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Post by cbachmeier on Dec 23, 2020 1:31:29 GMT -8
Quickly go and trademark the name Salish Bear! According to the Government of Canada Trademark Filings Website (Which was used previously this year to find the names of some of the Island Class and Malespina Sky, BC Ferries has Trademarked Kingfisher, Sandpiper, and Heron (which will probably be names of #4 and others unless they come up with something different) www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/home?lang=engDespite one of the Saturna Island tribes logging 150 acres of trees in spring 2019 (which can maybe been seen from space if you look hard enough but I am not sure). and damaging the habitats of animals, as well as strain on the narrow roads on the island where my cabin is, I do have much respect for the first nations, I think Salish Bear would be the best choice because a bear in first nations art would look super cool on the side of Salish #4, I have been trying to think of others, Salish sea but that is not an animal, or Salish spirit, but that could be used for other vessel classes later on.
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Post by cbachmeier on Dec 23, 2020 17:46:19 GMT -8
I just checked "Salish Bear" is not trademarked by BC Ferries.
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Post by pacificcat99 on Mar 23, 2021 9:52:52 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Mar 23, 2021 10:01:11 GMT -8
I like the name, as well as the entire overall class theme. Well done.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 23, 2021 12:26:15 GMT -8
I like the name, as well as the entire overall class theme. Well done. I will call it the ‘Salish GBH’ (birder slang).
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Post by cbachmeier on Mar 24, 2021 13:24:34 GMT -8
I think the next Salish class vessel in the future could be Salish Bear or as a few others were saying Salish Kingfisher.
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Post by pacificcat99 on Mar 24, 2021 17:52:27 GMT -8
www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/home?lang=engAccording to the Government of Canada trademarks database, the next vessels will likely be named the Salish Kingfisher and Salish Sandpiper (... Bear is not currently trademarked by BC Ferries) It will be fun to look into the future to see if BC Ferries decides to trademark any more potential names...
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Post by cbachmeier on Mar 26, 2021 14:43:39 GMT -8
www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/home?lang=engAccording to the Government of Canada trademarks database, the next vessels will likely be named the Salish Kingfisher and Salish Sandpiper (... Bear is not currently trademarked by BC Ferries) It will be fun to look into the future to see if BC Ferries decides to trademark any more potential names... Maybe a future trademark could be Salish Otter, Salish sea, and Salish spirit. But from what BC Ferries was saying I believe a 5th and 6th Salish class vessel will probably be constructed sometime in the 2030s, plus the potential onset of the COVID-19 pandemic and its effects on BC Ferries.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 26, 2021 16:01:38 GMT -8
Maybe a future trademark could be Salish Otter, Salish sea, and Salish spirit. But from what BC Ferries was saying I believe a 5th and 6th Salish class vessel will probably be constructed sometime in the 2030s, plus the potential onset of the COVID-19 pandemic and its effects on BC Ferries. I don’t think they a need for more Salish Class within 20 years because Queen of Capilano and Queen of Cumberland have received mid life update 6 years and 5 years ago which extends the life span by 25 years. I don’t see Salish Class going to Earls Cove to Saltery Bay route anytime soon because Malaspina Sky was put on route 12 years ago. I am not even factoring in COVID 19. I wouldn’t even know where BC Ferries would put the additional two Salish Class vessels in the first place.
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Post by pacificcat99 on Mar 26, 2021 21:42:58 GMT -8
So the plan is for the Salish Heron to replace the Mayne Queen right?
One thing I could think of is that they would get another Salish vessel to eventually replace the Cumberland (so there is consistency in the Gulf Islands) or switch the Cumberland to another route or use it as a relief vessel when others are in refit.
