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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 14, 2013 15:12:59 GMT -8
I do not think the Liberals will win this election in BC because they are not trustworthy. For example, the Liberals where promising Metro Vancouver more buses by 2020 and they have not started on ordering the buses, yet and the HST. |
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Post by Mike C on May 14, 2013 20:13:41 GMT -8
CTV is predicting a Liberal win.
This could be an interesting evening...
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Post by Dane on May 14, 2013 20:16:39 GMT -8
Goodbye minor routes.
Good luck with whatever tax system is introduced next week lol!
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 14, 2013 20:31:54 GMT -8
CTV is predicting a Liberal win. This could be an interesting evening... Global has not yet. The Green, OTH Party, CON Party are loosing. |
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Post by WettCoast on May 14, 2013 20:32:06 GMT -8
Negative dirty campaigns work. They worked for Harper and they are working for Clark. They work very well indeed!
The NDP needed to fight back in the same manner. Failing to do so was a huge mistake. We are heading for 16 years of BC Liberal rule; maybe 20 years.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 14, 2013 20:33:36 GMT -8
Then people which the minor route service will riot against Liberal party for taking away those routes. |
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Post by Neil on May 14, 2013 20:33:43 GMT -8
Stunned. Absolutely stunned. No words.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 14, 2013 20:35:17 GMT -8
CTV is predicting a Liberal win. This could be an interesting evening... Global has not yet. The Green, OTH Party, CON Party are loosing. Never mind. Global has predicting the Liberals will win and the numbers will not change. |
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Post by Mike C on May 14, 2013 20:47:58 GMT -8
It's crazy that this is not even close. It's also a stern reminder that pre-election polls are almost meaningless.
The riding to watch will be Vancouver-Point Grey.
Unbelievable.
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Post by Ferryman on May 14, 2013 21:01:31 GMT -8
Extremely disappointed with British Columbia tonight. The East Coast is looking very apppealing right now.
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Post by nelson6364 on May 14, 2013 21:18:59 GMT -8
Almost every ferry dependent community went NDP. Don't expect fare cuts anytime soon.
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Post by Dane on May 14, 2013 21:30:19 GMT -8
I will keep this short, I have to work in four and a half hours, but I am genuinely concerned for the future of BC Ferries. While little was said about Ferries by the Liberal campaign the province just paid for a hollow self reassuring assessment of the illogical governance system of the organization. Serious reinvestment, as we all know, is required in the fleet and some other infrastructure. Smaller communities are getting choked off and won't have an MLA on the government side.
Almost everyone agrees the current system is not sustainable, but it seems like the Liberals are more likely to address this by cuts than institutional change. That said, we haven't actually seen Clark actually govern, so here is to hoping the best in what for me is a certainly unfortunate situation.
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Post by Ferryman on May 14, 2013 21:39:38 GMT -8
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Post by compdude787 on May 14, 2013 21:48:03 GMT -8
With the Liberals winning your election again, now you guys all know how I felt when Obama (I call him O-bummer) won re-election and made me very, very, sad.  BTW prior to three years ago, I kind of liked him, but now I don't. My political views have shifted from the left to the right since then. Even though your liberal party is actually centrist/center-right, I still don't like them because of their dishonesty especially with the HST as I've heard you guys talk about. I also don't believe that the ferry system should be operated like a private company because it has a monopoly and the private sector needs competition in order for prices to remain low and for companies to be innovative. |
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Post by DENelson83 on May 14, 2013 22:58:08 GMT -8
Well, I guess BC is going to say bye-bye to Vancouver Island, which voted mostly NDP. Ferry fares are going to continue to go up, and the ticking time bomb will finally go off. Prepare to see Canada get its eleventh province.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 15, 2013 6:22:20 GMT -8
Well, I guess BC is going to say bye-bye to Vancouver Island, which voted mostly NDP. Ferry fares are going to continue to go up, and the ticking time bomb will finally go off. Prepare to see Canada get its eleventh province. The schedule says that it's my turn to respond to this recurring comment, this week. My response: I don't think so (about secession) |
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Post by mrdot on May 15, 2013 11:25:13 GMT -8
Well, I guess BC is going to say bye-bye to Vancouver Island, which voted mostly NDP. Ferry fares are going to continue to go up, and the ticking time bomb will finally go off. Prepare to see Canada get its eleventh province. The schedule says that it's my turn to respond to this recurring comment, this week. My response: I don't think so (about secession) |
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Post by Neil on May 15, 2013 11:34:50 GMT -8
Well, I've recovered my speech, if not my equilibrium. What a dreadful evening. Four and a half more years of this.
DE Nelson: You do coastal communities a disservice by suggesting the ridiculous notion that people would react to ferry issues by agitating for a separate province. People are not that silly, so I hope you were just joking.
People on the progressive side of the political spectrum may have to examine whether the NDP brand has run its course. Adrian Dix can be as proud as he wants about the ethical campaign that he ran, and old line party stalwarts can sleep well knowing they fought the good fight, but endless moral victories are not advancing the causes that many people believe in. Just as center-left people in Vancouver had to finally recognize that COPE was unelectable in most cases, and put together Vision Vancouver, a new coalition may have to be invented on the provincial scene. The Greens are not going away, so there's no sense in whining about the split vote.
Or maybe the public just thought that the NDP ran a limp campaign. On one side you had the Liberals conjuring up boogeymen from the '90s and promising trillions of dollars and thousands of jobs from resource development, while conducting a fear campaign about the NDP destroying business. On the other side, the main message was skills training and a rather ethereal promise of 'change for the better, one practical step at a time'. In terms of pushing peoples' buttons- which is unfortunately a big consideration in elections- the former approach won, hands down.
