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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jul 16, 2013 11:17:18 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 16:39:34 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 6, 2013 13:14:34 GMT -8
From an April 2013 Ferry Advisory Council meeting:
- A comment on the next refit for the 'Capilano (not until January 2015) and also on replacement vessel(s) during that refit period.
Yes, the VP Customer Service from BC Ferries said that "Bowen Queen Alone" is not an option for when the 'Capilano goes for refit.
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Post by Mike C on Nov 6, 2013 15:51:04 GMT -8
From an April 2013 Ferry Advisory Council meeting: - A comment on the next refit for the 'Capilano (not until January 2015) and also on replacement vessel(s) during that refit period. Yes, the VP Customer Service from BC Ferries said that "Bowen Queen Alone" is not an option for when the 'Capilano goes for refit. This caught my attention. I would say this would be one of four possible scenarios: -Queen of Cumberland (probably most logical and most likely), Bowen Queen to Route 5 -Island Sky (a possibility if they want to give the IS a revenue test on Route 8), Bowen Queen/Chilliwack to Route 7 -Bowen Queen + Tenaka -Bowen Queen + Tachek, Tenaka to Route 24 All are interesting options, and any would be a first occurrence, to my knowledge. This is a long-time-coming for Route 8 - the Bowen Queen for two months is unsustainable, as we learned last year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 15:58:27 GMT -8
From an April 2013 Ferry Advisory Council meeting: - A comment on the next refit for the 'Capilano (not until January 2015) and also on replacement vessel(s) during that refit period. Yes, the VP Customer Service from BC Ferries said that "Bowen Queen Alone" is not an option for when the 'Capilano goes for refit. This caught my attention. I would say this would be one of four possible scenarios: -Queen of Cumberland (probably most logical and most likely), Bowen Queen to Route 5 -Island Sky (a possibility if they want to give the IS a revenue test on Route 8), Bowen Queen/Chilliwack to Route 7 -Bowen Queen + Tenaka -Bowen Queen + Tachek, Tenaka to Route 24 All are interesting options, and any would be a first occurrence, to my knowledge. This is a long-time-coming for Route 8 - the Bowen Queen for two months is unsustainable, as we learned last year. Uh, I don't think we'll be seeing the Cumberland on route 8. Her platforms take too long to operate, and the Bowen Queen is vastly inadequate for route 5 either. My guess is that we'll be seeing the IS on route 8.
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Post by Mike C on Nov 6, 2013 16:04:37 GMT -8
This caught my attention. I would say this would be one of four possible scenarios: -Queen of Cumberland (probably most logical and most likely), Bowen Queen to Route 5 -Island Sky (a possibility if they want to give the IS a revenue test on Route 8), Bowen Queen/Chilliwack to Route 7 -Bowen Queen + Tenaka -Bowen Queen + Tachek, Tenaka to Route 24 All are interesting options, and any would be a first occurrence, to my knowledge. This is a long-time-coming for Route 8 - the Bowen Queen for two months is unsustainable, as we learned last year. Uh, I don't think we'll be seeing the Cumberland on route 8. Her platforms take too long to operate, and the Bowen Queen is vastly inadequate for route 5 either. My guess is that we'll be seeing the IS on route 8. Both platforms can be raised against the ceiling, which is the norm on Route 5 in the off-season. I suspect this is what would happen, as you are right, the platforms would pretty much throw the Route 8 schedule out the window. The Bowen Queen is the usual replacement for the Cumberland on Route 5.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 6, 2013 16:29:09 GMT -8
From an April 2013 Ferry Advisory Council meeting: - A comment on the next refit for the 'Capilano (not until January 2015) and also on replacement vessel(s) during that refit period. Yes, the VP Customer Service from BC Ferries said that "Bowen Queen Alone" is not an option for when the 'Capilano goes for refit. This caught my attention. I would say this would be one of four possible scenarios: -Queen of Cumberland (probably most logical and most likely), Bowen Queen to Route 5 -Island Sky (a possibility if they want to give the IS a revenue test on Route 8), Bowen Queen/Chilliwack to Route 7 -Bowen Queen + Tenaka -Bowen Queen + Tachek, Tenaka to Route 24 All are interesting options, and any would be a first occurrence, to my knowledge. This is a long-time-coming for Route 8 - the Bowen Queen for two months is unsustainable, as we learned last year. I think the most likely replace will be the Island Sky on the Bowen Island route while the Queen of Chilliwack or the Bowen Queen is on route seven. But I would like to see the Bowen Queen with the Tachek or the Tenaka on the Bowen Island route!
