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Post by Steve Rosenow on Nov 20, 2012 17:51:08 GMT -8
I don't think it is. Not from what I can tell, anyways, the public pier is at best even limited. I'd love to get out there myself and take some shots of the Kaleetan not possible otherwise, but...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 19:22:51 GMT -8
Bremerton/Seattle schedule from 1979 and they ran on the hour every hour each side until after peak and the last sailing left seattle at 02:10 and stopped at Bainbridge Island then proceesed to Bremerton. I think the sailings ever hour should come back. I see the come back of the 2:10 am from sailing from Seattle should stop at Bainbridge Island then proceesed to Bremerton during the late fall, winter, early fall schedule it would maybe save some money because they would not need to run the Tacoma on that sailing to Bainbridge Island only.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 19:54:11 GMT -8
M/V HYAK AND HER SISTER M/V KALEETAN ARE DUE TO WORK TOGETHER AT THEIR ORIGINAL 13+ (1967-!980) YEAR STOMPING GROUND BREMERTON/SEATTLE IN EARLY 2013. THOUGH THE PAIR HAVE ALSO BEEN FOND OF THIS HOME (1999-PRESENT) THEY THE 4 ARE WELL KNOWN IN THE SAN JUANS 1981-PRESENT Why should the Kaleetan, and the Hyak work together on the Bremerton to Seattle route?
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Post by SolDuc on Dec 5, 2012 14:12:21 GMT -8
M/V HYAK AND HER SISTER M/V KALEETAN ARE DUE TO WORK TOGETHER AT THEIR ORIGINAL 13+ (1967-!980) YEAR STOMPING GROUND BREMERTON/SEATTLE IN EARLY 2013. THOUGH THE PAIR HAVE ALSO BEEN FOND OF THIS HOME (1999-PRESENT) THEY THE 4 ARE WELL KNOWN IN THE SAN JUANS 1981-PRESENT Why should the Kaleetan, and the Hyak work together on the Bremerton to Seattle route? Good Question. I think that either the Yakima and Hyak or Kaleetan and Yakima would be a good duo. That is if the boats get wifi, and currently the Kaleetan is the only one with it. Bremerton/Seattle schedule from 1979 and they ran on the hour every hour each side until after peak and the last sailing left Seattle at 02:10 and stopped at Bainbridge Island then proceesed to Bremerton. I think the sailings every hour should come back. I see the come back of the 2:10 am from sailing from Seattle should stop at Bainbridge Island then proceesed to Bremerton during the late fall, winter, early spring schedule it would maybe save some money because they would not need to run the Tacoma on that sailing to Bainbridge Island only. That would certainly be a good option (even though the Tacoma will have to run to Bainbridge for the return trip. But I guess that with the Super's speed 3 knots lower than back then and a longer time at the dock because of their narrow beams, it would be impossible. 80 minute frequency in place of the actual 90+ should be feasible though. And I think that even the JMIIs use less fuel than the Supers for additional capacity (that is at same speed though)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 17:10:51 GMT -8
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 28, 2012 18:58:19 GMT -8
Slip 2 is utilized for tie-ups as we base all our vessels out of the western ends for the Central Sound routes being Edmonds-Kingston, Seattle-Bainbridge Island, Seattle-Bremerton.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 12, 2013 3:22:59 GMT -8
Came across this rather, um, idiotic gem. Apparently it was written just several days ago. www.kitsapsun.com/news/2013/jan/03/my-turn-equitable-solution-for-bremerton-ferry/The author (presumably a resident writing an op-ed piece) suggests closing the auto ferry side of the Bremerton run and instead forcing everything up to either Kingston or Bainbridge Island, and lowering the fares elsewhere but Bremerton. In the rather long comment stream (most of which seemed to support the idea - rather alarmingly I'll add), I noticed a post with the same kind of Eastern Washington "ferry system sucks" mentality. Furthermore, he also seemed oblivious to history... Here's his misstep: It is that sort of mentality I cannot stand and it saddens me that people that claim to be a Washington resident are oblivious to history. I posted a reply, awaiting moderation and addition there, that pretty much put the guy in his place. It also put the far-fetched notion that closing the Bremerton auto ferry run is a wise idea. This is what I posted: I love how everyone seems to pick on Bremerton, not realizing that Bremerton itself is becoming alive again with an economic upswing since the new transit center and surrounding areas were improved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:11:43 GMT -8
Came across this rather, um, idiotic gem. Apparently it was written just several days ago. www.kitsapsun.com/news/2013/jan/03/my-turn-equitable-solution-for-bremerton-ferry/The author (presumably a resident writing an op-ed piece) suggests closing the auto ferry side of the Bremerton run and instead forcing everything up to either Kingston or Bainbridge Island, and lowering the fares elsewhere but Bremerton. In the rather long comment stream (most of which seemed to support the idea - rather alarmingly I'll add), I noticed a post with the same kind of Eastern Washington "ferry system sucks" mentality. Furthermore, he also seemed oblivious to history... Here's his misstep: It is that sort of mentality I cannot stand and it saddens me that people that claim to be a Washington resident are oblivious to history. I posted a reply, awaiting moderation and addition there, that pretty much put the guy in his place. It also put the far-fetched notion that closing the Bremerton auto ferry run is a wise idea. This is what I posted: I love how everyone seems to pick on Bremerton, not realizing that Bremerton itself is becoming alive again with an economic upswing since the new transit center and surrounding areas were improved. If their closed Bremerton ferry terminal would they need to add another vessel to the Fauntleroy / Southworth route, the Seattle / Bainbridge Island route and the Edmonds / Kingston for the increase of passenger and cars?
