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Post by roeco on May 31, 2015 9:28:58 GMT -8
I could see the Salt Spring terminals as 2 Vesuvius and an Up graded Fulford with Long Harbour being Closed..! But what about other efficiencies that could be found in terminals? Is it not possible to consolidate two terminals that geographically are in the same area into one and close the other?? Chemainus/Crofton comes to mind, Also closing the Duke Point terminal and consolidate at Departure Bay Or Close the Nanaimo Harbour terminal and operate from Departure Bay. Also could u not Close Westview Terminal and operate everything out of Saltery Bay? And Port Hardy/Port Mc Neil...could be consolidated at Port Hardy.Im sure their are many other things that could work.....The Gabriola Island service could easily operate from Departure Bay..sure some people may not like it but hey u cant please everyone. Also I know the issue about Departure Bay its well known the people that live around their have issues...well that's the way the cookie crumbles..don't like ferries don't live close to a ferry terminal. They had issues with Mid Island from their But Really Duke Point should never even have been built and everything run from Departure Bay! Do major upgrades Double Deck the Holding area like Horseshoe Bay...Problem solved!! You could even triple deck if u really had to. JUst a little something Ive thought about over the years. BCF could save $$ by selling the Duke Point lands..and other terminal lands they no longer use ! Theirs a lot of infrastructure that could be used in other terminals again saving $$ Also crew efficiencies too..! Also many other ideas could lead to a more efficient BCF system...! Its the future u gotta think outside the box...!
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 31, 2015 12:36:50 GMT -8
I was going to respond to this. But then I read our recent posts, and I realized that if I respond to this item, I'd also have to respond to the following:
- Why Queen of Chilliwack isn't suitable for Southern Gulf Islands, Comox-Westview, Jervis Inlet
- Why a Swartz Bay to Horseshoe Bay route isn't a good idea
- Why there wouldn't be "no shortage of takers" to take over inter-city bus routes on Vancouver Island, if Greyhound quit those routes.
- Why Queen of Chilliwack isn't a good idea for a Victoria-Seattle summer car ferry
- Why Bowen Queen is better used on Route 9A in summer, instead of Bowen Queen as a Discovery Coast Connector
- Why Fulford Harbour terminal can't practically be expanded
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On another note, Quinsam-Teen's suggestion of a route from Galiano Island to Gabriola Island is still on the table for discussion. Still waiting for someone to invest in land acquisition, highways, blasting-&-filling, terminals and ships.
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Post by northwesterner on May 31, 2015 13:05:11 GMT -8
On another note, Quinsam-Teen's suggestion of a route from Galiano Island to Gabriola Island is still on the table for discussion. Still waiting for someone to invest in land acquisition, highways, blasting-&-filling, terminals and ships. How long ago did he make that suggestion? |
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Post by WettCoast on May 31, 2015 15:50:45 GMT -8
I know that I could save a lot of money on my heating bills if I replaced all the windows in my house. The cost to replace all those windows with modern efficient heat-loss preventing versions would be substantial, perhaps $10,000. Perhaps I might save $600 a year on my heating bills. So, the question is one of math; how many years will it take for me to recoup the cost of all those new windows with savings on my heating bills?
This analogy works well, I think, when assessing ideas that might, in the long run, help BC Ferries to save money...
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 31, 2015 16:00:38 GMT -8
On another note, Quinsam-Teen's suggestion of a route from Galiano Island to Gabriola Island is still on the table for discussion. Still waiting for someone to invest in land acquisition, highways, blasting-&-filling, terminals and ships. How long ago did he make that suggestion? That was during the golden-age of Q-Teen, which was during the forum's Cascadian era. So 8 or 9 years ago maybe. Legendary items become timeless. Many similar suggestions were made, but that particular one always stood out to me as being extra Quinsimian in absurdity. |
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Post by princessofvanfan on May 31, 2015 16:22:32 GMT -8
I still think Departure Bay should be closed and converted into a new seaplane base, and all BCF ops (including Gabriola service) should operate out of Duke Point, with frequent, 15 minute transit service to downtown Nanaimo.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 17:11:56 GMT -8
I'm very much for the status-quo with regard to terminals.