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 6, 2013 19:15:08 GMT -8
This caught my attention. I would say this would be one of four possible scenarios: -Queen of Cumberland (probably most logical and most likely), Bowen Queen to Route 5 -Island Sky (a possibility if they want to give the IS a revenue test on Route 8), Bowen Queen/Chilliwack to Route 7 -Bowen Queen + Tenaka -Bowen Queen + Tachek, Tenaka to Route 24 All are interesting options, and any would be a first occurrence, to my knowledge. This is a long-time-coming for Route 8 - the Bowen Queen for two months is unsustainable, as we learned last year. Uh, I don't think we'll be seeing the Cumberland on route 8. Her platforms take too long to operate, and the Bowen Queen is vastly inadequate for route 5 either. My guess is that we'll be seeing the IS on route 8. That would cause riots on Bowen Island, undoubtedly. If the Cumberland was placed there on route 8, they might not even notice, and then they could test the Island Sky on route 5 instead. Depending on where the Burnaby and Queen of Chilliwack are by January 5, 2015 the Island Sky may be the permanent route 17 vessel and not available to do route 8, and who knows where the Tenaka would be by 2015.
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Post by Neil on Nov 6, 2013 22:13:40 GMT -8
Two strange thoughts/developments have been offered today.
One: A BC Ferries official apparently saying that the Bowen Queen cannot adequately cover the Bowen route during refit period.
Two: The suggestion, from Pete Kimmerly, that BC Ferries is considering extending Tenaka's lifespan.
I don't know how much stock I put in either. Since when did BC Ferries get concerned about having the Bowen Queen cover at Snug Cove, or Fulford? She's been doing both for years, at some inconvenience to islanders, but that's never stopped them. BC Ferries has never put a second vessel on the Bowen run, and they've never filled in for refits with a larger vessel. Why would they start now? They're planning on locking Denman and Hornby into present capacity, come what may, for forty years... and they're suddenly worrying about Bowen, for two months?
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 6, 2013 23:38:52 GMT -8
Apparently the Skeena Queen was tried on Route 8 as a trial when she was brand new, but the Bowen Islanders moaned about there being no snack bar service on board. So the Capilano was quickly put back on the run. Criteria for replacement vessel: -Must have a snack bar. This is major deal breaker if there isn't one. -Cannot be the Bowen Queen or Mayne Queen (Mayne Queen doesn't have a snack bar) -Must be larger than the Capilano to accommodate the commuters at peak times -Must have overhead walkway access, for easier access to the lounge and snack bar -Must have an Elevator -Must have a Snack Bar
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 12:12:14 GMT -8
Apparently the Skeena Queen was tried on Route 8 as a trial when she was brand new, but the Bowen Islanders moaned about there being no snack bar service on board. So the Capilano was quickly put back on the run. Criteria for replacement vessel: -Must have a snack bar. This is major deal breaker if there isn't one. -Cannot be the Bowen Queen or Mayne Queen (Mayne Queen doesn't have a snack bar) -Must be larger than the Capilano to accommodate the commuters at peak times -Must have overhead walkway access, for easier access to the lounge and snack bar -Must have an Elevator -Must have a Snack Bar Lol, does she need a snack bar? The Hound Dawg served the run for 20 years, and had no snack bar.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 7, 2013 12:19:20 GMT -8
BC Ferries has never put a second vessel on the Bowen run ...except for when the Smokwa was working the Bowen run (think about it.... )
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Post by Koastal Karl on Nov 7, 2013 12:43:01 GMT -8
They are whiners just like Langdale about the Surrey! We have more serious problems in the world! Be lucky they have a ferry at all! lol!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 7, 2013 12:50:30 GMT -8
They are whiners just like Langdale about the Surrey! We have more serious problems in the world! Be lucky they have a ferry at all! lol! More info can be found HERE
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 7, 2013 20:03:02 GMT -8
BC Ferries has never put a second vessel on the Bowen run ...except for when the Smokwa was working the Bowen run (think about it.... ) Didn't route 9 have 2-boat service for a short period last weekend?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 22:35:15 GMT -8
