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Post by WettCoast on Sept 8, 2007 20:16:39 GMT -8
The photo shown here is of the Bainbridge / Jervis Queen. This vessel operated in Puget sound for several decades before coming with Black Ball to BC waters in the 1950's. She operated with the Dogwood Fleet for about 5 years, being retired in 1966. The photo below was taken in the winter, about 1985. She was slowly rotting away along the lower Fraser off of River Road in Delta. Not long after this photo was taken she keeled over exposing her bottom to the world. M/V Bainbridge (Jervis Queen) rotting away along the lower Fraser off of River Road - 1985 [D.O. Thorne photo ©] by Wett Coast, on FlickrCan anyone think of other ferries that are slowly rotting away along the Fraser today?
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Post by pscurr on Dec 17, 2007 20:25:56 GMT -8
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 17, 2007 22:27:15 GMT -8
Thanks for that great pic, pscurr Nice to see her so intact, let alone upright. Close to Deas Regional Park and even closer to Tilbury Island and the Seaspan Coastal Intermodal terminal there, the cement plant in the background at left accross the river in that photograph can be seen here on Google Maps in the NW corner, placing that position diagonally accross the river to the SW I'd guess... www.tinyurl.com/3ywy7y
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 24, 2007 17:40:22 GMT -8
M/V Bainbridge in Blackball colours @ Horseshoe Bay c1960. At that time she was the #1 vessel serving the Landale route. (from a magazine print) DOT collection
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Post by pscurr on Dec 25, 2007 11:48:47 GMT -8
just playing with the new scanner, found this in a collection of old photos. although we do need to recycle, it is too bad that we can not rest these vessels with some dignity.
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Post by Mike C on Dec 25, 2007 11:56:33 GMT -8
That's such a sad picture... it's hard to imagine that that could be how some of todays ferries end up in the future.
A double-dose of the M/V Bainbridge from both PSCurr and Wet Coast Kid. Great job guys.
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Post by Curtis on Dec 25, 2007 16:58:28 GMT -8
just playing with the new scanner, found this in a collection of old photos. although we do need to recycle, it is too bad that we can not rest these vessels with some dignity. Grand Photo. Looks kind of like a ghastly in that mist. Kind of like a Ghost Ship-er-Ferry.
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 22, 2007 21:14:17 GMT -8
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Post by 7sisters on Oct 23, 2007 4:57:21 GMT -8
Hi Guy's.....An update to the postcard i uploaded on the album of the "Bainbridge"...It says on the back of the card that it was running between Earls Cove and Saltery Bay at that time!...I have had this card for years and to tell you the truth i almost didn't put it on as i didn't really think it would interest anyone!...FYI....Dan
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 23, 2007 5:17:02 GMT -8
I was wondering if this is taken near Langdale, and if so did Langdale ever operate without the added land into Howe Sound, or is this land just out of sight in this postcard? I am fairly certain that the Bainbridge / J-Queen postcard is taken from Saltery Bay, to the south-west of the terminal (the opposite side from where Graham & Karl like to take pics from). That would be Nelson Island in the background right. And you can see a couple of the "coloured balls" hanging on the power line, that goes across to Nelson Island.
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Post by Quinsam on Oct 16, 2005 14:52:17 GMT -8
Did the Bainbridge and Smokwa have sisters? The Bainbridge and Smokwa look the same, but the smokwa is smaller. Kinda like the Quinsam and Quinitsa, they look the same but are smaller. So lets talk about the Steamships properly now: the Bainbridge was replaced by the Super V class(Queen of New Westminster) and the Smokwa was mostly under tow when doing business, I also wish I did see the Bainbridge before she sank, she is smoke now, she was burned unfortunately. The smokwa was never renamed, but she was also a lot of chaos for BC Ferries, she was not suitable for HSB-Langdale, but she was a nice ship.(Looks like it anyway)
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Post by Shane on Oct 16, 2005 14:55:38 GMT -8
This page is for old steamers not retired ferries.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Oct 16, 2005 15:06:20 GMT -8
Smoky is a steam ferry
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Post by Quinsam on Oct 16, 2005 21:46:11 GMT -8
They both are as a matter of fact, the Smokwa was smaller than the Bainbridge, but very similar, and the SS Cascade was also on the Mill Bay ferry route, until 1958.