The other thing to consider is what about the Horseshoe Bay-Langdale Route? I know the people want more frequent service and putting on two c-class vessels may be too much so maybe a salish class is something that BCF could consider? This would also allow them to then use the spare c-class to provide more service between Nanaimo and the Lower Mainland either to Horseshoe Bay or Tsawwassen which is a route that always seems to get crazy busy every long weekend and on weekday mornings with cargo.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 26, 2021 21:56:33 GMT -8
So the plan is for the Salish Heron to replace the Mayne Queen right? One thing I could think of is that they would get another Salish vessel to eventually replace the Cumberland (so there is consistency in the Gulf Islands) or switch the Cumberland to another route or use it as a relief vessel when others are in refit. The other thing to consider is what about the Horseshoe Bay-Langdale Route? I know the people want more frequent service and putting on two c-class vessels may be too much so maybe a salish class is something that BCF could consider? This would also allow them to then use the spare c-class to provide more service between Nanaimo and the Lower Mainland either to Horseshoe Bay or Tsawwassen which is a route that always seems to get crazy busy every long weekend and on weekday mornings with cargo. Interested to hear your thoughts. Yes Salish Heron will retire the Mayne Queen. I think Queen of Cumberland will remain on Southern Gulf Island because that is plan. But I also read the Malaspina Sky may switch routes with the Queen of Cumberland. No matter I see the vessel on route 5a will replace the Skeena Queen, Queen of Capilano and route 7 vessel. BC Ferries is planning on providing two Cowichan Class service on route 3 once the new five major vessels are in service. I think route 3 will never get small vessel due Sunshine Coast population growth.
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Post by articulated on Mar 27, 2021 7:26:19 GMT -8
So the plan is for the Salish Heron to replace the Mayne Queen right? One thing I could think of is that they would get another Salish vessel to eventually replace the Cumberland (so there is consistency in the Gulf Islands) or switch the Cumberland to another route or use it as a relief vessel when others are in refit. The other thing to consider is what about the Horseshoe Bay-Langdale Route? I know the people want more frequent service and putting on two c-class vessels may be too much so maybe a salish class is something that BCF could consider? This would also allow them to then use the spare c-class to provide more service between Nanaimo and the Lower Mainland either to Horseshoe Bay or Tsawwassen which is a route that always seems to get crazy busy every long weekend and on weekday mornings with cargo. Interested to hear your thoughts. Yes, Salish Heron will replace Mayne Queen. Technically, she will become the new vessel on route 5, and the Queen of Cumberland will shift to the 5A sailings, which replaces Mayne Queen. As mentioned earlier, Queen of Capilano/ Cumberland had their mid-life retrofits somewhat recently, so they've got another 10-20 years until they'll be due for replacement. By that time, it would make more sense to have a new design to take advantage of improvements in marine design rather than stick with an outdated design. This is the same logic behind why BC Ferries is not simply going to order more Coastal-class vessels to replace the existing C-class. For route 3, the capacity of a C-class vessel is about 300+ vehicles and 1400+ passengers. A Salish-class vessel has a capacity of 138 vehicles and 600 passengers. Running two Salish-class vessels would actually represent a net decrease in capacity over one C-class vessel. And as Blue Bus Fan mentioned, Sunshine Coast and route 3 are experiencing ridership growth (with more frequent overloads happening now), so they will need more service, not less.