They are whiners just like Langdale about the Surrey! We have more serious problems in the world! Be lucky they have a ferry at all! lol! More info can be found HEREFlugel, you are my hero
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Post by Neil on Nov 7, 2013 23:31:13 GMT -8
BC Ferries has never put a second vessel on the Bowen run ...except for when the Smokwa was working the Bowen run (think about it.... ) I get you... but I'm not sure the much maligned Smokwa was ever found at Snug Cove. She haunted Langdale, with her running mate, Quillayute. The first car ferry Bowen ever had was, I believe, the Bainbridge, with the Cy Peck also making appearances. Cy Peck would have been the only single ender to serve Bowen, which makes me wonder... did she back in at Horseshoe Bay, or in Snug Cove? I was too young to remember now.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 8, 2013 7:42:36 GMT -8
...except for when the Smokwa was working the Bowen run (think about it.... ) I get you... but I'm not sure the much maligned Smokwa was ever found at Snug Cove. She haunted Langdale, with her running mate, Quillayute. The first car ferry Bowen ever had was, I believe, the Bainbridge, with the Cy Peck also making appearances. Cy Peck would have been the only single ender to serve Bowen, which makes me wonder... did she back in at Horseshoe Bay, or in Snug Cove? I was too young to remember now. I did some research on the Smokwa regarding Bowen service, before I posted that reply. Here's what I found: HERE - top itemPerhaps it was just a one-time thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 22:19:41 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 23, 2013 23:18:24 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jan 29, 2014 22:33:19 GMT -8
Today I saw an apparently empty 'Capilano arriving at Horseshoe Bay around 1:30. Not on the schedule... was there a service notice, or does anyone know what the trip was about?
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Post by Neil on Jun 11, 2014 9:40:00 GMT -8
A poster on the Bowen Island forum was at a meeting with BC Ferries regarding the Queen of Capilano being out for a six month refit, starting next January, and she claims that the 'Cap will be receiving gallery decks of some sort, increasing the capacity by twelve cars. Have to see if there's anything on BC Ferries' website confirming that.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 11, 2014 10:13:43 GMT -8
A poster on the Bowen Island forum was at a meeting with BC Ferries regarding the Queen of Capilano being out for a six month refit, starting next January, and she claims that the ' Cap will be receiving gallery decks of some sort, increasing the capacity by twelve cars. Have to see if there's anything on BC Ferries' website confirming that. BCF is slow at posting the minutes for these FAC meeting; usually not until just before the next meeting (October 2014). Here's what the Agenda for last night's meeting said: I'll keep my eyes open for more of this "seems illogical" idea.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 13, 2014 17:20:26 GMT -8
Capilano gallery deck info, from Bowen Island Undercurrent article:
Fixed galleries mean that loading time is much faster than hoistable platforms.
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Post by Kahloke on Jun 13, 2014 19:02:19 GMT -8
Capilano gallery deck info, from Bowen Island Undercurrent article: Fixed galleries mean that loading time is much faster than hoistable platforms. Thanks for posting the article. I thought Island Sky was designed to eventually serve Bowen Island, or am I mistaken? This excerpt from the article makes it seem like Island Sky will never serve at Bowen, but they may only be referring to the near future, not long term: Perhaps in the long range plan,BC Ferries will build more of the 125-145 car ICF class vessels and assign 1 to replace Island Sky on Route 7, thereby shifting Island Sky to Bowen Island? I would envision this happening when the Powell River Class vessels get retired, but who knows what The Provincial government and BC Ferries will be thinking at that time. Oh, wait, I know - why don't we replace 3 boats with 2 and let's make darn sure the new boats aren't any larger than the ones they are replacing because there couldn't possibly be any future growth in the markets we are serving . Of course, if they keep raising fares at the rate they are going, there may NOT be any future growth in ridership after all. OK, end of sarcasm
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