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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 18, 2017 9:23:37 GMT -8
I would assume they're going to eventually berth fit a Salish class (if not the Orca then one of the other two) at every dock that's ever been visited by everything from the Capilano/Cumberland thru the Burnaby/Nanaimo.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 18, 2017 10:34:33 GMT -8
Any id a if she'll be doing any at Earls Cove or Saltery Bay in case one of the ships is ever needed there? From a facebook page "Salish Orca Ferry - Delivery Cruise" So this indicates that she will be in the Powell River area on or near Feb.22nd. I would expect it would be a multi-day visit to test a bunch of docks, and the logical home-base for that trip would be the spare berth at Saltery Bay.
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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 18, 2017 11:30:58 GMT -8
Quinitsa disappearing from Saltery Bay in the next few days will be a good indicator of the Orca overnighting there. I'm guessing they'll park the Orca at Buckley Bay if they're feeling good about letting her be 'far' away from Deas.
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Post by priver on Feb 18, 2017 11:58:01 GMT -8
How much taller does anyone figure the Salish Orca is than the Island Sky. I went to tsawwassen yesterday and she looks quite tall, the reason I'm asking is on family day I was on the island sky and it was high tide and the clearance above the island sky from the transmission lines in jervis inlet didn't look like it was very much.
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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 18, 2017 12:28:45 GMT -8
They always look close, I remember thinking that the Powell River Queen barely missed them. I have a marine chart that shows the minimum cable clearance as 160ft/48m, but I don't have the air draft of the vessels...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 18, 2017 19:35:13 GMT -8
S'Orca dock trials coming up:
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Post by jwjsamster on Feb 18, 2017 19:40:45 GMT -8
Will she be trying to dock in Snug Cove? what with the raven becoming the cover vessel for the Queen of Cap when she goes in for refits.
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Post by northwesterner on Feb 18, 2017 21:13:56 GMT -8
Over the next month, Salish Orca will conduct dock trials at ports in the Southern Gulf Islands, Sunshine Coast, Departure Bay, Duke Point, Horseshoe Bay and Swartz Bay. As part of BC Ferries’ commissioning process for any new class of vessel, ships conduct dock trials at a variety of locations for potential future deployment purposes, corporate planning and contingency scenarios. I'm just so confused regarding the purpose of the dock trials. Note that this isn't a new thing for BC Ferries to do ... its been reported that dock fitting has to occur if a vessel is used as a fill in on a route it hasn't operated on in a while. There's an old quote, that is often attributed to Yogi Berra, but probably isn't actually a Yogism. Regardless its relevant here: "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." And if BCFerries is just being super cautious and basically following what is prescribed in the above quote, than okay. I mean, they have to get the crew familiarized so might as well trust but verify the dock fit in the process. But still... The following should still be known knowns ... The ride height of the vessel while unloaded. The beam of the vessel. The bow radius of the vessel. The distance from the bow of the walk on passenger gates. etc Meanwhile, the following should be known knowns in regards to the docks ... The height adjustability of the transfer span and passenger walk on ramps The configuration and angles of the berth The positioning of the wingwalls, dolphins, and other bits of the berthing structure. etc etc etc Thus, these specs should have already been determined when the vessel was being designed. We've seen reports that BCF has started modified the Long Harbor terminal to better fit the Salish class, so obviously, many of these things have been identified and solutions planned out long before the vessel showed up. As such, the "dock fitting" should be a quick exercise. Approach the berth, lower all the ramps, check the tie-up positions, and move on. But they're spending hours at each berth, checking "the fit." What are they checking? What are the issues? If the vessel doesn't fit, then its either a design problem with the vessel, or the information that BCF should have on hand about the berths is incorrect. Or am I off-base?
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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 18, 2017 21:52:05 GMT -8
Based on my poor memory of watching BC Ferries berth test the Sidney, Tsawwassen and Burnaby at Blubber Bay on Texada, whatever their process is, it's not a 5 minute thing.
They're very careful about checking clearances of *everything* imaginable, they take pictures of it all and pages upon pages of notes. I'm pretty sure they check for unexpected movement of the marine structures too (possibly more important at Blubber Bay as the 2 main wing walls are pretty old, even back then). Plus sometimes they like to check bow and stern fit so things can get spun around a few times.
I don't know what's all on their check lists, but they seem to have a bunch and they're not short.
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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 19, 2017 10:57:49 GMT -8
Quinitsa has departed Saltery Bay, destination unknown.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 19, 2017 21:58:35 GMT -8
Last Sunday I made the trek out to Tsawwassen to get my first glimpse of the Salish Orca. Here's the first of many photos I'll likely be capturing of this vessel. All Photos are © CS16 Photography and may only be used with Permission from the Owner.Often times when I see a brand new vessel for the first time, I'm not quite used to the size proportions of the vessel. For example the Island Sky and Baynes Sound Connector looked very wide at a first glance. Maybe it was cause I was at Tsawwassen surrounded by equally large vessels, but I didn't quite have that feeling with the Orca. Nevertheless, it's not the width of this vessel that's impressive, it's the height... Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr The height certainly shows when you berth her next to the New West. Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Queen of New Westminster Docked at Berth 2 Tsawwassen. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr One last shot with more of a warm sunny glow. Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Tsawwassen. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 20, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -8
A detailed video tour of the Salish Orca, spoken mostly in Polish though. But I'm sure it's very informative if you speak Polish!
