I must say I am still on the fence with this up-date. Things I thought were neat do not seem to work the way I was expecting, I thought the follow thing would give some kind of a notice when who ever you are following posts something. Guess I was wrong on that one.
I also am a big fan of the recent threads, its a good tool that allows me to quickly check and see whats going on.
Hats off to all the moderators for working the forum through this change!
Edit: This being my first post since the up-date, I have fallen off the fence! Not a fan of the new way to actually post.
Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 19, 2013 16:05:18 GMT -8
...and here I am back at home, where the row of postings/editing icons is now visible to me again, as well as the gear-wheel for moderator-tools.
Unknown why I can't see these important items from my work computer, but it sounds like a problem that's affecting more than just me (Scott can't do proper forum work with his tablet).
I'll be honest: this type of stuff really kills the enjoyment of the forum. It frustrates me
For those of you who've been appreciating a clean forum (ie. spam and posting-errors removed promptly), I'm sorry that this won't be able to happen as much anymore. - If you don't like that, tell ProBoards because they gave us an inferior product.
They say that as people age they become more resistant to change. I am not far away from 60 now, so I am supposed to be one of those old curmudgeons that detests change such as we have here. Keeping that in mind, I have been trying to be very much open-minded about this 'improvement' that we have here with Pro-Boards V5 software.
Photobucket improved their website recently. I checked it out and was less than impressed. They allow you, however, to revert back to the previous interface, which I did. They keep inviting me embrace their new site which I continue to ignore.
By contrast, Flickr has yet to do a major re-working of their site. I am very comfortable with how things work there. Although I can see some opportunities for improvements, I would not be happy to see Flickr completely revamp their site (like photobucket did) such that you have to learn all over again how to find your way around.
Then there is Microsoft Office... They had their interface just fine as far as I can see with the 2003 version. Since that time however, they have revised the interface twice (V2007 & V2010), with another revision coming very soon. They are basically forcing me to relearn how to do things as simple as printing a document. Why?
So, coming back to PB V5... Arguably the interface now looks prettier (or is it just different). I find it more difficult to scan what is new & what I want to check out. I don't have a lot of use for the new razz-ma-taz, such as being able to 'like' posts as on Face Book (why no dislike button), or the 'follow' & be 'followed' & 'friended' functions. Apparently Proboards will happily sell me stuff to shower upon other members. I can for instance buy snowballs and then peg them at Mr. Horn just for the hell of it. This stuff in my mind detracts from the forum.
So overall the change does not appear to be for the better. Much of what I dislike about Facebook is now incorporated into PB V5. Hopefully I will get used to the new ways & the bugs will be worked out. This together with with 'other irritants' is lessening my enjoyment from this forum.
I think that it was Oceaneer who lamented the lack of substance of late in this forum. I am to some extent with him. This forum has always been a place for both serious discussion of issues, and ferry 'fan-boy' adulation. On balance, that is okay, but when its predominantly fan-boy stuff, I find it a bit tiresome. The current 'Ferry Memes' thread on the WSF side is an example of such.
Photo & video posting... I think we need ask all members to self police the photos & videos that they post such that they understand that quality, not quantity, is what is important. I am seeing way too many repetitious photos of the same ship, and worse, photos of ships way off in the distance. Perhaps a bit of 'Shipspotting type' rules would be a good thing.
I am not trying to be offensive to some members but frankly some (in most cases new) members simply post too frequently. Perhaps we need a 'five posts maximum' per day rule for new members for their first year. Perhaps this would encourage them to save posts for things they see as important.
Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jan 19, 2013 19:08:55 GMT -8
Things are much better now that I'm on my computer and not on my tablet...
Jim, is absolutely correct - ProBoards has taken a page from Facebook in V5. While it's graphically heavier (more eye candy), some functions have now become more complex than what they were in V4.5. The whole friend thing and the liking of posts is taken straight from Facebook, but I don't think we've seen its full potential yet as we're only one of the very few running V5.
