hawkdoc
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Post by hawkdoc on Jan 26, 2015 20:01:00 GMT -8
She looks a lot like an overbuilt Jumbo Mark II (in terms of height). She does appear overbuilt. I hear she weighs as much as a Jumbo. Can that be true? I also hear she burns a lot of fuel. And I noticed here they show the same outline as an Issaquah (maybe WSF in denial): www.wsdot.com/ferries/vesselwatch/Vessels.aspx
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Jan 27, 2015 20:19:45 GMT -8
She looks a lot like an overbuilt Jumbo Mark II (in terms of height). She does appear overbuilt. I hear she weighs as much as a Jumbo. Can that be true? I also hear she burns a lot of fuel. And I noticed here they show the same outline as an Issaquah (maybe WSF in denial): www.wsdot.com/ferries/vesselwatch/Vessels.aspxYeah she is probably taller than a Jumbo Mark II also!
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Post by chokai on Jan 28, 2015 12:01:57 GMT -8
She looks a lot like an overbuilt Jumbo Mark II (in terms of height). She does appear overbuilt. I hear she weighs as much as a Jumbo. Can that be true? I also hear she burns a lot of fuel. And I noticed here they show the same outline as an Issaquah (maybe WSF in denial): www.wsdot.com/ferries/vesselwatch/Vessels.aspxShe's big but not that big, Jumbos displace ~4860 tons, Tokitae displaces ~4384. For comparison the Supers displace on the books 3630 for the vanilla ones and 3900 (Elwha) thought I'd bet there's some variation between all of them I'm sure a few people around here know the nitty gritty details on each of them.
If you've heard she's burning a lot of fuel where'd you hear it from? These boats were designed to be efficient like the Issaquah's are so if true that would be a significant issue.
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Jan 28, 2015 17:30:06 GMT -8
She does appear overbuilt. I hear she weighs as much as a Jumbo. Can that be true? I also hear she burns a lot of fuel. And I noticed here they show the same outline as an Issaquah (maybe WSF in denial): www.wsdot.com/ferries/vesselwatch/Vessels.aspxShe's big but not that big, Jumbos displace ~4860 tons, Tokitae displaces ~4384. For comparison the Supers displace on the books 3630 for the vanilla ones and 3900 (Elwha) thought I'd bet there's some variation between all of them I'm sure a few people around here know the nitty gritty details on each of them.
If you've heard she's burning a lot of fuel where'd you hear it from? These boats were designed to be efficient like the Issaquah's are so if true that would be a significant issue.
Yeah, WSF has under the FAQ's how much fuel do the ferries burn, the Issaquah's can go from Seattle to Japan at cruising speed without refueling.
Many of our customers want to know how often we have to fuel our vessels. The fleet is so diverse that the answers vary considerably. For example, a smaller vessel such as the Rhododendron would refuel about once a week, taking on approximately 3,600 gallons. The Rhody's tank capacity is approximately 11,250 gallons, burning about 30 gallons an hour. On the other end of the ferry spectrum, we have the Jumbo Class ferries, the Spokane and Walla Walla. They refuel about every two weeks and take on approximately 50,000 gallons, using about 240 gallons an hour. Their tank capacity is about 135,000 gallons. It is said that the Issaquah Class ferries hold enough fuel to cruise from Seattle to Japan without refueling.
From WSF FAQ
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Post by zargoman on Jan 29, 2015 14:14:11 GMT -8
Tokitae chilling at Eagle Harbor
Tokitae along with the Chetzemoka, Kitsap, Hiyu, Hyak and Tacoma at Eagle Harbor
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Post by suburbanite on Feb 18, 2015 16:25:08 GMT -8
Any word on how the Toker is doing at Edmonds-Kingston?
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Feb 18, 2015 19:44:51 GMT -8
Any word on how the Toker is doing at Edmonds-Kingston? Lot's of wait times! Two hour wait yesterday. But, what else is new with the Kingston run!
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Post by SS San Mateo on Feb 18, 2015 19:50:47 GMT -8
Any word on how the Toker is doing at Edmonds-Kingston? Lot's of wait times! Two hour wait yesterday. But, what else is new with the Kingston run! And the sun deck is closed off.
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Post by suburbanite on Feb 19, 2015 10:39:50 GMT -8
Are her speed, loading dwell time and passenger capacity OK for Edomonds-Kingston?
I imagine her 60 car capacity deficit compared to a Jumbo MK II is the source of the two hour wait.
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Post by whitieiii on Feb 19, 2015 17:13:58 GMT -8
Ya... With the Spokane out for all of last week (which is rare) they lost 44 cars/2runs... On the other hand if the Tokitae held at least 44 more cars I wold like to have it at kingston along side the un-changed Spokane
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Post by whitieiii on Feb 19, 2015 17:15:44 GMT -8
Lot's of wait times! Two hour wait yesterday. But, what else is new with the Kingston run! And the sun deck is closed off. I guess nobody will use the sundeck for the first few years at this rate
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Post by SS San Mateo on Feb 19, 2015 20:00:07 GMT -8
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Post by zargoman on Feb 20, 2015 13:13:43 GMT -8
The Tokitae requires two more crewmembers to open the sun deck (requires more crew than Jumbo Class?!). They were doing some Officer training on Tuesday and had it opened up, but I think that was a one-time thing. I wish that the Coast Guard never agreed to the "conditional" crewing. Shouldn't matter how many passengers or what decks are accessible.