All the scandals, corruption, and lies didn't matter in the end. The appeal to voters' self interest in the form of jobs and riches, along with the endless re-construction of political history to suit the Liberal vision, worked.
To put Clark's 'great victory' in perspective, it should be noted that she got 44% of the vote from the 52% of people who voted. Given that not all people of voting age even bother to register, it can probably be said that she convinced about 22% of adult British Columbians to give her their support, while the NDP got about 19%. Not something that either party should crow about.
With most ferry dependent ridings going NDP, I shudder to think of the mandate that the Liberals think they have now with regard to ferries. They won, and they didn't need any votes from Hornby Island to do so.
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Post by mrdot on May 15, 2013 11:35:03 GMT -8
:)while the election results may have been a shock to many, there was a large block of undecided voters who obviously bought the economic fear and nasty hate adds that the buisness rite wing bankrolled, and nice guys, who don't fight back dirty, come in last! but life goes on, and BC politics will remain partizen, as will our so called 'private' ferry system!  mrdot. |
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Post by DENelson83 on May 15, 2013 12:21:02 GMT -8
DE Nelson: You do coastal communities a disservice by suggesting the ridiculous notion that people would react to ferry issues by agitating for a separate province. People are not that silly, so I hope you were just joking. What do you think is the bigger disservice? That, or stranding people on those islands because they don't have the money to pay the ridiculously high ferry fares? |
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Post by Mike C on May 15, 2013 13:14:06 GMT -8
People on the progressive side of the political spectrum may have to examine whether the NDP brand has run its course. Adrian Dix can be as proud as he wants about the ethical campaign that he ran, and old line party stalwarts can sleep well knowing they fought the good fight, but endless moral victories are not advancing the causes that many people believe in. Just as center-left people in Vancouver had to finally recognize that COPE was unelectable in most cases, and put together Vision Vancouver, a new coalition may have to be invented on the provincial scene. The Greens are not going away, so there's no sense in whining about the split vote. I don't necessarily think that the NDP has a bad image, although this types of political reorganizations tend to be beneficial for parties (observe Conservative Party of Canada). The NDP is the face of many successes throughout Canada, like universal healthcare. The federal NDP was a huge success in the last election, showing that when a party is united under a strong leader, great things can happen. I think the NDP's problem in this election was, quite specifically, it's leader. Adrian Dix did not issue the rallying call that was necessary for people to rise up against the Liberal nightmare, and (simply based on those I have spoken to, haha) they were not united on his leadership, in much the same way that the Liberals were not united when Christy Clark was chosen as leader for their party. I hope the NDP takes a hard look in the mirror, cans Adrian Dix, and finds themselves someone more relatable. There are plenty of quality MLAs to choose from. Before the election, our NDP MLA was a bus driver at TransLink. He would drive the bus routes in our riding to engage with his constituents, and to serve the community he held dear. He retired, and post-election our Liberal MLA is a former councilor. Frustrating. Late Edits: Re. Adrian Dix - I don't think his connections to Glen Clark did him any favours either. With the late 90's being dug up from the grave, it's certainly not hard to find dirt on Glen Clark. Re. BC Conservatives: There's a party in dire need of a facelift. Their horrendous leader and candidates dropping like flies offered them horrible PR and a totally disastrous public image. DE Nelson: You do coastal communities a disservice by suggesting the ridiculous notion that people would react to ferry issues by agitating for a separate province. People are not that silly, so I hope you were just joking. What do you think is the bigger disservice? That, or stranding people on those islands because they don't have the money to pay the ridiculously high ferry fares? Because it makes you, and everyone you supposedly speak for, look bad, and silly. Speak for yourself, DENelson. |
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Post by mrdot on May 15, 2013 13:33:15 GMT -8
:)don't you just love my brother's header view of the Norex 'pay per view' lounge as a vision of our new privitized ferry system, as for the politics of our new BC ferries, stay tuned, the guy that unseated Christy, mr. Ebey, he looks a little more capable to deal with the 'slick modern reality politics', and perhaps will be faster on the rebound from dirty attacks, time will tell, as for sure the back room boys are allready looking for any past mistakes or any hateful dirt they can find, maybe after they 'meet in prayer'!  mrdot. |
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Post by Scott on May 15, 2013 15:49:39 GMT -8
Almost every ferry dependent community went NDP. Don't expect fare cuts anytime soon. It's been that way for a long time (except for that year the NDP got wiped off the map). The last 2 elections (at least) have had very similar results for coastal communities, so it's nothing really new. |
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Post by Nick on May 15, 2013 16:08:53 GMT -8
I have to admit I'm pretty shocked at the results of this election. I'm pretty far removed from the current political scene in BC, but everything seemed to be pointing to an NDP victory. I don't remember an election in recent history where the result wasn't at least partially predicted.
I'm hearing voter turnout was less than 50%. I find this absolutely disgraceful. It's unbelievable how many people are so apathetic. I ordered a remote voting package at the end of April so that I would be able to vote. There are 8 other people in my class that call themselves residents of BC, and when I asked around and reminded people to call Elections BC to order their packages, only 2 others actually did. Most gave the excuse that they are too ignorant of the issues and don't feel they can make an educated decision. Very frustrating.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 15, 2013 19:04:45 GMT -8
I am shock that the Liberals won too; I thought the NDP would win. When I don't really care about politics yet.
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