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Post by Curtis on Nov 22, 2016 18:12:01 GMT -8
Now that the Salish Orca has begun her voyage to BC. I think it's time to separate her from the construction thread and have a thread focused on her delivery. Here is her current track as seen on Marine Traffic. As we have done with other vessels during their delivery, I'm also using this thread for an Arrival Pool. Simply guess the date she will arrive in BC whoever wins gets bragging rights. I'm going to pick January 8th as her arrival date. Arrival Dates:January 1: Mike CJanuary 3: mybidness459January 8: Curtis, Jay C.January 15: NickJanuary 18: tak22First Port of Call:Esquimalt: WettCoast
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 22, 2016 20:45:30 GMT -8
Now that the Salish Orca has begun her voyage to BC. I think it's time to separate her from the construction thread and have a thread focused on her delivery. Here is her current track as seen on Marine Traffic. As we have done with other vessels during their delivery, I'm also using this thread for an Arrival Pool. Simply guess the date she will arrive in BC whoever wins gets bragging rights. I'm going to pick January 8th as her arrival date. Haha, this morning that was the exact date that I had guessed for her arrival as well on January 8th.
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Post by FNS on Nov 22, 2016 22:56:29 GMT -8
Her first port of call is Tenerife. EDIT:
The Kiel Canal and Rendsburg cam site links are deleted from this posting as the SALISH ORCA went around north of Denmark instead.As for her arrival, all I can say is "She'll get here when she gets here".
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Post by Nick on Nov 22, 2016 23:03:14 GMT -8
I'm gonna go with a week later, January 15th arrival in BC waters.
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Post by Starsteward on Nov 23, 2016 7:19:45 GMT -8
I'm gonna go with a week later, January 15th arrival in BC waters. If we use 'BC waters' as an arrival point for the Salish Orca, are we apt to have some disagreement as to exactly where we point to the start of BC waters? ie. entrance to the Strait of Juan de Fuca? or ? Since we can track the vessel's transit in real time, could we maybe use a navigational landmark or some other pre-determined finish line?
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 23, 2016 7:52:13 GMT -8
I'm gonna go with a week later, January 15th arrival in BC waters. If we use 'BC waters' as an arrival point for the Salish Orca, are we apt to have some disagreement as to exactly where we point to the start of BC waters? ie. entrance to the Strait of Juan de Fuca? or ? Since we can track the vessel's transit in real time, could we maybe use a navigational landmark or some other pre-determined finish line? Race Rocks / Rocky Point? Would that be a good landmark to determine the start of BC waters?
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Post by Nick on Nov 23, 2016 9:20:42 GMT -8
I'm gonna go with a week later, January 15th arrival in BC waters.     If we use 'BC waters' as an arrival point for the Salish Orca, are we apt to have some disagreement as to exactly where we point to the start of BC waters?    ie. entrance to the Strait of Juan de Fuca? or ?     Since we can track the vessel's transit in real time, could we maybe use a navigational landmark or some other pre-determined finish line?   I had been thinking Cape Flattery when I wrote that but I'm not sticky. I would accept Race Rocks or the brotchie ledge pilot station as well.
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Post by yak on Nov 23, 2016 11:12:25 GMT -8
Looks like she's just gone via Copenhagen... no Kiel Canal? I'll be joining her in Panama for the home stretch, so how about "officially entering BC waters" when I get cell service?
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Post by Mike C on Nov 23, 2016 11:32:12 GMT -8
I'll take a week earlier from Curtis, January 1st. I am hoping earlier, since I'll be flying back to PG on the 2nd.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 23, 2016 14:11:25 GMT -8
I think that we should judge this 'contest' by when the ship passes by Victoria (Brotchie Ledge) or if its stops in Victoria or Esquimalt. Now I won't bother guessing the date of arrival but I will guess what location will be her first 'port of call' in British Columbia ... My guess - Esquimalt.
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Post by FNS on Nov 23, 2016 23:02:39 GMT -8
The SALISH ORCA is at the north end of Denmark and is entering the North Sea. My next update is English Channel. No Kiel Canal for this voyage. Unlike what I did for the Coastal Class and NORTHERN EXPEDITION, there won't be daily midnight position updates for the Salish Class ferries. Only updates of interest will be posted instead.