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Post by EGfleet on Feb 21, 2015 9:45:53 GMT -8
Took my first ride on the Tokitae on Thursday and overall, I liked the boat quite a bit. The overly tall stacks still bug me--I've yet been able to talk about them without the phrase "big, goofy-looking exhaust stacks" being utilized to describe them. I really liked the artwork they used in the cabin, but one thing that really struck me was how low the ceiling in the cabin was. It took me a moment to realize that was what was giving me the slightly claustrophobic feeling. I'd say they're a good four or five inches shorter than on the Issquahs. I'm 6'3" and felt like ducking most of the time I was there--I haven't experienced that feeling on a ferry since I used to do tours on the Kalakala, which also had rather low ceilings.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Feb 21, 2015 18:12:15 GMT -8
Just got home from a trip on Ed/King. Some Images I got of the Tokitae: The Wheelhouse and Nameplate The towering Stacks (The Sun Deck was actually Open today, allowing me to get this shot.) Tokitae at Kingston The Mukelteo Ferry at Kingston Tokitae heads for Kingston (Taken from the Passing M/V Walla Walla) Wave Piercer (This is a short Through-the Porthole Video I recorded of the Tokitae plowing through choppy Waters)
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Feb 28, 2015 20:12:08 GMT -8
A new Walk through I got of the Tokitae, Including SunDeck.
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Post by whitieiii on Mar 6, 2015 21:00:07 GMT -8
I like this ferry, I don't know much about the run this boat is normally on, but I would think it's an over kill for that run.... I like this boat much better than the jumbo II class..... we would be high class if we built one more 2500 pax ferry like this..... then it would be two 2500 pax on seattle and two in kingston with the two 2000 pax on Bremerton
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 7, 2015 14:50:08 GMT -8
I like this ferry, I don't know much about the run this boat is normally on, but I would think it's an over kill for that run.... I like this boat much better than the jumbo II class..... we would be high class if we built one more 2500 pax ferry like this..... then it would be two 2500 pax on seattle and two in kingston with the two 2000 pax on Bremerton Tokitae only carries 1500 passengers - see link: www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/vesselwatch/VesselDetail.aspx?vessel_id=68The passenger cabin is definitely overkill for the short Mukilteo crossing, but as has been discussed before, WSF is trying to build a class of vessels that will be interchangeable on other routes - i.e. not building route-specific vessels. The 1500 passenger capacity will be fully used on the Bremerton crossing (MV Chimacum), and somewhat more used on the San Juan routes (MV Samish), with the longer crossing times. Anyway, it's not so much the passenger capacity that makes Tokitae useful at Mukilteo, so much as it is the increased auto capacity.
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Post by whitieiii on Mar 7, 2015 15:15:48 GMT -8
Oh... My bad.... I really like it tho
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Post by zargoman on Mar 15, 2015 16:16:37 GMT -8
Some more of the Tokitae from Saturday in Kingston. Tokitae by zargoman, on Flickr Tokitae by zargoman, on Flickr Tokitae by zargoman, on Flickr It was rather breezy on Saturday, and she was bouncing around quite a bit. Seems to be much more stable than the Supers. It will be interesting to see how well these boats handle storms, especially in the San Juans.
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Post by whitieiii on Mar 16, 2015 10:25:50 GMT -8
Ya... it was real rough yesterday, took the 8:30 pm boat to Kingston
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Post by bestill301 on Apr 15, 2015 16:59:33 GMT -8
Currently dead in the water off Mukilteo. Apparent propulsion problem. A tug boat has been dispatched.
Monitoring Marine Channels 5a, 13, and 68.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Apr 15, 2015 17:27:27 GMT -8
Full Story (KIRO)Tokitae is indeed adrift, though does not appear to have lost all power.
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Post by Mike C on Apr 15, 2015 17:43:01 GMT -8
Currently dead in the water off Mukilteo. Apparent propulsion problem. A tug boat has been dispatched. Monitoring Marine Channels 5a, 13, and 68. She probably just took the "Toke" in her name a little too literally. Give her some time, and some pizza, and she'll be back online... eventually.
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Post by PeninsulaExplorer on Apr 15, 2015 18:14:03 GMT -8
Muk/Clin - Tokitae Is Out Of Service Due to operational constraints the Tokitae is out of service. The Mukilteo/Clinton route is currently on a one boat service. this will CANCEL the following sailings from Mukilteo the: 5:30pm, 6:30pm, 7:35pm, 8:25pm. From Clinton the following will be CANCELLED: 6:00pm, 7:00pm, and 8:00pm. Updates will occur as conditions change.
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