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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 19:20:24 GMT -8
How about when the Kaleetan is the summer vessel on the Bremerton to Seattle route? By the way, have their been two Super Class vessels on the route together before? Yes, absolutely. In 1967 when the Super Class vessels were built, Hyak and Yakima were assigned to the Bremerton run and served there for 13 years until a downturn in traffic on that route led to the Supers being replaced by Issaquah-Class boats in the 1980's. Nowadays, you will occasionally have two Supers serving the route, when the maintenance schedule leads to a shuffling of boats that favours this rotation. It's not unusual to have Kaleetan and Hyak serving side-by-side, and Yakima was even on the route for a brief time a few years ago. More often than not, however, you see Kaleetan paired with Kitsap or Walla Walla. Traffic levels on the Bremerton route have finally built back up again, so much so that it really has outgrown the Issaquah-Class vessels. The commuters love it when 2 Supers are on the route, or even a Super and a Jumbo, but they hate it when Kitsap, or another Issaquah, is serving, because during the commute times, there are never enough seats on those smaller vessels. The Supers are just about the right size. They have enough seats to accommodate the commuters, and don't have the extra-large vehicle space that goes unused like when Walla Walla is on the route. When the new Olympic Class vessels get put into service, I imagine we will see the issaquah's disappear from the Bremerton route, and either have 2 Supers, or a Super and a new 144. Cool thank you for a lot bit of history about this route! |
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Oct 13, 2012 23:23:46 GMT -8
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Post by northwesterner on Oct 13, 2012 23:28:13 GMT -8
How about when the Kaleetan is the summer vessel on the Bremerton to Seattle route? By the way, have their been two Super Class vessels on the route together before? Yes, even in recent times. I have a photo of the Kaleetan and Hyak both on the run last summer. This is a neat photo because you can compare to the original wheelhouse on the Hyak to the modified one on the Kaleetan. Quite the difference. |
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Post by northwesterner on Oct 13, 2012 23:30:19 GMT -8
Kaleetan. For one, the Hyak's operations are based out of Anacortes and Kaleetan's are based out of Seattle. As it has been illustrated before, the likelihood of the Kaleetan moving anywhere off the Bremerton for a long period of time is next to none because of the above factors. And the Kaleetan has, for all intents, made its home in the last two years on the Bremerton-Seattle run. Secondly, the Walla Walla or any Jumbo class ferry is much too large for the Bremerton run. Much in the way of car deck and passenger cabin space goes unused. The best solution is to use two Supers. Either the Hyak and Kaleetan or Yakima and Kaleetan. Regardless of the assignment of the Kaleetan to Seattle for engineering staff purposes, I still have a 'personal' probablem with the Kaleetan not being paired with the Elwha, and the Hyak not being paired with the Yakima. Frequently we have the Yakima and Elwha in the San Juans, and the Hyak and Kaleetan at Bremerton. And I just can't handle it! World's are colliding! |
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 14, 2012 5:34:45 GMT -8
This is a neat photo because you can compare to the original wheelhouse on the Hyak to the modified one on the Kaleetan. Quite the difference. Well, quite an aesthetic difference, anyway.  I personally don't think that it improved the sight lines from inside the pilothouse that much, with two exceptions: the angled glass really cut down on the reflection and glare (the original windows are vertical) and the center window does give a better view during the landing. But even that was a "re-do"... the first "replacement" center window was the same width as the original. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 16:18:50 GMT -8
Looks like the latest maintenance schedule shows the Sealth at Bremerton with the Kitsap for the first week of November. Why wouldn't WSF put the Chelan on the Bremerton route instead of Sealth? Reduce the F-V-S route for a week or so to help with traffic on the Bremerton route a little. |
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Post by SolDuc on Oct 30, 2012 17:38:23 GMT -8
Looks like the latest maintenance schedule shows the Sealth at Bremerton with the Kitsap for the first week of November. Why wouldn't WSF put the Chelan on the Bremerton route instead of Sealth? Reduce the F-V-S route for a week or so to help with traffic on the Bremerton route a little. I don't know. WSF probably got reasons for that. All I know is that it is probably going to be a messy week...I'll try to ride the Sealth during that week to see how bad the traffic is... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 18:23:19 GMT -8
Why wouldn't WSF put the Chelan on the Bremerton route instead of Sealth? Reduce the F-V-S route for a week or so to help with traffic on the Bremerton route a little. I don't know. WSF probably got reasons for that. All I know is that it is probably going to be a messy week...I'll try to ride the Sealth during that week to see how bad the traffic is... I think both vessel will be at 100% Capacity on each sailing and their gone have to put extra sailing during the week the Sealth is on the route! |
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 31, 2012 6:12:27 GMT -8
I don't think so. First off, WSF doesn't do extra sailings very often at all. Second, the traffic will catch up... eventually. It's kind of self-correcting... if the line-up for Bremerton gets too deep, the "marginal" traffic--those vehicles bound for somewhere between Bremerton and Winslow--will drift over to the other run.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 13:43:20 GMT -8
Two Issaquah class will be on the Seattle to Bremerton route from November 19 to December 10 the vessels will the Sealth with 90 car capacity and the Kitsap with 124 car capacity. Two Super class will be on Seattle to Bremerton route from December 31 to January 7 and then again January 14 to January 21 the two vessels are the Kaleetan with 144 car capacity and the Hyak with 144 car capacity.
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 10, 2012 9:01:28 GMT -8
Took a ride on the Sealth yesterday!
From what I've seen the 1:30 PM sailing from Seattle had around 65 cars. The 3:00 PM sailing from Bremerton had exactly 90 cars (maximum from WSF vessel info) and left about a dozen cars at the dock but they started to "stack" the boat only from the middle (there was 3 spaces that were large enough for cars but not filled).
