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Post by Kahloke on May 3, 2014 9:56:22 GMT -8
With the state accepting MV Tokitae, I guess it's time to create its own thread. So, going forward, any posts relating directly to MV Tokitae should go here. Any posts regarding the 2nd and 3rd Olympic Class vessels should stay in the OC/N144 thread.
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Post by Scott on May 3, 2014 14:08:19 GMT -8
Saw this "strange" ship in Seattle last week as we were heading to Bremerton. Finally figured out it must be the Tokitae on sea trials.
- John H
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Post by Barnacle on May 6, 2014 8:05:19 GMT -8
I just hope the reports are accurate and that the boat doesn't push as much water as I'd anticipated. Given the problems we've had with wake over the years, I'd be very happy to be wrong.
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Post by FNS on May 6, 2014 11:38:17 GMT -8
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on May 11, 2014 10:24:18 GMT -8
Does anyone know what the interior looks like yet on the M/V Tokitae
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Post by SolDuc on May 11, 2014 20:07:22 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 12, 2014 16:44:35 GMT -8
Has she started Sea trails for Washington State ferries? Has WSF taken ownership of her yet?
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Post by SolDuc on May 12, 2014 17:12:51 GMT -8
Has she started Sea trails for Washington State ferries? Has WSF taken ownership of her yet? Marine Traffic has the answers to all your questions. Just check the location of the Tokitae.
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Post by FNS on May 12, 2014 18:14:18 GMT -8
Has she started Sea trails for Washington State ferries? Has WSF taken ownership of her yet? Besides Marine Traffic, check this site: www.flickr.com/photos/wsdot/collections/72157604556431407/Also, keep watch of any news about this new ferry. The galley equipment may be in the early stages of cooking trials, too. So, expect some food containing some awesomely good cheese when you travel aboard this new ferry!
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 14, 2014 8:17:14 GMT -8
The Tokitae was out on sea trials last night. As of this morning is still at Vigor.
From the Olympic Class Design and Construction thread:
This was cancelled as of yesterday. I'm beginning to wonder if the Tokitae will not be ready to go into service at the beginning of the Summer schedule.
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Post by lifc on May 14, 2014 8:44:01 GMT -8
Perhaps the WSF ought not to be in such a big hurry to surplus the E State also.
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Post by SolDuc on May 14, 2014 14:09:24 GMT -8
The Tokitae was out on sea trials last night. Indeed! I biked all the way from Bellevue to Jack Block, and I must say that I was pretty exhausted when I arrived at the observation tower. I barely had time to sit down before I looked at Vigor and was like: "what's this thing coming out of there? Oh, it's the Tokitae! Yeah!". I shot the following pictures from Jack Block Park: The Tokitae coming out of Vigor with a tug, all the while under the Seattle skyline: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr The Tokitae passing Colman Dock: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr In front of some Downtown Seattle buildings, with the Tacoma at Colman dock: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Passing Belltown and the Spirit of Kingston: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Under the Space Needle: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Passing Lower Queen Anne: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr At this point I packed the camera then took off on what must've been the fastest ever trip from Jack Block park to Duwamish Head. The Tokitae exiting Elliott Bay: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr Under Mount Constance: MV Tokitae undergoing Sea Trials in Elliott Bay - Washington State Ferries by SolDuc Photography, on Flickr That's it for today, enjoy!
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 14, 2014 14:44:37 GMT -8
Nice photos, SolDuc. She turned out fine but the design is funky, in a good way, and looks cools.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on May 14, 2014 14:50:27 GMT -8
The Tokitae was out on sea trials last night. As of this morning is still at Vigor. From the Olympic Class Design and Construction thread: This was cancelled as of yesterday. I'm beginning to wonder if the Tokitae will not be ready to go into service at the beginning of the Summer schedule. Nope, she will be ready by the beginning summer schedule. Then, why is the Cathlamet not going into dry dock because the Kitsap is taking her spot in dry dock. Link to maintenance schedule.
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Post by Barnacle on May 14, 2014 15:34:15 GMT -8
The Tokitae was out on sea trials last night. As of this morning is still at Vigor. From the Olympic Class Design and Construction thread: This was cancelled as of yesterday. I'm beginning to wonder if the Tokitae will not be ready to go into service at the beginning of the Summer schedule. Nope, she will be ready by the beginning summer schedule. Then, why is the Cathlamet not going into dry dock because the Kitsap is taking her spot in dry dock. Link to maintenance schedule. No, Tokitae's planned to be ready by summer schedule.
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 14, 2014 19:54:34 GMT -8
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Post by chokai on May 14, 2014 22:45:58 GMT -8
I noticed on that schedule that the Yakima is now scheduled to be at EH all summer. Was that previously on the schedule too? I can't recall. If not that might be the explanation for the cancellation of the Cathlamet going in since had she gone too there literally would not have been enough boats to go around, as it is looking at the schedule there's no reserve boat this summer. Certainly not desirable to be down a Super all summer, esp on Bremerton.
I'm still surprised they'll immediately go "live" with Tokitae without a reserve boat. You'd think someone would put a few weeks of "lag" between her coming online and Kitsap or Cathlamet going in.
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Post by EGfleet on May 15, 2014 8:20:55 GMT -8
I noticed on that schedule that the Yakima is now scheduled to be at EH all summer. Was that previously on the schedule too? I can't recall. If not that might be the explanation for the cancellation of the Cathlamet going in since had she gone too there literally would not have been enough boats to go around, as it is looking at the schedule there's no reserve boat this summer. Certainly not desirable to be down a Super all summer, esp on Bremerton. I'm still surprised they'll immediately go "live" with Tokitae without a reserve boat. You'd think someone would put a few weeks of "lag" between her coming online and Kitsap or Cathlamet going in. No, the Yakima was to have been back in the islands already. This extended period of maintenance was not planned.
