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Post by compdude787 on Mar 8, 2013 17:10:12 GMT -8
Unless the policy has changed, you used to be able to get beer on a WSF ferry! You still can, but sales stop halfway thru the run or, if the run is longer than 30 minutes, sales stop 15 minutes before the ferry docks.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 8, 2013 17:15:10 GMT -8
Unless the policy has changed, you used to be able to get beer on a WSF ferry! You still can, but sales stop halfway thru the run or, if the run is longer than 30 minutes, sales stop 15 minutes before the ferry docks. Why do you know that? I thought you cannot drink in Washington state unlit your 21 years old.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 8, 2013 17:34:29 GMT -8
You still can, but sales stop halfway thru the run or, if the run is longer than 30 minutes, sales stop 15 minutes before the ferry docks. Why do you know that? I thought you can drink in Washington state unlit your 21 years old. I just know because I remember random things like that. Not that I've ever drank beer or anything before. I'm not 21 years old yet. PS: you still need to work on checking your posts for clarity before posting them.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 8, 2013 20:29:01 GMT -8
You still can, but sales stop halfway thru the run or, if the run is longer than 30 minutes, sales stop 15 minutes before the ferry docks. Why do you know that? I thought you can drink in Washington state unlit your 21 years old. This is true. State law says anyone under the age of 21 cannot buy alcohol nor consume it. However, state law also says anyone appearing to be under the age of 40 must have their identity confirmed by the cashier by way of asking for proof of identification before any sale is finalized. And yes, we Washingtonians still can buy it on them. The Kaleetan still has signs present in the galley up top on No. 2 End warning about those rules.
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 8, 2013 20:45:21 GMT -8
Why do you know that? I thought you can drink in Washington state unlit your 21 years old. This is true. State law says anyone under the age of 21 cannot buy alcohol nor consume it. However, state law also says anyone appearing to be under the age of 40 must have their identity confirmed by the cashier by way of asking for proof of identification before any sale is finalized. And yes, we Washingtonians still can buy it on them. The Kaleetan still has signs present in the galley up top on No. 2 End warning about those rules. And don't forget that all Alcohol must remain inside of the galley area!
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Post by dofd on Mar 8, 2013 21:52:50 GMT -8
I always enjoyed a quick beer commuting from Bainbridge Island back to Seattle. Mostly in the summer. But the hot food was something to stay away from.
Sorry, edit: my travel time was the years before 2007.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 8, 2013 21:53:35 GMT -8
Wow, this thread has gotten so off-topic! So how did we get to talking about alcohol again?
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Post by Neil on Mar 8, 2013 22:19:22 GMT -8
I don't see a lot of substance coming from any mooted initiative to co-ordinate BC Ferries and WSF. The two systems have some similarities, but their mandate these days seems to be somewhat different. I don't hear any talk of WSF being required to pay its own way, where on this side of the border, BC Ferries is officially charged with becoming as self sufficient as possible. WSF is seen as a public transit utility; BCF as a 'private' company seeking self sufficiency.
WSF has to build in Washington, while BCF sends contracts to the lowest bidder. And with regard to sharing vessels, regulations in either country probably makes that impossible, and even if it weren't, we know how difficult it is for BC Ferries to shift vessels around where crews aren't trained on life saving equipment, so add to that the complication of foreign standards and procedures. There are different numbers for required crew on either side of the border.
As was suggested in a previous post, maybe some technology regarding LNG could be shared. But on a practical level, I don't see much else coming of this notion. I think it's a matter of public officials wanting to be seen to be exploring every angle for efficiency.
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Post by dofd on Mar 8, 2013 22:35:52 GMT -8
I think the LNG project is the best hope for any coordination BC Ferries and WSF, but sharing ships (with this climate, not going to happen). But maybe one day. It would be nice to see the free border again.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on Mar 9, 2013 0:46:51 GMT -8
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 9, 2013 9:15:44 GMT -8
Wow, this thread has gotten so off-topic! So how did we get to talking about alcohol again? Probably after there was talk about Bacon Cheeseburgers. We have White Spot Triple O burgers aboard our ferries Route 1 and 2. What does Washington State Ferries have? Jack In The Box? Could't be Carl's Jr. (had one of those while in California as I never saw a Carl's Jr before and decided to try it out. Once was enough, thank you..) Does WSF offer Krispy Kremes? No WSF does not have Jack in the Box, nor do they have Carl's Jr. or Krispy Kremes. They just have some random vendor company, God knows who they are. I would kill for them to have Five Guys on board!!!