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Post by Kahloke on Feb 20, 2017 16:27:37 GMT -8
A detailed video tour of the Salish Orca, spoken mostly in Polish though. But I'm sure it's very informative if you speak Polish! Great video! A very thorough walk-thru of Orca. They did a nice job of capturing the various spaces inside the vessel. Thanks for posting it.
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Post by gulfislandkayaker on Feb 20, 2017 20:03:16 GMT -8
I wish I could have been on Pender Island today for the first visit of the Salish-class. I would guess that the Eagle won't be doing these berth fittings given it's identical dimensions to the Orca. The Eagle is going to be quite a different bird from what we have seen on the water before from BCF....with all that RED. Interesting that most seem to agree with my assessment that in person the one thing that really strikes you about the new ships is the HEIGHT. It really towers over the ol' Nanny.
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 20, 2017 20:26:11 GMT -8
From the Skeena Queen thread ... Skeena Queen departing today on her 15:00 sailing. She was painted from top to bottom on this past refit, so she's looking extra sharp now. Chris, this photo is taken from a high level; I expect from the bridge of the S. Orca. Does that mean you were doing berth fittings at Swartz Bay? Were you checking overhead walkways?
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 20, 2017 20:45:35 GMT -8
From the Skeena Queen thread ... Skeena Queen departing today on her 15:00 sailing. She was painted from top to bottom on this past refit, so she's looking extra sharp now. Chris, this photo is taken from a high level; I expect from the bridge of the S. Orca. Does that mean you were doing berth fittings at Swartz Bay? Were you checking overhead walkways? That particular photo was taken from Deck 7 on the Coastal Celebration. The bridge on the Orca is on a Deck 7 level as well, but I think it might be just a tiny bit taller even still. Dock fittings are planned in Swartz near the end of the month though
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Post by priver on Feb 21, 2017 8:12:52 GMT -8
Salish Orca on the move Earls Cove is her destination according to siitech
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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 21, 2017 8:13:09 GMT -8
The Orca is on the move, AIS destination Earl's Cove; looks like it's Jervis Inlet berth fitting today.
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 21, 2017 12:50:56 GMT -8
Maybe Ferryman or someone else in the 'know' can answer this question: Is the S Orca now running on LNG or in dual fuel mode? Or is it running at this time exclusively on marine diesel?
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Post by Curtis on Feb 21, 2017 16:14:33 GMT -8
Just going to put this pano here for now... More to come either tonight or in the next few days.
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Post by Kahn_C on Feb 21, 2017 18:32:45 GMT -8
More berth fitting dates/times:
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Post by yak on Feb 21, 2017 18:32:59 GMT -8
Maybe Ferryman or someone else in the 'know' can answer this question: Is the S Orca now running on LNG or in dual fuel mode? Or is it running at this time exclusively on marine diesel? It has been running on both LNG and on diesel at different times.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Feb 21, 2017 18:49:40 GMT -8
Just going to put this pano here for now... More to come either tonight or in the next few days. Cool angle of the entire boat! It looks a lot smaller in this shot than it actually is (or is it normally smaller than I think?). Haha, I don't really know.
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 21, 2017 19:08:16 GMT -8
Maybe Ferryman or someone else in the 'know' can answer this question: Is the S Orca now running on LNG or in dual fuel mode? Or is it running at this time exclusively on marine diesel? It has been running on both LNG and on diesel at different times. Then I assume that it has it taken on LNG fuel at Tsawwassen Terminal. The procedures should be fairly straight forward ... Thanks for the response!
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Post by Curtis on Feb 22, 2017 2:04:23 GMT -8
It's time for a big splash of Salish Orca photos from Tuesday Afternoon at Saltery Bay! Warning: Photo Heavy! All Photos are © CS16 Photography and may only be used with Permission from the Owner.We start just after 3:00 pm, after completing docking trials at Earls Cove, the Orca returned to Saltery Bay to finish up her first trip to Jervis Inlet. Salish Orca Entering Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr Head On. Salish Orca Entering Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr A profile shot. Salish Orca Approaching Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr The newest Intermediate vessel meets the previous new intermediate vessel. Amazing the difference 10 years makes in design. Island Sky Docked at Berth 2, Saltery Bay, Salish Orca Approaching Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr Open Wide... Salish Orca Approaching Berth 1 Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr A good size comparison of the two. The Orca looks tall and thin while the Sky looks short and wide. In reality though, they probably aren't all that different proportionally. Salish Orca Approaching Berth 1 Island Sky Docked at Berth 2, Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr Such a large ferry for a berth that's been around for more than 60 years. Salish Orca Docking at Berth 1 Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr Now we move to the view from onboard the Island Sky. Here we see Mount Troubridge towering behind her. Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr A closer look at her bridge and those faux cutout funnel plates. Bridge, Salish Orca. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr Now some shots upon departure at 3:50. Lots of action onboard as she was positioning herself for mooring overnight. Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr The lighting and angle in this shot reminds me of a picture I took of the Island Sky back when she was new. Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr And I will conclude here, sure was fun while it lasted. I definitely got more of a feel for the size of the vessel today than last week at Tsawwassen. Salish Orca Docked at Berth 1, Saltery Bay. by Curtis Simonetta, on Flickr That's All for Now!
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