Nick
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Post by Nick on Dec 12, 2008 15:06:49 GMT -8
Gordon, I really don't mind answering questions. The fact that you are asking so many proves that you are very interested in the operations of BC Ferries, much like the rest of us. However, I'd like to invite you to do some research on that question, and formulate a theory, before somebody answers it.
By doing that, you might be able to learn something else that you never knew before, and might not have thought to ask. Speaking as somebody who teaches as a volunteer, I find people learn much better by discovering things for themselves, rather than somebody else spelling out the answer for them.
To help you out, I'll start you off: Check the distances of each of the respective routes, and check that with the characteristics of the vessels serving said routes. You'll find your answer somewhere in there.
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Post by Hardy on Dec 13, 2008 5:12:58 GMT -8
Hint: distance vs. required docking maneuvers vs. flat-out-straight-line speed.
Following on Nick's post, I too will await what your FFI/CSI skills allow you to deduce after you have examined your 'evidence'.
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Post by gordon on Dec 13, 2008 13:03:33 GMT -8
Route#1 Both classes of vessels are single ended(1 bridge) so they both need to turn around after departure the Spirits seem to to cruise at between 17.5 & 18 .5 knots roughly even with the Vs- therefore there is no need for an amended schedule
The other 3 routes the average speeds are 19 knots + or minus therefore the amended schedule is required.
What is the top speed for the Spirits?
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Post by ferrytraveller on Dec 13, 2008 15:40:19 GMT -8
top speed for spirits is about 19.5 knots
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Post by roeco on Dec 13, 2008 15:40:20 GMT -8
Does anyone Know if the Saanich and Vancouver have been sold to the same place. And will the Saanich be retired the same time as the Vancouver? I wonder if they will stay in North America?
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 13, 2008 15:41:19 GMT -8
Gordon,
Now you need to find out the distance for each of the routes and determine if that is a factor?
Have fun...
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Post by roeco on Jan 1, 2009 11:22:03 GMT -8
Would it not have made economical sense to give the Saanich and Vanouver major upgrades so they could sail for another 10 years or so vs building new ferries? Even if they would have spent 25-30 million on each one it sure would have been an investment well spent. And they are more fuel efficent than the Super C's.
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Post by bcferryfan87 on Jan 12, 2009 11:21:11 GMT -8
I am thinking of doing a foot passenger jaunt on her next Sunday ex Tsawassen or Vic; walk on her either out of Tsaw and take another ship back (or somehow get on her both ways, don't know if the turnaround is possible - e.g. get off at Vic, and then buy a ticket right away to go back on her on that departure). After my missing out on various other key ship runs ( Q of Tsaw, and Princess Maggie II - sigh, lol), I'm thinking it would be a nice nostalgic trip to be on one of the "classics " (I'm using that word alot lately - see Seattle ferry post, done earlier today as a reply).
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Post by cohocatcher on Jan 12, 2009 11:25:13 GMT -8
If you want to go back and forth on the same ferry, you can buy the return ticket at the gift shop during the first sailing.
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Post by slayerfan on Jan 15, 2009 9:55:18 GMT -8
glad to see this thread moved from "historic" to "general" that means she is NOT retired. will sunday the 18th be the last chance ever to ride this legend? is the q of van mirrlees powerd or does she have "modern" engines? (this will help my dad's decision re: trip)
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Mill Bay
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 15, 2009 10:14:13 GMT -8
glad to see this thread moved from "historic" to "general" that means she is NOT retired. will sunday the 18th be the last chance ever to ride this legend? is the q of van mirrlees powerd or does she have "modern" engines? (this will help my dad's decision re: trip) According to the RBI, she will also be making two round trips on Jan 25th and Feb 1st as well. Unfortunately, the Queen of Vancouver does not have Mirrlees engines and never did, actually, as the province had sought to lower the tender price for constructing Queen of Vancouver and Queen of Victoria when they were originally built, and so selected a different brand of engines. If you want the experience of genuine Mirrlees engines, you need to ride either the Queen of Nanaimo, the Burnaby, or the QPR.
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Nick
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Post by Nick on Jan 15, 2009 10:36:43 GMT -8
The Victoria and Vancouver both had Paxman Twins originally. They were problematic and unreliable, so they were replaced with MaK engines in the early 80s ('80 or '81 I think) shortly before they were lifted. The Saanich and Esquimalt also had problems with their Fairbanks-Morse engines, so these were also replaced with MaKs at the time of lifting.