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 9, 2013 9:16:39 GMT -8
You know, all these posts about food and beer should be moved to the WSF food service thread.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 9, 2013 10:17:34 GMT -8
You know, all these posts about food and beer should be moved to the WSF food service thread. haha, find the person that started or perpetuated (or complained about) this off-topic, and sign him up as a moderator to do the housekeeping work at the beck and call of those who go off topic and then comment on posts needing to be moved ! ------------------- Next time someone feels the need to go offtopic and petpetuate it, and for those situations where someone will later say that posts should be moved, simply start that discussion in the appropriate topic to begin with. But in my experience, I've found that keeping posts on-topic is a bit more difficult than herding cats.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Mar 9, 2013 11:04:26 GMT -8
You know, all these posts about food and beer should be moved to the WSF food service thread. haha, find the person that started or perpetuated (or complained about) this off-topic, and sign him up as a moderator to do the housekeeping work at the beck and call of those who go off topic and then comment on posts needing to be moved ! ------------------- Next time someone feels the need to go offtopic and petpetuate it, and for those situations where someone will later say that posts should be moved, simply start that discussion in the appropriate topic to begin with. But in my experience, I've found that keeping posts on-topic is a bit more difficult than herding cats. Meow.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 9, 2013 11:07:12 GMT -8
But in my experience, I've found that keeping posts on-topic is a bit more difficult than herding cats. Meow. For those occasional times when we anticipate lots of discussion on an event or new item, we'll do a pre-emtive moderating message instructing participants about which thread should be used for the ensuing discussion. I've often referred to that as "Thread Herding"
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Post by Northern Exploration on Mar 9, 2013 11:20:16 GMT -8
I don't see a lot of substance coming from any mooted initiative to co-ordinate BC Ferries and WSF. The two systems have some similarities, but their mandate these days seems to be somewhat different. I don't hear any talk of WSF being required to pay its own way, where on this side of the border, BC Ferries is officially charged with becoming as self sufficient as possible. WSF is seen as a public transit utility; BCF as a 'private' company seeking self sufficiency. WSF has to build in Washington, while BCF sends contracts to the lowest bidder. And with regard to sharing vessels, regulations in either country probably makes that impossible, and even if it weren't, we know how difficult it is for BC Ferries to shift vessels around where crews aren't trained on life saving equipment, so add to that the complication of foreign standards and procedures. There are different numbers for required crew on either side of the border. As was suggested in a previous post, maybe some technology regarding LNG could be shared. But on a practical level, I don't see much else coming of this notion. I think it's a matter of public officials wanting to be seen to be exploring every angle for efficiency. Outside of LNG, LPG or any other alternative fuels, I see this as somewhat impractical. Around here the new Provincial transportation agency called MetroLinxs is doing something positive by sharing regional transportation concerns across jurisdictions. Even then you have the TTC or other group often resisting something in a territorial manner. For example they were going to ignore the regional fare card Presto, and establish their own just for the TTC. That thankfully got shelved and they were forced to cooperate. That means one fare card could apply to up to a dozen different transportation modes and systems. On the positive, recent "ganged" bus orders have resulted in much savings for the smaller individual operators. For this to yield much more results with WSF and BCF, you would see one type of local short run ferry designed and developed that would meet both systems needs, one for larger protected runs, and then one for longer more open runs (latter mostly for BCF). I just don't see that level of cooperation happening not only in two jurisdictions but across a country border. By the time any customizing is done for TC and the USCG, and other differences, much of the savings will be offset. If one goes into dream mode, and TC and USCG merged their standards, the Jones Act was set aside and cross border building of ferries and components a la the Autopact were to take place, etc. etc., you would save a wack of taxpayer money. But if you believe that fantasy then I have some prime land in Florida complete with its own water supply and wildlife (swamp and gators) to sell.
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Post by paulvanb on Mar 9, 2013 13:47:33 GMT -8
The Bud steel-electric - very cool! Five Guys rule too.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 9, 2013 14:06:55 GMT -8
You know, all these posts about food and beer should be moved to the WSF food service thread. haha, find the person that started or perpetuated (or complained about) this off-topic, and sign him up as a moderator to do the housekeeping work at the beck and call of those who go off topic and then comment on posts needing to be moved ! ------------------- Next time someone feels the need to go offtopic and petpetuate it, and for those situations where someone will later say that posts should be moved, simply start that discussion in the appropriate topic to begin with. But in my experience, I've found that keeping posts on-topic is a bit more difficult than herding cats. Okay...I guess it doesn't really matter. After all, it's funny to see how easily we can go off on a tangent.
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Post by compdude787 on Mar 9, 2013 14:16:22 GMT -8
Around here the new Provincial transportation agency called MetroLinxs is doing something positive by sharing regional transportation concerns across jurisdictions. Even then you have the TTC or other group often resisting something in a territorial manner. For example they were going to ignore the regional fare card Presto, and establish their own just for the TTC. That thankfully got shelved and they were forced to cooperate. That means one fare card could apply to up to a dozen different transportation modes and systems. On the positive, recent "ganged" bus orders have resulted in much savings for the smaller individual operators. That sounds a lot like the Orca card we have here, which can be used on several different bus systems in Puget Sound, as well as on the Link light rail and Sounder commuter train. IIRC, it can also be used on WSF. BTW who is "TTC?"