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 12, 2013 17:06:37 GMT -8
If their closed Bremerton ferry terminal would they need to add another vessel to the Fauntleroy / Southworth route, the Seattle / Bainbridge Island route and the Edmonds / Kingston for the increase of passenger and cars? As Steve pointed out, closing the auto ferry run to Bremerton would be disastrous. Adding another vessel to other routes is not an answer. Those vehicles have to get to the other terminals, and the land side infrastructure (ie. roads and highways) is not up to the task of taking on that additional traffic. The ONLY way I could ever see such a proposal working would be to replace Bremerton with direct car ferry service between Seattle and Southworth, which, in turn, would break up the F-V-S triangle, and necessitate expanding the Southworth terminal with a larger holding area for vehicles and a second slip; something that really cannot happen without buying out all of the adjacent properties. Southworth does not have the room to grow. But, putting aside my skepticism for a minute, If we pretend that expanding Southworth is feasible, there are additional complications with the road network on that side. Route 160 (Sedgwick Road) would have to be widened to accommodate the additional ferry traffic, and that is a long stretch of highway to widen between the ferry terminal and the SR16 Freeway. Bremerton would then get passenger-only ferry service, and Kitsap Transit, or whoever is running the boats, would really have to bump up the level of service to make that a viable option for commuters. So, even this little fantasy which I have outlined here is not particularly feasible, or a very good idea, either. Fact is, Bremerton is very much an important run in the system, and I do not see it going away anytime soon.
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 14, 2013 21:19:31 GMT -8
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 22, 2013 22:29:43 GMT -8
Ha-ha! Found the answer to my question: From the did you know here
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Jan 22, 2013 22:35:57 GMT -8
Ha-ha! Found the answer to my question: From the did you know hereI'll be damned. Looks like we both found a good spot to take photos from! I wonder if it still wears the scars from when the Yakima smashed into it!
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 22, 2013 22:44:11 GMT -8
I wonder if it still wears the scars from when the Yakima smashed into it! Didn't they have to rebuild the whole marina? Looks like it in google earth.
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 22, 2013 22:44:48 GMT -8
And hopefully the Yakima won't crash into it again in the upcoming week.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 10, 2013 14:59:20 GMT -8
Is it possible to go from the holding lanes to Harborside Fountain park/the Kitsap transit building? Google maps/earth doesn't show anything identifiable as a pathway or similar.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 10, 2013 15:27:34 GMT -8
Is it possible to go from the holding lanes to Harborside Fountain park/the Kitsap transit building? Google maps/earth doesn't show anything identifiable as a pathway or similar. Not unless you take the far-side staircase or elevators. There's another way, but it's dangerous and possibly illegal. Involves climbing underneath the fence at an open spot adjacent the two buildings to the right of Slip 2. Only works under low tide, too. As I understand, there used to be a pathway from the holding lanes to Harborside Fountain Park, that didn't involve going up topside to the terminal building elevators, but it was done away with some years back due to vandalism.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 10, 2013 15:36:13 GMT -8
Not unless you take the far-side staircase or elevators. In front of the Passenger only building/pier?