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Post by articulated on Mar 27, 2021 7:31:45 GMT -8
So the plan is for the Salish Heron to replace the Mayne Queen right? One thing I could think of is that they would get another Salish vessel to eventually replace the Cumberland (so there is consistency in the Gulf Islands) or switch the Cumberland to another route or use it as a relief vessel when others are in refit. The other thing to consider is what about the Horseshoe Bay-Langdale Route? I know the people want more frequent service and putting on two c-class vessels may be too much so maybe a salish class is something that BCF could consider? This would also allow them to then use the spare c-class to provide more service between Nanaimo and the Lower Mainland either to Horseshoe Bay or Tsawwassen which is a route that always seems to get crazy busy every long weekend and on weekday mornings with cargo. Interested to hear your thoughts. Yes Salish Heron will retire the Mayne Queen. I think Queen of Cumberland will remain on Southern Gulf Island because that is plan. But I also read the Malaspina Sky may switch routes with the Queen of Cumberland. No matter I see the vessel on route 5a will replace the Skeena Queen, Queen of Capilano and route 7 vessel. BC Ferries is planning on providing two Cowichan Class service on route 3 once the new five major vessels are in service. I think route 3 will never get small vessel due Sunshine Coast population growth. No way will Queen of Cumberland move over to route 7. Remember, its sister vessel Queen of Capilano was originally assigned to route 7 when new, and was quickly moved off due to frequent mechanical issues caused by floating debris. BC Ferries seems more than happy to use Salish Raven as its primarily mid-size replacement vessel going forward. It has already operated on routes 4 and 5, and has the ability to operate on others as needed.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 27, 2021 10:30:46 GMT -8
Yes Salish Heron will retire the Mayne Queen. I think Queen of Cumberland will remain on Southern Gulf Island because that is plan. But I also read the Malaspina Sky may switch routes with the Queen of Cumberland. No matter I see the vessel on route 5a will replace the Skeena Queen, Queen of Capilano and route 7 vessel. BC Ferries is planning on providing two Cowichan Class service on route 3 once the new five major vessels are in service. I think route 3 will never get small vessel due Sunshine Coast population growth. No way will Queen of Cumberland move over to route 7. Remember, its sister vessel Queen of Capilano was originally assigned to route 7 when new, and was quickly moved off due to frequent mechanical issues caused by floating debris. BC Ferries seems more than happy to use Salish Raven as its primarily mid-size replacement vessel going forward. It has already operated on routes 4 and 5, and has the ability to operate on others as needed. But the original plan for Malaspina Sky was Bowen Island and move Queen of Capilano back to the Saltery Bay to Earls Cove route. I think massive problems on Queen of Capilano have been ironed out on both her and Queen of Cumberland so I think there will be little problem of either on Saltery Bay to Earls Cove route.
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Post by WettCoast on Mar 27, 2021 11:37:52 GMT -8
The Salish design looks to be easily 'stretchable'. In other words existing vessels could be cut in half and have a 25 metre plug welded into the middle thereby increasing auto capacity to ~175. Vessels yet to be built could come already 'stretched'.
As it is, the Salish class look would be improved by making them longer, just as the V-class vessel look was improved after they were stretched.
Speaking seriously now, I have no idea if these vessels could be 'easily' stretched. But its an interesting idea.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 2, 2021 23:03:49 GMT -8
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Post by pacificcat99 on Apr 3, 2021 9:14:24 GMT -8
Since they will now have 3 Salish vessels on this route does anyone think they will start running through ferries especially to alleviate some traffic on long weekends once things get back to normal?
Ex: leave Swartz bay, stop at Maine, arrive at Tsawwassen?
Or do Swartz- main-galiano-tsaw
I know they had one trip on Sundays that did Tsaw to Salt spring to Swartz but maybe this is a sign they will do more (especially because the Salish vessels have much more capacity than the Mayne Queen)
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 8, 2021 21:53:41 GMT -8
Since they will now have 3 Salish vessels on this route does anyone think they will start running through ferries especially to alleviate some traffic on long weekends once things get back to normal? Ex: leave Swartz bay, stop at Maine, arrive at Tsawwassen? Or do Swartz- main-galiano-tsaw I know they had one trip on Sundays that did Tsaw to Salt spring to Swartz but maybe this is a sign they will do more (especially because the Salish vessels have much more capacity than the Mayne Queen) I doubt that BC Ferries will operate trips Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay via Southern Gulf Island or other way around because I don’t think it simplifies the schedule on Southern Gulf Island which I think BC Ferries will end doing.