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 9, 2013 16:15:43 GMT -8
TTC = Toronto Transit Commission.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Mar 10, 2013 18:32:13 GMT -8
TTC = Toronto Transit Commission. Correct I should have explained the short forms better. Yes very similar to the ORCA card. This card will work for 9 or 10 regional and local transit systems out of 16 that are supposed to cooperate together. Our ferries don't carry enough commuters so they may or may not join in the future. The goal is to have 2.5 million people using the cards by 2016. An example of co-operation but in the transit sector is the Airport Express Trains being purchased in Toronto for the Downtown to Toronto Pearson Airport Express. They piggy-backed on an order from the Sonoma-Marin Area Transit systems in California for trains from Japan. It saved considerable money and enabled trains to be delivered faster because the order was already defined. www.metrolinx.com/en/projectsandprograms/upexpress/upexpress.aspxAgain beyond technical sharing or perhaps purchasing similar components (radars, radios, electronics) the Jones Act prevents a joint Flensburg order or WMG joint order . Under the Auto Pact materials and components for a car can cross back and forth across the border dozens of times before a car rolls off the assembly line in either country. Something similar in shipping could mean blocks for construction could be manufactured in both countries and then assembled together in a shipyard on either side. Like the Spirits or the like FSG does all on its own yard, but across the border. The LPG arena could be an interesting sharing arena though but on a smaller scale.
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Post by 1foot2ships on Aug 6, 2022 19:58:32 GMT -8
Just for the purposes of reviving dead threads, I think you guys were thinking too 'big' back then. BCF and WSF are probably too different to do anything in tandem unless it's to jointly procure a ferry order, but then again, we all know there are large headaches when considering ferry builds around these parts... So in thinking 'small' and piggybacking on that idea ( @northern exploration, compdude787), I think a big opportunity could be done with a summer travel pass, like how they have rail passes for tourists in Europe. I'm just tossing around ideas, but two problems off the top of my head: 1. This would be super expensive b/c now we are talking about RVs. 2. This would benefit BCF waaaaaay more than WSF, BB, and AMH, so it wouldn't be really fair. 3._____ add more weakness here ___
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Post by wanderlust90 on Aug 8, 2022 7:55:24 GMT -8
Just for the purposes of reviving dead threads, I think you guys were thinking too 'big' back then. BCF and WSF are probably too different to do anything in tandem unless it's to jointly procure a ferry order, but then again, we all know there are large headaches when considering ferry builds around these parts... So in thinking 'small' and piggybacking on that idea ( @northern exploration, compdude787 ), I think a big opportunity could be done with a summer travel pass, like how they have rail passes for tourists in Europe. I'm just tossing around ideas, but two problems off the top of my head: 1. This would be super expensive b/c now we are talking about RVs. 2. This would benefit BCF waaaaaay more than WSF, BB, and AMH, so it wouldn't be really fair. 3._____ add more weakness here ___ A "Sail Pass" would be awesome but would there be enough users to justify implementation? At this point I believe it's just a pipe dream. Rail Passes typically are advantageous when multiple services call at the same station. Take Amsterdam Centraal, for instance. Once can take the Eurostar from London, and then board Deutsche Bahn to Germany, Thalys to France, etc. without leaving the station. Connections are less feasible on our end. There is no direct connection from Anacortes (WSF) to Fairhaven (AMHS). Victoria may be easier to link up, between Coho at Victoria Harbor, WSF at Sidney (if/when reinstated), and BCF at Swartz Bay. AMHS and BCF are co-located at Prince Rupert, but then again, is there enough through traffic there to make a "Sail Pass" feasible?
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Post by Neil on Aug 8, 2022 16:45:56 GMT -8
Just for the purposes of reviving dead threads, I think you guys were thinking too 'big' back then. BCF and WSF are probably too different to do anything in tandem unless it's to jointly procure a ferry order, but then again, we all know there are large headaches when considering ferry builds around these parts... So in thinking 'small' and piggybacking on that idea ( @northern exploration, compdude787 ), I think a big opportunity could be done with a summer travel pass, like how they have rail passes for tourists in Europe. I'm just tossing around ideas, but two problems off the top of my head: 1. This would be super expensive b/c now we are talking about RVs. 2. This would benefit BCF waaaaaay more than WSF, BB, and AMH, so it wouldn't be really fair. 3._____ add more weakness here ___ A "Sail Pass" would be awesome but would there be enough users to justify implementation? At this point I believe it's just a pipe dream. Rail Passes typically are advantageous when multiple services call at the same station. Take Amsterdam Centraal, for instance. Once can take the Eurostar from London, and then board Deutsche Bahn to Germany, Thalys to France, etc. without leaving the station. Connections are less feasible on our end. There is no direct connection from Anacortes (WSF) to Fairhaven (AMHS). Victoria may be easier to link up, between Coho at Victoria Harbor, WSF at Sidney (if/when reinstated), and BCF at Swartz Bay. AMHS and BCF are co-located at Prince Rupert, but then again, is there enough through traffic there to make a "Sail Pass" feasible? I don't think there are enough people who do extensive ferry travel on both sides of the border to justify the administrative costs of some kind of joint pass between the two systems.
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