The 4:20 PM sailing from Seattle was over capacity at exactly a hundred cars (I don't see why WSF doesn't put the actual capacity in their website). It left at least 30 cars at Colman Dock, which proves that when there is and I-130 and a Super at Bremerton and that the I-130 is the #1 boat it still will leave cars at the dock (at least on Fridays).
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 10, 2012 11:45:24 GMT -8
(I don't see why WSF doesn't put the actual capacity in their website) Because the car capacity is based upon a standard-sized car space (I believe they figure 18 feet). I mean, really... actual capacity of a Super varies from 140 (if it's the first Saturday of the month and all of Friday Harbor is bringing their pickup trucks to Costco) to 280 (SmartCar convention at Roche Harbor). Now, add in commercial trucks to the mix... anywhere from 20 feet long but overheight to one half of a modular house (combined length of 85 feet long plus two lanes wide). "Actual" capacity is a moving target, to say the least. |
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 10, 2012 12:06:44 GMT -8
(I don't see why WSF doesn't put the actual capacity in their website) Because the car capacity is based upon a standard-sized car space (I believe they figure 18 feet). I mean, really... actual capacity of a Super varies from 140 (if it's the first Saturday of the month and all of Friday Harbor is bringing their pickup trucks to Costco) to 280 (SmartCar convention at Roche Harbor). Now, add in commercial trucks to the mix... anywhere from 20 feet long but overheight to one half of a modular house (combined length of 85 feet long plus two lanes wide). "Actual" capacity is a moving target, to say the least. Ok, I see, thanks for clearing this point. I remember that most of the traffic was cars and not any trucks. The standard vehicle is 18' long and 6'6'' wide according to a pdf that dates back when they were looking at the Steel E's replacement option. And another question, when WSF is talking capacity what is the standard space between two cars (excluding keep clear areas)? |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 11, 2012 9:47:37 GMT -8
And another question, when WSF is talking capacity what is the standard space between two cars (excluding keep clear areas)? That's a question to which I've never been able to obtain an answer. Kind of like why they figure capacity on the 18-foot space standard, yet they sell it in 20-foot increments...  |
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Post by Nick on Nov 12, 2012 3:05:06 GMT -8
That's a question to which I've never been able to obtain an answer. Kind of like why they figure capacity on the 18-foot space standard, yet they sell it in 20-foot increments... Could that be your answer? 18 foot car with 2 feet allowed for a gap? |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 12, 2012 5:34:34 GMT -8
That's a question to which I've never been able to obtain an answer. Kind of like why they figure capacity on the 18-foot space standard, yet they sell it in 20-foot increments... Could that be your answer? 18 foot car with 2 feet allowed for a gap? No, because if the gap were two feet, they would measure car spaces on the boat at 20 feet and sell them in 18-foot increments, not the other way around.  |
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Post by Nick on Nov 12, 2012 7:25:52 GMT -8
Could that be your answer? 18 foot car with 2 feet allowed for a gap? No, because if the gap were two feet, they would measure car spaces on the boat at 20 feet and sell them in 18-foot increments, not the other way around. D'oh! Chalk that one up to no coffee in the morning...  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 17:03:16 GMT -8
During the Christmas holidays does WSF operate two Super's on the route or do they use the Walla Walla plus the Kaleetan or the Kitsap?
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 13, 2012 17:08:21 GMT -8
During the Christmas holidays does WSF operate two Super's on the route or do they use the Walla Walla plus the Kaleetan or the Kitsap? Depends weather one of the JMIIs or the Jumbos is out for maintenance. Two supers can probably handle the traffic just fine, even in the summer. (Except for Memorial day and Labor day maybe? but the whole system also receives a lot of traffic) |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 13, 2012 17:44:12 GMT -8
WSF doesn't typically swap out boats for an anticipated two-to-four day traffic increase; whatever is available to work on the run, works on the run. And unfortunately during that time of year WSF is usually trying to get boats through annual maintenance.
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 13, 2012 18:53:38 GMT -8
And, we can now add Walla Walla's unscheduled layup to the fray, which makes things a little bit more interesting this refit season. The latest maintenance schedule shows Kaleetan and Kitsap serving Bremerton during the Christmas season. That, of course, can change at any time.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Nov 13, 2012 19:25:59 GMT -8
Hell, the Kaleetan and Kitsap might as well call their home the Brem/Sea run, much to the chagrin of people who commute the damned route stuck to standing room only on the latter.
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 13, 2012 22:37:48 GMT -8
I am planning to do a trip to Discovery Park sometime next week. Does anybody knows of you can get pretty good shots of the Seattle routes as well as Ed-Ki? Or is it too far?
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Nov 13, 2012 22:44:44 GMT -8
If you have a long lens, sure, although the quality of the shot won't be as good. When I did a photoshoot for a client at Columbia Tower last year I did a test of a 500mm lens I have towards the northwest and when I got home, I discovered that I'd photographed the Puyallup at the Kingston ferry dock. This is the photo. The distance in a straight line is fifteen miles.  |
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Post by SolDuc on Nov 20, 2012 16:28:15 GMT -8
Is the "protector" pier at the Bremerton marina public?
(What I mean by Bremerton marina is the one right between the ferry dock and the warship (Turner Joy))
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I personally don't think that it improved the sight lines from inside the pilothouse that much, with two exceptions: the angled glass really cut down on the reflection and glare (the original windows are vertical) and the center window does give a better view during the landing. But even that was a "re-do"... the first "replacement" center window was the same width as the original.
