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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 24, 2019 17:00:25 GMT -8
Also, on another note, it's not surprising that the LNG thing has turned out just to be a passing fad, with BC Ferries moving towards hybrid vessels. Last I heard the new vessels are destined to be LNG and electric hybrid. With new emissions regs, in order to operate in the North American Emissions Control Area, a vessel will have to either burn LNG or use expensive exhaust scrubbers to achieve the required emissions profile. LNG will be and was always intended as a bridge technology until battery and charging tech is capable of taking the loads of continuous propulsion. The power grid needs extensive upgrading to be able to power the ferries. Could the these vessels LNG-Electric?
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Post by Dane on Sept 25, 2019 14:53:42 GMT -8
Any substantive information on these new builds seems very delayed. I wonder why?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 25, 2019 19:47:10 GMT -8
Last I heard the new vessels are destined to be LNG and electric hybrid. With new emissions regs, in order to operate in the North American Emissions Control Area, a vessel will have to either burn LNG or use expensive exhaust scrubbers to achieve the required emissions profile. LNG will be and was always intended as a bridge technology until battery and charging tech is capable of taking the loads of continuous propulsion. The power grid needs extensive upgrading to be able to power the ferries. Could the these vessels LNG-Electric? Any substantive information on these new builds seems very delayed. I wonder why? The CEO has confirmed on CBC that new major vessels while be LNG-electric. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-ferries-hybrid-vessel-launch-1.5296957BC Ferries also stated that these vessels may go full electric.
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Post by futureferrydriver on Sept 26, 2019 7:53:54 GMT -8
This article refers to the Island Class vessels.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 26, 2019 10:19:27 GMT -8
This article refers to the Island Class vessels. But in podcast he does say that new vessel servicing Horseshoe Bay to Departure Bay route will be LNG Electric. It is around 4:30 mark of the interview.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Nov 11, 2019 21:41:08 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Dec 19, 2019 12:56:39 GMT -8
... so, I gather this project is dead for now? The RFI did not appear to get anything to the Ferry Commission, and the original (year old) time table was for these ships to be awarded now-ish to a Yard.
I am a bit nervous that there may be an effort to build-in-BC for these, which I do not think is even practicably possible until the mid-2020s with the increase in Navy/Coast Guard orders made over the last two years. Hopefully I am wrong, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 23:45:59 GMT -8
I hate to tell any coastal class ferry haters here but i have family whom works on the ferries and they have given me pictures of the new boats and they are essentially a coastal class ferry but stretched out to the overall length of the spirits and will have lng electric propulsion and diesel as a backup so the way it will work is they will run off electric power when arriving and departing and they will run on LNG fuel thee rest of the trip diesel as backup and they will be visually similar to the coastals we have currently albeit longer no Olympic art and with two LNG vent masts behind the navigation masts the fifth vessel is being built in anticipation to do with the rise in traffic we see in the busy season but Will be a relief boat in the ofc season thanks for your understanding of the long message
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 24, 2020 7:44:40 GMT -8
I hate to tell any coastal class ferry haters here but i have family whom works on the ferries and they have given me pictures of the new boats and they are essentially a coastal class ferry but stretched out to the overall length of the spirits and will have lng electric propulsion and diesel as a backup so the way it will work is they will run off electric power when arriving and departing and they will run on LNG fuel thee rest of the trip diesel as backup and they will be visually similar to the coastals we have currently albeit longer no Olympic art and with two LNG vent masts behind the navigation masts the fifth vessel is being built in anticipation to do with the rise in traffic we see in the busy season but Will be a relief boat in the ofc season thanks for your understanding of the long message I held my breath and made it through the longest sentence ever. For the part of the long un-sentence that says "they have given me pictures of the new boats," please clarify. - Are you meaning ships, or boats? I suppose that lifeboats could be long. - How can there be pictures of the "boats" if they aren't built yet? PS: please try re-posting with separate sentences to make it easy for anyone to read. Seriously, please re-post. (If you need an example, take a look at my reply and see how it's laid-out differently from your post)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 16:29:27 GMT -8
By ship pictures i am referring to the artists renderings of the new boats. By the way i am sorry about that huge single sentence. i just don't study much English, as i am not in school anymore more. hope this helps alot Mike.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 24, 2020 16:36:20 GMT -8
By ship pictures i am referring to the artists renderings of the new boats. Anything you can share here, or is that information not available yet? Would love to see some artistic renderings of what they are thinking, fully realizing that it's still early in the process.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 16:38:52 GMT -8
Unfortunately it is for employees only my dad had mentioned that it would be put in the wave magazine but not sure if it ended up in there. 😉
Also BTW I thought I should mention that I am not able to post pictures on the forum however if you want i can describe how they appear to a ferry fans like me and other members of the forum.😉
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Post by randomferryguy on Jan 25, 2020 11:17:22 GMT -8
I hate to tell any coastal class ferry haters here but i have family whom works on the ferries and they have given me pictures of the new boats and they are essentially a coastal class ferry but stretched out to the overall length of the spirits and will have lng electric propulsion and diesel as a backup so the way it will work is they will run off electric power when arriving and departing and they will run on LNG fuel thee rest of the trip diesel as backup and they will be visually similar to the coastals we have currently albeit longer no Olympic art and with two LNG vent masts behind the navigation masts the fifth vessel is being built in anticipation to do with the rise in traffic we see in the busy season but Will be a relief boat in the ofc season thanks for your understanding of the long message I believe when it comes to the batteries you are referring to to power the vessel you mean that the engines will run at a constant load. While the vessel is sailing or loading/unloading the batteries will be charging then during maneuvering (coming in to dock and leaving dock) with both drive motors running the batteries will be used to supplement the power demand. This will put less stress on the engines. If this makes sense.