In my opinion, Departure Bay is an essential piece of infrastructure. As people want to get from A to B quicker, having a terminal close to downtown is helpful. Transit would also likely have a very high cost of providing service. DPB is nice as they can get other riders in the neighbourhood on the bus, much like the 239 works on the North Shore.
However, building the second Berth at Duke Point would be worthwhile, especially as a tie up and backup berth.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 18:02:49 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on May 31, 2015 18:53:31 GMT -8
I could see the Salt Spring terminals as 2 Vesuvius and an Up graded Fulford with Long Harbour being Closed..! But what about other efficiencies that could be found in terminals? Is it not possible to consolidate two terminals that geographically are in the same area into one and close the other?? Chemainus/Crofton comes to mind, Also closing the Duke Point terminal and consolidate at Departure Bay Or Close the Nanaimo Harbour terminal and operate from Departure Bay. Also could u not Close Westview Terminal and operate everything out of Saltery Bay? And Port Hardy/Port Mc Neil...could be consolidated at Port Hardy.Im sure their are many other things that could work.....The Gabriola Island service could easily operate from Departure Bay..sure some people may not like it but hey u cant please everyone. Also I know the issue about Departure Bay its well known the people that live around their have issues...well that's the way the cookie crumbles..don't like ferries don't live close to a ferry terminal. They had issues with Mid Island from their But Really Duke Point should never even have been built and everything run from Departure Bay! Do major upgrades Double Deck the Holding area like Horseshoe Bay...Problem solved!! You could even triple deck if u really had to. JUst a little something Ive thought about over the years. BCF could save $$ by selling the Duke Point lands..and other terminal lands they no longer use ! Theirs a lot of infrastructure that could be used in other terminals again saving $$ Also crew efficiencies too..! Also many other ideas could lead to a more efficient BCF system...! Its the future u gotta think outside the box...! Can I ask whereabouts are you located? Sorry, but I don't get the sense that you're very familiar with coast geography or the operational aspects of our ferry system. Maybe I'm wrong.
Deck Cadet: Given that there is no plan to expand route 30 service, and taking into account also that there are three berths available at Departure Bay and there has been millions in service cuts to the lifeline routes, I just don't see how or why there would be money for a second berth at Duke Point.
That is great news about the Fulford expansion. Saltspring is by far the most populous island served by BC Ferries, aside from the major routes of course, and Fulford is the essential connection. Long overdue.
Maybe that good news post would be better placed in the southern Gulf Islands terminals thread... this one might not turn out to be very edifying.
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Post by Mike C on May 31, 2015 19:20:25 GMT -8
Here is the scenario that is repeating itself:
- It's Wednesday afternoon. Government employee has an Excel spreadsheet open. "Gosh", he says. "Three ferry terminals in Nanaimo seems like a lot. And another three on Saltspring? Geez. There's bound to be a way to fix this." And he writes it in some report somewhere that it might be something to think about.
>cue speculation thread on ferries forum<
It then takes a couple months for everyone to come back to their senses and realize that each terminal plays it's own unique role and we probably shouldn't just close down a terminal because someone at the Ministry of Transportation has a hard time counting to three.
I am not saying that our government's quest for minimal cost savings is with an ounce of rationality. However, I don't think that they would take a measure this drastic.
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Post by roeco on May 31, 2015 22:41:49 GMT -8
Where am I located...well right now I live in Alberta but Was born and raised on VANCOUVER ISLAND!!! And go Their every Year for the last 10 years or so...And Actually I lived in Vancouver area for 7 years and Have been on Every Ferry Route their is and then some except for I believe 1 or 2 little tiny ones. Never been to Gambier Island nor have I ever been to Queen Charlottes..!I was on all the stena ships,Princess Maggie,Queen of Burnabys incarnation on Seattle run...hmmm can I think of more...  |
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 1, 2015 20:52:02 GMT -8
How long ago did he make that suggestion? That was during the golden-age of Q-Teen, which was during the forum's Cascadian era. So 8 or 9 years ago maybe. Legendary items become timeless. Many similar suggestions were made, but that particular one always stood out to me as being extra Quinsimian in absurdity. I was here ... but wasn't aware of (or it didn't exist?) the "recent posts" function. Thus, I read by thread, and just quit reading whole scale the threads that got whacky. |
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