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Post by mrdot on May 2, 2011 22:42:09 GMT -8
:)in my working years at Swartz Bay we passed the Sechelt Queen every day as she was the Long Hbr. boat, was still quite impressive as she sailed by in Active Pass, a nice look back, on a nite that much politics have happened on my side bar tv set. :)mrdot.
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Post by Mill Bay on May 3, 2011 6:35:57 GMT -8
That's a great photo, but eerily familiar. I believe JST has posted it before at some point in the post.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2011 7:58:37 GMT -8
Scanned from Through Lions Gate a Vancouver Real Estate Book 1966
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 23, 2011 9:29:13 GMT -8
Coast Publishing Company postcard showing the Princess Kathleen? and the Chinook at Victoria Harbour. - some lovely wooden boats in the foreground
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:40:20 GMT -8
Hey guys, I'm new here. The photos and information on the Sechelt Queen are great. Especialy the one taken from what I think what would have been at the time Scott Point Marina in Long Harbour. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sorry I have nothing to contribute. I'm sure everything I know about the ship that isn't mentioned in this forum is common knowledge to you guys. I was wondering if anybody had a good quality pic of the Chinook II aground on snake island as seen from the stern. I have made some E-mails and other inquieries but have come up with nothing. I would like to blow it up and hang it on my wall. Even a good scan would be great. Thanks and keep up the good work
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 31, 2012 19:10:22 GMT -8
Hey guys, I'm new here. The photos and information on the Sechelt Queen are great. Especialy the one taken from what I think what would have been at the time Scott Point Marina in Long Harbour. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sorry I have nothing to contribute. I'm sure everything I know about the ship that isn't mentioned in this forum is common knowledge to you guys. I was wondering if anybody had a good quality pic of the Chinook II aground on snake island as seen from the stern. I have made some E-mails and other inquieries but have come up with nothing. I would like to blow it up and hang it on my wall. Even a good scan would be great. Thanks and keep up the good work Hi, Chris, and welcome aboard. I wouldn't ever assume that something is necessarily common knowledge... and don't forget that common knowledge sometimes turns out to be wrong, too. ;D
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 13, 2012 20:34:10 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 20:56:24 GMT -8
I don't think that this has been discussed, but I was told the Sechelt Queen was diesel-electric just like Langdale Queen. From what I am told the enginges were made by EMD (General Motors Electro Motive Division ). The same EMD that made so many locomotives such as the famous screaming SD40s. Does anybody know the model of engines used in this ship? I assume they would have had to have been 16-567-Bs? It must have been something to hear. 2-stroke diesels sound great. Does anyone know anything else about the drivetrain of this ship? I would love to hear about it!
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Post by EGfleet on Mar 21, 2012 9:34:31 GMT -8
I don't think that this has been discussed, but I was told the Sechelt Queen was diesel-electric just like Langdale Queen. From what I am told the enginges were made by EMD (General Motors Electro Motive Division ). The same EMD that made so many locomotives such as the famous screaming SD40s. Does anybody know the model of engines used in this ship? I assume they would have had to have been 16-567-Bs? It must have been something to hear. 2-stroke diesels sound great. Does anyone know anything else about the drivetrain of this ship? I would love to hear about it! From Steamboat Bill, fall 1983: "The 318.2' x53' x 13' twin screw diesel electric ferry was powered by four 16 cylinder, 1,500 horsepower General Motors diesel engines each connected, through controls to a 1,300 shaft horsepower electric motor. Each pair of electric motors drove a propeller shaft through reduction gearing which gave Chinook an 18.5 knot service speed. Chinook's entire propulsion machinery system came from a surplace United States Navy destroyer escort which had been laid up at Suisan Bay, California. PSN purchased five of the surplus ships for reengining of their ferries, as well as for powering Chinook. The Company paid the sum of $150,000.00 for five ships; none of which had more than 2000 hours operating time on their engines." The Kahloke/Langdale Queen was repowered with: "...four 16 cylinder General Motors diesels, each edeveloping 1700 hp and dirving a 1700 KW/DC generator. The generators in turn drove the propulsion motors through reducion gearing which gave a speed of 18 knots." ( Steamboat Bill, Winter 1977.)
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 22, 2012 5:33:59 GMT -8
So now the propulsion debate begins.
I'd assumed that the Kahloke had gotten the same engines as the Chinook, but according to Steamboat Bill that's not the case.
They wouldn't have been 567's at 1500 or 1700 HP; as far as I know, 567's are 2000HP engines (the Supers initially had 567's).
I suspect the Chinook might've had EMD-278's, as the configuration described above sounds very similar to what the Evergreen State class received, and I'd always heard that the left-over engine packages had mostly been included in the luggage when PSN's holdings were acquired by WSF. As usual, I'm open to re-education on the topic.