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 10, 2013 15:43:32 GMT -8
Not unless you take the far-side staircase or elevators. In front of the Passenger only building/pier? Yep, the ones directly opposite that.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 10, 2013 15:49:51 GMT -8
In front of the Passenger only building/pier? Yep, the ones directly opposite that. Ok, that's what I thought. Thanks!
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 10, 2013 22:27:15 GMT -8
Wouldn't a JMII be able to do Bremerton to Seattle?
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Post by FNS on Mar 10, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -8
Wouldn't a JMII be able to do Bremerton to Seattle? If Bremerton can handle a 90-foot wide ferry and that one could transit through Rich Passage as successfully like her 1972 cousins.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 10, 2013 22:42:39 GMT -8
Wouldn't a JMII be able to do Bremerton to Seattle? If Bremerton can handle a 90-foot wide ferry and that one could transit through Rich Passage as successfully like her 1972 cousins. Well the 1972 cousins are only 3' skinnier or so, and it doesn't seem like the dock at Bremerton is tight for them. Of course with he pretty large walke that the JMIIs produce they would need to slow down in rich passage. But capacity would just be too much for Bremerton both in terms of cars and passengers. If the JMIIs ate replaced by larger boats at Bainbridge I could possibly see 2 of then at Ed-Ki, one up in the San Juans (operating at reduced speed in the narrow passages and summer and shoulder season only), and finally the two Jumbos at Bremerton.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 10, 2013 23:11:19 GMT -8
One thing to consider, is that when the Hyak was first built, the traffic on the Bremerton-to-Seattle route technically didn't justify its presence. Most of the early photos of the Hyak I've seen and most of the early accounts of it being on that route, were of a mostly-empty ferry in terms of vehicle count on off-peak runs and the passenger lounges would only be around 3/4 full (postwar downturn plus economic conditions of the late 1960s-early 1970s)
I suspect that if WSF ever placed a Jumbo MkII on the Bremerton run, traffic would naturally go to where the bigger boat is.
That's what happened when the Jumbos were built and placed on the Winslow run in the 1970s. Before they were built, the Bremerton route was the breadwinner for the ferry system.
If memory serves me correctly, that's also why the Bremerton side of the Colman ferry terminal was expanded in the early 1990s, with the most traffic holding lanes. I think they had the future in mind, considering the fact that Bremerton is still going through an economic revival - albeit a slow one.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 10, 2013 23:22:42 GMT -8
Addendum:
It's sorta sickening, I think... To me, I think the state ferry system has been systematically screwing the folks of Bremerton over. To be a little blunt about it - I think they're bending the citizens of Bremerton and south Kitsap County over, and not even providing KY in the process.
Any time the Kitsap or any Issaquah-class boat is placed on the run, there's always times where cars are left at the dock and that's no matter what time of year it is. Especially on the morning and evening commuter times. I can cite a few instances where the Chelan and Kitsap both - in off-peak, non-Summer ferry travel season, have been standing room only in the passenger lounges and have had zero room on the car deck.
One instance was an early morning crossing on Christmas Eve, 2010. I was the last car on the ferry on the first morning departure (having nearly missed it; my destination was my brother and sister-in-law's house in E. Washington) and the safety net was literally wrapping around my car's back bumper. There were also five cars left at the dock that morning as we were pulling away from Slip 1.
Part of the reason why traffic saw a downturn in the 1980s is because of the Reagan-led economic downturn. Traffic since the late 1990s, actually has been on an increase ever since Bremerton underwent a major economic facelift near the ferry dock - which is still continuing to this day as a matter of fact.
Personally, I think that if a Jumbo MkII were placed on the run, it might be a success story.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 10, 2013 23:24:15 GMT -8
If memory serves me correctly, that's also why the Bremerton side of the Colman ferry terminal was expanded in the early 1990s, with the most traffic holding lanes. I think they had the future in mind, considering the fact that Bremerton is still going through an economic revival - albeit a slow one. I'm actually not sure if they had very specific lanes for each route. I guess that like today, they'd have a basic area to where the first cars get sent, and they they fill it from there. But the main disadvantage of Bremerton is the day traffic. Ed-Ki and Sea-Bi are gateways to the Olympic Peninsula and beyond, but Bremerton is only there for more local traffic to/from the Kitsap peninsula. Reducing service to one boat during a typical weekday from ~9:30 to ~1:30 would not cause overloads at all, except maybe during the summer. Of course it would have a terrible impact on both sides of the sound but it would be the best option to save money.
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