As the software rolls out across all ProBoards' forums, we'll likely see some tweaks and changes, as well as more customization available to us.
The one thing that I am a bit of a fan of is the like button, I look at it as I can show that I agree or appreciate something with out having to make the "Cool pic" or "I totally agree/disagree" (with no explanation of why). And at the same time I wish they would have a dislike button.
As for the posting limit, in some cases I feel it would not be a bad thing. I am new here and the short period I have been a part of this forum I have less then 100 posts, and to this day I am learning how to "fit in?". I enjoy reading and learning every day and put my two cents in when I have a strong feeling about something. I have thousands of pictures but for the most of them I have found a shot that is very close already posted, and unless I can get a shot that is different in some way or of better quality, why post it? Everyone has already seen it!
I like the like button because I like people photos. The other thing I like is the posting with the Visual. I think if you put posting limit on new members it should be for the first three month. I have too been learning on how to "fit in?"
Last Edit: Jan 19, 2013 22:25:02 GMT -8 by Deleted
I will share my point of view on WCK's irritants: re-fanboy things: As long as all of it is in the same thread, I personally don't care. Think about all those "ferry memes" dispersed through ferry-specific threads
re-photos: Yes, I did notice that (especially with HSB pictures from the public pier), and I totally agree that quality is way more important than quantity. Perhaps limiting your always-taken-pictures to one or two per boat would be good. I guess this rule would make members discover more vantage points, thus creating more diverse pictures.
re-posting limits: as long as it is applied to new members, then I am also going for this one. 7 posts per day until 1 month/when moderators feel like it's ok/reach of 50 posts (Deckhand). Should though exclude threads like New members or equivalents.
Plus: yes I do think that V5 is a downgrading version of proboards. I hate the visual editor (I switched back to BBCode after 3 posts), the fact that you can't expand the quick reply box, and that posts for the day are not in bold.
In other news, the mobile app now totally sucks. Most of the features no longer work, including the ability to modify posts and quote other posts (I had to manually type in the wording for the above Awesome Cheese quote). Add into this the disappearance of avatars, flawed Latest Posts section, and the inability for it to load 85% of images posted before the upgrade, it's almost completely lost it's functionality, and DEFINITELY not worth your $2.99.
Don't touch this app with a ten foot pole until they work through this. While I understand the concept of teething issues (we are ferry nerds after all), this is getting old fast, and is pretty frustrating.
If I could quote Jim properly I would, but I can't apparently, so I'll throw this in: he brings up an interesting point regarding the 'fanboy' thing and 'like' button, and I think that has to do with ProBoards appealing to the market of social media dwellers, pushing beyond the horizon of just a nerdy forum. I agree it's a distraction from serious discussion, although I do see why it was done.
One thing I am really missing now is the old 80 most recent posts setup: I found the interface quite excellent, and having it all on one page gave one the ability to pick up where they left off. Now, it's scrolling through page after page, with no clear separation of posts. And when you click on a thread, it seems to send you to either the first or last page, completely at random, without any logical explanation. Frustrating.
This change certainly has caused some grumpiness. Even complaints unrelated to the 'upgrade' have come up here.
Although I'm certainly not conservative when it comes to politics, in life I sometimes tend in that direction. If something works well enough, don't screw around with it. I don't always buy the current mantra that change is always good. And when it comes to the cyber world, I think there's way too much superficiality, and an emphasis on style over substance. There's also a whole army of techno-geeks who love changing the look of computer programs, just because.
So, I am here to say that I need help. I have tried to do the upgrade as instructed to do. Proboards and WCFF will not recognize my original info. As I do not know any other forum member to ask for help, I had to create a new account on WCFF to be able to communicate and relay my problem. Has any other member been locked out from upgrading an existing account? I am all for upgrading accounts, and it makes sense on what they are doing, but my info original info is not being recognized, and it is very frustrating. I have been a member for 5 years and have never had problems. Obviously it is something I am doing or not doing. Would a forum administraitor assist me in upgrading my account? Thank you, old_wsf_fan (old username)