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Post by Starsteward on Nov 24, 2016 7:54:38 GMT -8
Looks like she's just gone via Copenhagen... no Kiel Canal? I'll be joining her in Panama for the home stretch, so how about "officially entering BC waters" when I get cell service? Good sailing on the home stretch. Cell phone service to B.C. locations might be spotty until you get to the Esquimalt area of the Strait of Juan de Fuca?
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Post by mybidness459 on Nov 24, 2016 16:20:28 GMT -8
Because it is my niece's birthday I will say Jan 3 by 23:59 the Orca will have passed Cape Flattery into the Juan de Fuca.
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Post by tula12 on Nov 25, 2016 13:50:28 GMT -8
I noticed when checking AIS for the Salish Orca that she is traveling under St. Vincent Grenadines registry. I'm assuming that she will be transferred to Canadian registry once she arrives. Why this arrangement?
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Post by FNS on Nov 25, 2016 14:16:05 GMT -8
The SALISH ORCA passed over the Channel Tunnel at 1340PST and will soon get her first taste of the Atlantic Ocean. Next update will be when she nears the Canary Islands.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 25, 2016 14:41:22 GMT -8
I noticed when checking AIS for the Salish Orca that she is traveling under St. Vincent Grenadines registry. I'm assuming that she will be transferred to Canadian registry once she arrives. Why this arrangement? It's simplest for the shipyard, who still owns the ship. They did the same thing when the 3 coastal-class ships were delivered to BC. It's a "flag of convenience" decision, to keep things simple for the shipyard on the delivery. It provides a short-term photo opportunity to get a photo of a BC Ferry with a registration city of "Kingstown" painted on her stern.
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Post by Dane on Nov 25, 2016 17:47:15 GMT -8
And the NorEx and NorAd
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Post by mybidness459 on Nov 25, 2016 18:09:21 GMT -8
Thus means she will need a pilot when she does indeed enter CDN waters. So as January approaches we can monitor the CPA website for a more definite eta.
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Post by tula12 on Nov 25, 2016 18:57:36 GMT -8
Thanks...that does make sense.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 25, 2016 19:32:21 GMT -8
Thanks...that does make sense. From the shipyard's perspective, they send their yard's ships to customers all over the world (well, not Switzerland or Afghanistan), and so it is simplest for the shipyard to just deal with one set of regulations for when they register their ships. MORE HEREA minor result of the BC Ferries being built overseas is that we get to be exposed to some of these international shipping quirks that people like me otherwise wouldn't know about.
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Post by tula12 on Nov 25, 2016 20:54:27 GMT -8
I have heard of "flags of convenience" but didn't realize they were used temporarily for delivery. When does the actual transfer of ownership and subsequent Canadian registry occur?
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Post by Dane on Nov 25, 2016 21:13:38 GMT -8
Relatively quickly after arrival; BC Ferries inspects the vessel sort of like any of us buying a car, but at an obviously larger scale. The first vessel always takes the longest, assuming there is not issues with vessel two or three. With the Coastal class the Renaissance, the first one delivered, needed to pass all its Transport Canada certifications before BC Ferries took possession. The Inspiration and Celebration that received conditional passes from TC before even arriving, with some work done to confirm their compliance with Canadian regulations when they were actually in British Columbia.
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Post by futureferrydriver on Nov 28, 2016 16:08:13 GMT -8
I'm assuming it will probably refuel a couple times along the way, but does anyone know if the Orca has the capacity to make the Atlantic crossing part without carrying extra fuel tanks on the car deck? Up until a few weeks ago I would've thought she'd be able to carry more than enough for a Trans-Atlantic trip but then I was talking to the captian (or maybe it was the Chief Officer) of the Renaissance and he told me that they take a B-Train of fuel every 2 or 3 days. My conclusion is that either the 'gas' tanks on the ferries are a lot smaller than I thought, or that they fill them up way more often than they need to.