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Post by cbachmeier on May 4, 2021 17:00:32 GMT -8
Maybe a future trademark could be Salish Otter, Salish sea, and Salish spirit. But from what BC Ferries was saying I believe a 5th and 6th Salish class vessel will probably be constructed sometime in the 2030s, plus the potential onset of the COVID-19 pandemic and its effects on BC Ferries. I don’t think they a need for more Salish Class within 20 years because Queen of Capilano and Queen of Cumberland have received mid life update 6 years and 5 years ago which extends the life span by 25 years. I don’t see Salish Class going to Earls Cove to Saltery Bay route anytime soon because Malaspina Sky was put on route 12 years ago. I am not even factoring in COVID 19. I wouldn’t even know where BC Ferries would put the additional two Salish Class vessels in the first place. That is what I meant, it will probably 2040s because MV Queen of Cumberland and MV Queen of Capilano will either be replaced by Shuttle Class ferries or Salish Class Ferries, BC Ferries recently took down its shipbuilding plan from its website which may mean a new revised plan is in development.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 4, 2021 17:09:05 GMT -8
I don’t think they a need for more Salish Class within 20 years because Queen of Capilano and Queen of Cumberland have received mid life update 6 years and 5 years ago which extends the life span by 25 years. I don’t see Salish Class going to Earls Cove to Saltery Bay route anytime soon because Malaspina Sky was put on route 12 years ago. I am not even factoring in COVID 19. I wouldn’t even know where BC Ferries would put the additional two Salish Class vessels in the first place. That is what I meant, it will probably 2040s because MV Queen of Cumberland and MV Queen of Capilano will either be replaced by Shuttle Class ferries or Salish Class Ferries, BC Ferries recently took down its shipbuilding plan from its website which may mean a new revised plan is in development. I don’t think Queen of Capilano will get replacement by Salish Class vessel because Snug Cove is to small. I do agree with Queen of Cumberland being retired with Salish Class. I could see Queen of Capilano and Skeena Queen be replace with new design intermediate class vessel with a passenger lounge and snack bar.
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Post by cbachmeier on May 5, 2021 10:45:37 GMT -8
That is what I meant, it will probably 2040s because MV Queen of Cumberland and MV Queen of Capilano will either be replaced by Shuttle Class ferries or Salish Class Ferries, BC Ferries recently took down its shipbuilding plan from its website which may mean a new revised plan is in development. I don’t think Queen of Capilano will get replacement by Salish Class vessel because Snug Cove is to small. I do agree with Queen of Cumberland being retired with Salish Class. I could see Queen of Capilano and Skeena Queen be replace with new design intermediate class vessel with a passenger lounge and snack bar. That would make the most sense because the MV Queen of Cumberland will replace the MV Mayne Queen on route 5A, and the MV Salish Heron will replace the MV Queen of Cumberland on route 5, so it would make the most sense to have 2 salish class ferries running on route 5 together in the future. BC Ferries said that a shuttle class ferry would not be the most useful vessel class on route 5 due to the distance between each island. But the distance between Swartz Bay and Fulford Harbor is not as significant so a shuttle class will probably replace the MV Skeena Queen in the future. BC Ferries stated that the shuttle class ferry will be a hybrid design between the Salish and Island class vessels so.
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Post by randomferryguy on Aug 15, 2021 12:23:40 GMT -8
Salish Heron IMO 9905746
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 14, 2021 11:07:39 GMT -8
Looking at Gdansk on the Marine Traffic app, there’s a vessel displaying on AIS, the name, “Salish Stork”.
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Post by cbachmeier on Sept 14, 2021 16:45:26 GMT -8
Looking at Gdansk on the Marine Traffic app, there’s a vessel displaying on AIS, the name, “Salish Stork”. I just checked Marine Traffic as well, and it says Salish Stork. My guess is that the shipyard is getting everything ready for sea trials, before Salish Heron leaves Poland on its journey to BC. It is probably going to be in November or December when Salish Heron leaves Poland headed for BC.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 13, 2021 9:43:56 GMT -8
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