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Post by Mike on Mar 22, 2012 9:56:08 GMT -8
So now the propulsion debate begins. I'd assumed that the Kahloke had gotten the same engines as the Chinook, but according to Steamboat Bill that's not the case. They wouldn't have been 567's at 1500 or 1700 HP; as far as I know, 567's are 2000HP engines (the Supers initially had 567's). I believe 567's equipped with turbochargers are capable of producing up to 2500 HP. When non-turbocharged, they're only capable of around 1800 HP. Since the Chinook and Kahloke were built around the same time frame as EMD was building the 1500 HP GP7 and 1750 HP GP9 locomotives, it makes sense that they probably got the same engines.
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Post by paulvanb on Mar 22, 2012 12:05:53 GMT -8
EMD/GM used the 567 in various horsepower outputs through to the GP35 which were built until January, 1966. The GP40 and SD40 were the first candidates to get the 645.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 28, 2012 19:17:58 GMT -8
From a 1969 publication by the Vancouver Real Estate Board, “Through Lions Gate.” General photographs credit in the book is to Ted Czolowski. I purchased the book for $3 at a local Rotary Club book sale, just for the interesting “back in the day” photos. This photo is posted earlier in this thread, but the colour is a bit different in this one.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 31, 2012 21:23:55 GMT -8
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Post by EGfleet on Sept 29, 2012 8:46:19 GMT -8
23 April, 1947: Launch of the Chinook at Todd Shipyard in Seattle.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 10, 2012 4:19:54 GMT -8
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 26, 2012 7:42:36 GMT -8
This negative was recently listed for sale and well... here it is with the color correction to get rid of the red.
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Post by lselena53 on Dec 26, 2012 21:55:07 GMT -8
What a fabulous shot of her framed by the davit!! I remember the Sechelt Queen when she was on the Little River Powell River route. My first crossing was in the summer of 1973 when I was seven. We missed the first sailing because my mother locked the keys to the car in the trunk! We watched helplessly as she pulled away from the dock, knowing we would not see her again until the 3:00 sailing many hours later. Once we did get aboard, I remember the car deck was heaving in places ... very uneven. the other thing I do recall is that there was no cafeteria operational as I was used to on the BC Ferries. This was during her Min. of Hwys years and all they had for food came out of two vending machines. I do recall that the sandwiches were really bland and horrible! Even worse than the fare offered on the Coho. However, I now consider myself very fortunate to have sailed on this wonderful old ship, albeit in her declining years. She survived so long, it is a shame she couldn't have found a new life tied to shore.
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Post by Neil on Dec 26, 2012 22:31:12 GMT -8
What a fabulous shot of her framed by the davit!! I remember the Sechelt Queen when she was on the Little River Powell River route. My first crossing was in the summer of 1973 when I was seven. We missed the first sailing because my mother locked the keys to the car in the trunk! We watched helplessly as she pulled away from the dock, knowing we would not see her again until the 3:00 sailing many hours later. Once we did get aboard, I remember the car deck was heaving in places ... very uneven. the other thing I do recall is that there was no cafeteria operational as I was used to on the BC Ferries. This was during her Min. of Hwys years and all they had for food came out of two vending machines. I do recall that the sandwiches were really bland and horrible! Even worse than the fare offered on the Coho. However, I now consider myself very fortunate to have sailed on this wonderful old ship, albeit in her declining years. She survived so long, it is a shame she couldn't have found a new life tied to shore. I have the same memories of her at that time. The Highways Ministry was not a good steward of the 'major' vessels it used on the Powell River-Comox route... passengers are better served these days by the ' Burnaby... even if it doesn't have the same cafeteria fare of the other strait crossings. I very clearly remember the washboard cardeck of the Sechelt Queen.
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Post by princessofvanfan on Dec 27, 2012 0:27:33 GMT -8
Why did she have those ugly bars across the forward lounge windows?
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Post by lselena53 on Jan 1, 2013 20:35:11 GMT -8
Not sure. Can someone recall if they were structural or aesthetic? Built in 1947, maybe it predated reinforced safety glass?
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Post by EGfleet on Feb 10, 2013 12:31:00 GMT -8
Circa 1947-55. Probably the snack bar menu, giv en the limited scope of the menu.
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 10, 2013 22:42:37 GMT -8
I apologize if this video has already appeared elsewhere on the WCFF. I stumbled upon this a short while ago while looking at this photo on RR Horne's Flickr Site. MV Chinook Black Ball Ferries 1949
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Post by Mike on Apr 20, 2013 15:25:56 GMT -8
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Post by EGfleet on Nov 21, 2013 11:22:03 GMT -8
I've been after deck plans of the Chinook/Sechelt Queen for years now. I sent in inquires to the Puget Sound Maritime Historical Society (No answer) Gibbs/Cox back in east (no answer) and Todd Shipyard (they didn't have them.) I stumbled onto this 1947 edition of Pacific Marine Review and lo and behold, they had a fold out with deckplans. I've had to shave back the size of these for posting purposes here, but if anyone one would like the full size scans, send me an email and I'll be happy to send you the full size scans. Enjoy!
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