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Post by Nick on Nov 28, 2016 16:34:08 GMT -8
I'm assuming it will probably refuel a couple times along the way, but does anyone know if the Orca has the capacity to make the Atlantic crossing part without carrying extra fuel tanks on the car deck? Up until a few weeks ago I would've thought she'd be able to carry more than enough for a Trans-Atlantic trip but then I was talking to the captian (or maybe it was the Chief Officer) of the Renaissance and he told me that they take a B-Train of fuel every 2 or 3 days. My conclusion is that either the 'gas' tanks on the ferries are a lot smaller than I thought, or that they fill them up way more often than they need to. BCF typically has a policy of bunkering as often as possible. Most major vessels bunker either every day or every other day. The Spirits for example bunker a B train (approx. 60 cubic metres) every day except Sunday, and when the CCel is working as No. 1 it is on a similar schedule. According to the original FSG info sheet, the Coastals are capable of holding about 420m3, which would allow them, in theory, to run for close to two weeks without bunkering. That said, it is not good practice to run the ship empty, from both a practicality standpoint (you pick up a lot more dirt and sediment by drawing the dregs from the bottom of the tanks), and a safety standpoint. As a Chief Engineer, you never want to come even close to running out of fuel. Fuel is also often used as ballast, and having a light load will cause the ship ride and handle terribly. All that to answer your question: I don't know. I'm not sure if they are running LNG or diesel for the delivery. I can't imagine the diesel tanks are all that large, as the expected diesel consumption is expected to be quite low with the vessel in operation. LNG was undoubtedly available in Gdansk for testing, and I'd assume they filled up before departure, but I don't know if it is available in Tenerife or Panama. At the end of the day, I would consider it reckless at best to not bunker fuel before a trans-atlantic crossing. You open doors to all kinds of risk by thinking "we can make it". PS Welcome back to the forum.
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Post by futureferrydriver on Nov 29, 2016 13:09:46 GMT -8
I'm assuming it will probably refuel a couple times along the way, but does anyone know if the Orca has the capacity to make the Atlantic crossing part without carrying extra fuel tanks on the car deck? Up until a few weeks ago I would've thought she'd be able to carry more than enough for a Trans-Atlantic trip but then I was talking to the captian (or maybe it was the Chief Officer) of the Renaissance and he told me that they take a B-Train of fuel every 2 or 3 days. My conclusion is that either the 'gas' tanks on the ferries are a lot smaller than I thought, or that they fill them up way more often than they need to. BCF typically has a policy of bunkering as often as possible. Most major vessels bunker either every day or every other day. The Spirits for example bunker a B train (approx. 60 cubic metres) every day except Sunday, and when the CCel is working as No. 1 it is on a similar schedule. According to the original FSG info sheet, the Coastals are capable of holding about 420m3, which would allow them, in theory, to run for close to two weeks without bunkering. That said, it is not good practice to run the ship empty, from both a practicality standpoint (you pick up a lot more dirt and sediment by drawing the dregs from the bottom of the tanks), and a safety standpoint. As a Chief Engineer, you never want to come even close to running out of fuel. Fuel is also often used as ballast, and having a light load will cause the ship ride and handle terribly. All that to answer your question: I don't know. I'm not sure if they are running LNG or diesel for the delivery. I can't imagine the diesel tanks are all that large, as the expected diesel consumption is expected to be quite low with the vessel in operation. LNG was undoubtedly available in Gdansk for testing, and I'd assume they filled up before departure, but I don't know if it is available in Tenerife or Panama. At the end of the day, I would consider it reckless at best to not bunker fuel before a trans-atlantic crossing. You open doors to all kinds of risk by thinking "we can make it". PS Welcome back to the forum. Thanks for the detailed answer Nick! Now that I think about it, it does seems more logical from a logistics standpoint to bunker daily, or as often as possible. A B train a day is probably a lot easier to coordinate than doing 7 at once once a week. I didn't even consider the LNG vs diesel thing but thats a good point. Supposing that LNG is not available in Tenerife/Panama etc, would it be plausible that they could do the first stretch using LNG from Gdansk and then switch over to diesel when it becomes appropriate? I know the whole point of these new ships is to have the flexibility to run on both, but I'm not sure if changing between the two is as simple as 'flipping a switch' or if any changes have to physically be made down below deck before that can happen.
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