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Post by pacificcat99 on Feb 9, 2020 16:32:11 GMT -8
I keep awaiting an announcement that BCF is looking to get bids to build the vessels. Hopefully BCF can keep the Alberni, New West, Coquitlam, Surrey, Cowichan, Oak Bay running long enough so we don't see the similar situation like what is happening in Washington State with the lack of relief vessels and the need for lots of repairs on the Elwha
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Post by Jess on Feb 9, 2020 16:39:39 GMT -8
I keep awaiting an announcement that BCF is looking to get bids to build the vessels. Hopefully BCF can keep the Alberni, New West, Coquitlam, Surrey, Cowichan, Oak Bay running long enough so we don't see the similar situation like what is happening in Washington State with the lack of relief vessels and the need for lots of repairs on the Elwha The plans are to get 5 new vessels to replace the Queen of New Westminster, Queen of Alberni, Queen of Coquitlam and the Queen of Cowichan. 4 will be for replacements and 1 will for expansion. The Queen of Oak Bay and Queen of Surrey will still be in service after these new ferries come in but the plan is to get 2 more ferries to replace the Surrey and Oak Bay some time after they get the new ferries. When they replace the Oak Bay and Surrey, I am not sure but not for another 10-12 years at least.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 21, 2020 20:10:08 GMT -8
Here's the latest official word on this new class of ships: - from the 3rd Quarter "Management Discussion & Analysis" report, filed on www.sedar.com, today.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 22:47:30 GMT -8
I have thought about what the Spirit class ferry would look like as double ended ferries. If they were built double ended in 1990's they would too this day still be the largest ended double ended ferries in the world. But I do love the Coastal class ships. So I am fine with the new replacements looking like the coastals.
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Post by 1foot2ships on Jun 16, 2020 18:27:20 GMT -8
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Post by markkarj on Jun 26, 2020 18:05:12 GMT -8
With COVID inflicting lasting human and economic damage, would BC Ferries put these new ships on hold for a while until the future looks more clear?
Obviously the Cs are near the end of their service life. Could they be serviced to last a few more years rather than doing a massive capital outlay at this point?
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Post by Neil on Jun 26, 2020 22:04:19 GMT -8
With COVID inflicting lasting human and economic damage, would BC Ferries put these new ships on hold for a while until the future looks more clear? Obviously the Cs are near the end of their service life. Could they be serviced to last a few more years rather than doing a massive capital outlay at this point? I think that's a good bet. I heard the CEO of Translink on CBC yesterday talking about the possibility of deferring capital projects, depending on financing from federal and provincial sources. It may well be that if venerable vessels like the Cs are still seaworthy and certifiable, they might be with us for a good while yet. I even wonder about smaller ships like the Bowen class, and Tachek and the Quadra Queen II. No reprieve for fans of the North Island Princess, though.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 26, 2020 22:29:25 GMT -8
With COVID inflicting lasting human and economic damage, would BC Ferries put these new ships on hold for a while until the future looks more clear? Obviously the Cs are near the end of their service life. Could they be serviced to last a few more years rather than doing a massive capital outlay at this point? I think that's a good bet. I heard the CEO of Translink on CBC yesterday talking about the possibility of deferring capital projects, depending on financing from federal and provincial sources. It may well be that if venerable vessels like the Cs are still seaworthy and certifiable, they might be with us for a good while yet. I even wonder about smaller ships like the Bowen class, and Tachek and the Quadra Queen II. No reprieve for fans of the North Island Princess, though. I through that Powell River Class replacements are going to proceed because contracts are already signed and BC ferries is starting work on Quadra Island. Maybe theses BC ferries is in negations or signed a deal with shipyard to start building theses vessels.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jul 28, 2020 16:41:17 GMT -8
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Post by princessofvanfan on Aug 1, 2020 21:34:21 GMT -8
I'm guessing the Surrey and Oak Bay will remain in service for about 5 years longer than planned.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Aug 2, 2020 6:46:17 GMT -8
I'm guessing the Surrey and Oak Bay will remain in service for about 5 years longer than planned. I think you mean that Queen of Cowichan, Queen of Coquitlam, Queen of Alberni and Queen of New Westminster will be in fleet probably seven years longer than expected.
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Post by Mike on Aug 2, 2020 7:35:16 GMT -8
I'm guessing the Surrey and Oak Bay will remain in service for about 5 years longer than planned. I think you mean that Queen of Cowichan, Queen of Coquitlam, Queen of Alberni and Queen of New Westminster will be in fleet probably seven years longer than expected. Considering the fact he doesn't mention any of the vessels you've listed, I don't think he means that.
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