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 16, 2014 14:27:17 GMT -8
From this week's WSF Weekly Update:
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Post by trillium on May 17, 2014 8:03:10 GMT -8
Nope, she will be ready by the beginning summer schedule. Then, why is the Cathlamet not going into dry dock because the Kitsap is taking her spot in dry dock. Link to maintenance schedule. I can't help but look at that schedule and conclude: This summer, we've effectively traded the Cathlamet and Kaleetan. Is that what was really what the delivery of the Tokitae was supposed to accomplish? (Sure, the boat in the Islands is the Kaleetan instead of the Yakima and the boat on Mukilteo-Clinton is the Tokitae, not the Kaleetan, but in terms of capacity what's basically happened is putting a 124-car vessel in Bremerton instead of a 144-car vessel and the 144-car vessel is at Mukilteo... and before it is noted that the Cathlamet could be interpreted as replacing the Kitsap note that before the Cathlamet moves down it's the 90-car Sealth with the Walla Walla on Bremerton run [one ferry twice as big as the other intentionally, as opposed to an emergency?]... Bremerton patrons seem a bit justified in feeling slighted.) Lance Gleich
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Post by lifc on May 17, 2014 10:29:07 GMT -8
What I do not get is why any boats are down during high season? Then we have the surplussing the E State on June 30. Looks to me like this could become a problem of their own making if anything fails.
Since 2007, we have lost four Steel Electrics, the Rhododendron, and soon the E State, that's six boats. We have replaced them with three KdT's, and soon a 144. Oh well, that is till minus 2 vessels.
Oh well, at least this year, we will still have the HIYU ready to step up to the occasion.
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Post by SolDuc on May 17, 2014 10:40:32 GMT -8
Since 2007, we have lost four Steel Electrics, the Rhododendron, and soon the E State, that's six boats. We have replaced them with three KdT's, and soon a 144. Oh well, that is till minus 2 vessels. I've said it before and I'll say it again, pre-Steel Electrics fiasco we had the Nisqually and the Evergreen State mothballed. The three remaining Steel Es and the Rhody were replaced by the KdTs and the E-State, so while technically we're down two boats we really aren't. As for the Evergreen State being surplused, I'm not exactly sure that it would affect things a lot if she wasn't. The Yakima is the problem, which dooms Bremerton for the whole summer.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on May 17, 2014 16:52:56 GMT -8
Bremerton patrons seem a bit justified in feeling slighted. Lance Gleich I wholeheartedly agree. I still think placing Tokitae on the Mukilteo-Clinton route is foolish. There are a lot of commuter folk in Bremerton who are getting sick and tired of being slighted by WSF constantly putting Issaquah-class boats on the run. Especially during the summer! That in itself is blatantly asinine. With all the renovations done to the waterfront in Bremerton in the last decade, the least WSF could've done was sent the Tokitae there, instead of up to a route where its passenger cabin + top deck amenities may never even see the full potential of its design. I also see no reason to send the Kaleetan up to the San Juans, either. I keep hoping that some day, someone at WSF will wake up and realize Bremerton's actually worth a damn, but I believe that may be a pipe dream.
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Post by Steve Rosenow on May 17, 2014 16:59:29 GMT -8
Since 2007, we have lost four Steel Electrics, the Rhododendron, and soon the E State, that's six boats. We have replaced them with three KdT's, and soon a 144. Oh well, that is till minus 2 vessels. I've said it before and I'll say it again, pre-Steel Electrics fiasco we had the Nisqually and the Evergreen State mothballed. The three remaining Steel Es and the Rhody were replaced by the KdTs and the E-State, so while technically we're down two boats we really aren't. As for the Evergreen State being surplused, I'm not exactly sure that it would affect things a lot if she wasn't. The Yakima is the problem, which dooms Bremerton for the whole summer. If I correctly recall, the Nisqually was pulled out of mothball status and brought back online about six months before the fiasco involving the Quinault and Illahee that caused the whole mess.
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Post by lifc on May 18, 2014 0:42:50 GMT -8
I've said it before and I'll say it again, pre-Steel Electrics fiasco we had the Nisqually and the Evergreen State mothballed. The three remaining Steel Es and the Rhody were replaced by the KdTs and the E-State, so while technically we're down two boats we really aren't. As for the Evergreen State being surplused, I'm not exactly sure that it would affect things a lot if she wasn't. The Yakima is the problem, which dooms Bremerton for the whole summer. If I correctly recall, the Nisqually was pulled out of mothball status and brought back online about six months before the fiasco involving the Quinault and Illahee that caused the whole mess. That was exactly mu feeling, thank you Mr. Steve. It seems to me that the WSF is awful close to the bone with very little reserves in times of Ferry Failures. It is not unheard of to have more than one boat down at a time. I would rather err to the side of having a backup, just in case. While I like the 144 size, I am of the opinion that the E State size is a great backup size, I hope they find a way to keep her until the fall. The Hiyu is only good for Inter-Island in off season. while I think she's about the coolest little boat around, for the WSF, she's pretty worthless. The KdT's were a huge mistake, but, they are probably going to be here guzzling fuel for a while. iId like to see a shallow draft 80-90 car Ferry built next,
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