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Post by cascade on Oct 18, 2005 6:47:57 GMT -8
Harry -
SS Cascade was first a tramp steamer working the coast. She was then purchased by the Cascade Steam ship & Trading company in 1921. In October 1923 she was converted over to carry car's - her engines changed also doing the first major re-fit - to "heavy oil" which had to be pre-heated. This heavy oil was a lot cheaper to use. In 1928 she changed engines again to diesel and her "tag" then changed to MV from SS. They were not that tight on rules back in the early 1920's and the "official" office for these things was the CP shipping office in Victoria - they worked as a local "Crown" office.
Harry if you were that keen on the Mill Bay route - then you would have known this - as it is listed in the small museum - in the art gallery in Brentwood.
Further info for you - as for the design - it was copied from a Thames river crossing ferry. So by been sisters to the other two vessels - your wrong.
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Post by Quinsam on Oct 18, 2005 11:16:47 GMT -8
I did not say that the Bainbridge was a sister to the Cascade, I said the Bainbridge and Smokwa are almost sisters, only different sizes.
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Post by cascade on Oct 19, 2005 8:44:08 GMT -8
Harry,
In 1948 the shares in Cascade Trading were sold to Coastal Ferry - the vessel changed name to MV Brentwood. In 1956 the new / current Mill Bay enter service and the wooden hull "Old" Cascade was sold to a shipping company - which worked the Sunshine coast as a local tramp steamer - delivery ship.
She hit a log and partially sunk around Gibson in 1978. Was re-floated - but scrapped in 1979/80.
Bainbridge & Smokwa never worked - as far as I know on the Mill Bay - Brentwood route, but they may have worked the old Salt Spring - Sidney route in and around the 1920's to 1940's just before the war. Coastal Ferry owned those routes until been sold / purchased by the government in 1966.
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Post by Shane on Oct 19, 2005 9:16:21 GMT -8
Harry, In 1948 the shares in Cascade Trading were sold to Coastal Ferry - the vessel changed name to MV Brentwood. In 1956 the new / current Mill Bay enter service and the wooden hull "Old" Cascade was sold to a shipping company - which worked the Sunshine coast as a local tramp steamer - delivery ship. She hit a log and partially sunk around Gibson in 1978. Was re-floated - but scrapped in 1979/80. Bainbridge & Smokwa never worked - as far as I know on the Mill Bay - Brentwood route, but they may have worked the old Salt Spring - Sidney route in and around the 1920's to 1940's just before the war. Coastal Ferry owned those routes until been sold / purchased by the government in 1966. They did not operate on any Gulf Island runs. It was the Cy Peck and the George S. Pearson that operated on that route when they were owned by Gulf Island Ferries.
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Post by cascade on Oct 19, 2005 9:45:39 GMT -8
The "New" family where the owners of Coastal Ferry and took over - expanded the routes around some of the Gulf Island.
There was a number of different vessels on these runs - as they had a lot of problems with heavy trucks and the high tidal movements - which are around 12 to 14 feet per day.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 27, 2005 20:33:55 GMT -8
S.S. Smokwa Was actually originally built in 1946, in Nova Scotia, to cross Halifax Harbour; She was then known as 'Scotian'. She was sold when a bridge was built, making her service redundant, and brought to Washington state via the Panama Canal (under tow) by Black Ball. Black Ball then brought her up to when they pioneered HSB-DPB, Howe Sound and Jervis Inlet services after their extensive Washington state opperations were bought by the newly formed, government owned Washington State Ferries. It's interesting to Note that the "Smokey" was the last steam-engined ferry on the North American west coast.
The Bainbridge, however, is not a sister to the Smokwa. Here's an outline of how she came to Canada, as compiled by G.&P. Bannerman in the 1985 book "The Ships of British Columbia: An Illustrated History of the British Columbia Ferry Corporation" (on page 178):
"M.V. Jervis Queen Originally named Bainbridge, the 45-car, 600-passenger double-ended vessel was built in Houghton, Washington in 1928. She came to B.C. with Black Ball in the 1050s, before being sold to BC ferries and renamed. She was retired from service in 1966 and could be seen rotting at a Fraser River pier along River Road in 1985"
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 27, 2005 20:35:28 GMT -8
err... Black Ball then brought her up to *Canada* when they...
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Post by QTeen on Dec 11, 2005 19:09:53 GMT -8
Where is the Smokwa?
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Post by SS San Mateo on Dec 11, 2005 19:49:19 GMT -8
Supposedly it's up in Alaska somewhere (according to evergreenfleet.com). -- LB
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Post by Quinsam on Dec 12, 2005 18:51:33 GMT -8
Where in Alaska? North, West, South? And what location?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 12, 2005 18:59:38 GMT -8
"somewhere"
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