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Post by slayerfan on Jan 15, 2009 10:46:39 GMT -8
facinating stuff dudes i was lucky enough to see direct reverse mirlees action on the q of Tswassn. an expereince i will never forget.
as for the queen of PR... never sailed on her. it it too late?
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Nick
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Post by Nick on Jan 15, 2009 10:51:32 GMT -8
The QPR will be sailing until the end of March. Northern Adventure departs Bear Cove for the first time on April 1st. Historically, that date has been delayed somewhat with unforeseen complications arising though.
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Mill Bay
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 15, 2009 11:29:20 GMT -8
For sure, the direct reversing engines were incredible to watch, but even more exciting to feel in action. Some of us have even seen the action from in the Tsawwassen's engine room, but I don't believe anyone has managed to make it into the Vancouver's engine room yet. [I'm suddenly wondering if I should have posted such explicit info on a public thread.]facinating stuff dudes i was lucky enough to see direct reverse mirlees action on the q of Tswassn. an expereince i will never forget. as for the queen of PR... never sailed on her. it it too late?
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Post by slayerfan on Jan 15, 2009 12:09:52 GMT -8
ha does this mean i was part of a massive security breach? i did not realize at the time that i had entered such an exclusive club (eye witnesses to mirlees direct reverse action)
from what the dudes on the tsw told me, the MaKs are nothing worth seeing anyway
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Post by Queen of Vancouver on Jan 15, 2009 20:19:40 GMT -8
I prefer Wartsila like on the QONW.
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 15, 2009 21:08:41 GMT -8
The Victoria and Vancouver both had Paxman Twins originally. They were problematic and unreliable, so they were replaced with MaK engines in the early 80s ('80 or '81 I think) shortly before they were lifted. The Saanich and Esquimalt also had problems with their Fairbanks-Morse engines, so these were also replaced with MaKs at the time of lifting. The Van at least had her engines replaced in '78. For the longest time I had thought the engines were replaced on all of the V's during lifting. But apparently not.
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Nick
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Post by Nick on Jan 15, 2009 21:20:53 GMT -8
Thanks for clarifying, Chris. I had thought it was later on, like the year before lifting or something.
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Post by slayerfan on Jan 15, 2009 21:45:39 GMT -8
does anyone know if the QPR will be doing a positioning cruise from PH to vancouver? i regret cancelling that run on the qothnorth years ago as i never had a ride on that beautiful ship.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 15, 2009 22:03:01 GMT -8
does anyone know if the QPR will be doing a positioning cruise from PH to vancouver? i regret cancelling that run on the qothnorth years ago as i never had a ride on that beautiful ship. i haven't seen anything in the bc ferries schedule, have you? the last time they did positioning cruises was in march 2006, and they were usually advertised in the website schedule at least 9 months in advance. .....and what does this have to do with the queen of vancouver? ;D [late edit to change my post to all lower case]
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Post by slayerfan on Jan 15, 2009 22:17:30 GMT -8
does anyone know if the QPR will be doing a positioning cruise from PH to vancouver? i regret cancelling that run on the qothnorth years ago as i never had a ride on that beautiful ship. i haven't seen anything in the bc ferries schedule, have you? the last time they did positioning cruises was in march 2006, and they were usually advertised in the website schedule at least 9 months in advance. .....and what does this have to do with the queen of vancouver? ;D [late edit to change my post to all lower case] completely off topic!!!!! sounds like im gonna start my 2nd ever thread
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 15, 2009 22:38:06 GMT -8
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 22, 2009 22:55:39 GMT -8
Some of us are starting to be increasingly concerned that the Queen of Vancouver won't make it to her set retirement date now. The other day when she was trying to pick up the slack from when the SOBC was having issues, the Vancouver developed some sort of propellar issues, while doing a deadhead sailing from SWB to TSA in the middle of the night. She hasn't seemed to have run since then, and was needed yesterday. Also, back on December 30th, her last day with her dedicated Tsawwassen crew, she had a heckuva time getting into Berth 4. The wind was blowing pretty hard, and it took 90 minutes just to dock her! Ther was about 4 or 5 attempts at getting into the dock. The crew was joking that she was avoiding retirement. But that might not be the case, if she's unable to even make it to retirement. Here's one of the pics I managed to get from that eventful evening at Tsawwassen. You can see the wash from the stern splashing against the Berth 5 dolphins, and the turning dolphin of Berth 4 up close. So what do you think? Will she make it till her last scheduled sailing on Feb 1st?
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Post by Mirrlees on Jan 22, 2009 23:08:10 GMT -8
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