow of traffic based on where traffic is staged for their respective routes on a routine basis. The flow of traffic for both routes approaching to these berths in this scenario ends up having them conflicting in an (X) pattern as opposed to the normal parallel (||) flow.
Bottom line, as a Gulf Islands bound vessel it's worth holding out just that extra minute or two for Berths 3, 4, or 5.
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Post by Neil on Jul 8, 2020 19:35:17 GMT -8
I've lost count of the number of service notices I've seen recently regarding the 'Cumberland, and her propulsion issues. I'm guessing that because they have no other vessel in reserve that's suitable (looking at you, Quinitsa), BC Ferries has decided to muddle through the summer with their main route five vessel operating on an injured leg.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 8, 2020 19:50:33 GMT -8
The Raven is sitting at Tsawwassen. They should put her into service on route 5 maybe pull the Cumberland and fix her issues. Would that not make sense?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jul 31, 2020 10:53:21 GMT -8
Queen of Cumberland arriving at Fulford Harbour on October 30, 2019. I am posting this photo because it is rare photo of Queen of Cumberland serving route 4. Queen of Cumberland by Blue Bus Fan, on Flickr Queen of Cumberland is now the main replace for the intermediate sized vessels excluding the Salish Class vessels?
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Post by Noam on Aug 12, 2020 12:37:52 GMT -8
quiz: who knows the class of this ship?
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Post by Noam on Aug 12, 2020 12:40:30 GMT -8
Capilano - having had the RAD issues solved; her originally intended route. Skeena Queen v 2.0 would have actually replaced the Cap, and then that plan got foiled, and as planning moved forward again the enhanced Cap was seen as the next step with a larger capacity. Past growth projections for Rte 8 and the Island itself were more robust, IIRC. I am glad it did not replace the cap, the queen of capilano is my favorite ship in the fleet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 19:35:05 GMT -8
It has been a few years since my last ride aboard either the Queen of Capilano or Queen of Cumberland but I Love looking out the forward window's on the passenger deck of the 2 ships, reminds me of riding aboard the original look Queen of Alberni. Welcome KaptainKitten.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 15:18:08 GMT -8
New insight in regards to the Cumbies assignment when the Salish Class #4 arrives Bear in mind nothing is on paper yet but some possible ideas circulating around Swartz bay currently includes having the Queen of Cumberland as a relief vessel to take over the Bowen Queen and then have a Salish Class based from both Swartz bay and Tsawassen and they go back and forth with stops at the regular gulf islands and then to finally to Swartz bay/Tsawassen. The other possibilitie is less likely but is also a seemingly prudent idea is that possibly bringing the Malaspina Sky to Swartz Bay and the Cumberland to Saltery Bay because the idea is that up there the Cumberland is going between two ports rather than multiple different islands and the Platform decks will likely be less of a issue because of that and in turn the Malaspina Sky will most likely be of simaler capacity and will not be of issue because of the Gallery Decks, that being said though the main issue with this possible idea is that the Malaspina Sky is a one off ship and I am not sure if she can fit all of the ports on route 5/5A without any dock modifications and it would require crew familiarization because of the Different control systems engines and safety/evacuation equipment, however BCFS has been considering having the Malaspina Sky at Swartz bay for quite a few years now.
However as I have said this is NOT official on paper as is the Cumberland swapping with the Mayne Queen and allowing her retirement but the current understanding is that the public realesed version is most likely what is going to happen but I have heard of the above possible ideas but it is only going to be known when Salish Class #4 is here. 😁 Thanks Jimmy Carlos
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