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Post by Kahloke on Oct 10, 2018 4:55:09 GMT -8
I strongly suspect that all new major vessels will be built overseas, in Europe, as we have seen since the Coastals were built. Who knows, maybe FSG will get the new contract, and we can supply Mr. Brinkmann with more BC Ferries to construct?
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 10, 2018 7:04:33 GMT -8
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Post by vancouverecho on Oct 10, 2018 14:52:30 GMT -8
Without a heavy lift crane that can span across the entire dock to lift the sections of a new build into place, this is only meant for refit and repair work.
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Post by FNS on Oct 10, 2018 23:02:54 GMT -8
" doxk"? That must be a new word. Hopefully, something could be put together to build the big new ships here in our Salish Sea area, even if it means building components at both sides of the Peace Arch.
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Post by jwjsamster on Oct 11, 2018 4:52:56 GMT -8
Without a heavy lift crane that can span across the entire dock to lift the sections of a new build into place, this is only meant for refit and repair work. Even at that they want each ship delivered every 6 months, so they need space for several ships in various stages of construction.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 11, 2018 7:50:40 GMT -8
" doxk"? That must be a new word. Hopefully, something could be put together to build the big new ships here in our Salish Sea area, even if it means building components at both sides of the Peace Arch. Spelling is the least of the issues. A dictatorial leader with a liking for trade-wars is a bigger concern. I've got no appetite to send Canadian ferry business to Trump's America.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 11, 2018 7:59:07 GMT -8
" doxk"? That must be a new word. Hopefully, something could be put together to build the big new ships here in our Salish Sea area, even if it means building components at both sides of the Peace Arch. Spelling is the least of the issues. A dictatorial leader with a liking for trade-wars is a bigger concern. I've got no appetite to send Canadian ferry business to Trump's America. I have to agree wholeheartedly with Mike on this one. The people of the USA have to start ASAP to repair relationships between their country and just about every other country on the planet. Their first opportunity to start those repairs comes in November.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 11, 2018 14:58:28 GMT -8
Just to clarify what I wrote above ... I/we are not trying to pick a fight with our US neighbours. We are, however, expressing to you our thorough disgust with the 'leadership' Americans have chosen and the damage that that leadership has inflicted not only on relations with Canada, but indeed almost all other countries. I look forward to a hopefully not to distant day when we can talk again about such things as co-operative arrangements to build ships together.
I would love to see these new ships constructed in BC, but I know that is pretty much out of the question due to our greatly diminished capacity which BCFS is partly responsible for. As it stands now we have to send work overseas to do major upgrades which would have been done in BC in the past (e.g. stretching, lifting, re-engining type projects).
If we can't build these in BC then I would like to see other Canadian yards given preference.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 11, 2018 16:25:48 GMT -8
Just to clarify what I wrote above ... I/we are not trying to pick a fight with our US neighbours. We are, however, expressing to you our thorough disgust with the 'leadership' Americans have chosen and the damage that that leadership has inflicted not only on relations with Canada, but indeed almost all other countries. I look forward to a hopefully not to distant day when we can talk again about such things as co-operative arrangements to build ships together.
Wett Coast probably wrote this item before he saw the transcript of Kanye West's meeting with Trump today. That meeting sounded like a positive game-changer for trade relations and all other issues.
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Post by vancouverecho on Oct 11, 2018 18:11:32 GMT -8
Without a heavy lift crane that can span across the entire dock to lift the sections of a new build into place, this is only meant for refit and repair work. Even at that they want each ship delivered every 6 months, so they need space for several ships in various stages of construction. Unless the intention is to build the ships via mega blocks:
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 12, 2018 7:38:02 GMT -8
Wett Coast probably wrote this item before he saw the transcript of Kanye West's meeting with Trump today. That meeting sounded like a positive game-changer for trade relations and all other issues. I was scratching my head over this one ... WTFI Kanye West? Then I saw this on my FB feed.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 17, 2018 17:35:18 GMT -8
Looks like her fate is sealed, though, with the announcement of the five new major ships. It seems her and the Alberni will be the first to go. Definitely gonna have to get a few more trips in on her over the next few years. Why do you say the Queen of Alberni is the first C-Class to be retired? I would say the Queen of Coquitlam, Queen of Cowichan, Queen of Alberni and Queen of New Westminster. Why I say the Queen of Alberni will be the last of original Cowichan Class retire because she was the last one to get midlife upgrade.
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Post by princessofvanfan on Oct 17, 2018 20:04:17 GMT -8
Looks like her fate is sealed, though, with the announcement of the five new major ships. It seems her and the Alberni will be the first to go. Definitely gonna have to get a few more trips in on her over the next few years. Why do you say the Queen of Alberni is the first C-Class to be retired? I would say the Queen of Coquitlam, Queen of Cowichan, Queen of Alberni and Queen of New Westminster. Why I say the Queen of Alberni will be the last of original Cowichan Class retire because she was the last one to get midlife upgrade. I don't know - maybe because I hate the Alberni, especially during the summer and long weekends. She's always so crammed with passengers during busy periods - no matter how much they butcher her once sleek and graceful lines, she never seems to have enough passenger space.
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Post by jwjsamster on Oct 18, 2018 4:44:10 GMT -8
Why do you say the Queen of Alberni is the first C-Class to be retired? I would say the Queen of Coquitlam, Queen of Cowichan, Queen of Alberni and Queen of New Westminster. Why I say the Queen of Alberni will be the last of original Cowichan Class retire because she was the last one to get midlife upgrade. I don't know - maybe because I hate the Alberni, especially during the summer and long weekends. She's always so crammed with passengers during busy periods - no matter how much they butcher her once sleek and graceful lines, she never seems to have enough passenger space. I would have thought that the Queen of New Westminster would be the first to go but as to the timing of the Alberni's retirement, I would expect it to eb the first of the C class' to go due to its small passenger area.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Oct 19, 2018 20:06:07 GMT -8
Found here. Wilson wants the these new vessels to be hybrid with LNG and baterries. Also will BC Ferries have an option of two more vessels in this contract to replace the Queen of Oak Bay and Queen of Surrey?
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Post by Dane on Oct 19, 2018 22:52:42 GMT -8
BC Ferries has been in the habit of buying plans for the newbuilds; so - options, if this continues, aren't actually needed.
Salish #4 would be the first and only example of this we have seen.
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Post by Scott on Nov 4, 2018 20:28:13 GMT -8
RFP now will include an option of acquiring three additional vessels...
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Post by Neil on Nov 4, 2018 20:46:47 GMT -8
RFP now will include an option of acquiring three additional vessels... I guess they're taking into account not just the need to replace retiring vessels, but the inevitable need for a third route 30 ship, a fifth vessel for route one, and possibly another for Langdale and route two.
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Post by princessofvanfan on Nov 4, 2018 23:15:23 GMT -8
It would be nice to have the same winter schedule on route 2 as on route 1 - every 2 hours on the hour.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 5, 2018 8:49:29 GMT -8
It would be nice to have the same winter schedule on route 2 as on route 1 - every 2 hours on the hour. Once upon a time that was the case. But that was many years ago.
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Post by Starsteward on Nov 5, 2018 10:10:40 GMT -8
It would be nice to have the same winter schedule on route 2 as on route 1 - every 2 hours on the hour. Once upon a time that was the case. But that was many years ago. Utilizing of course the finest ships in the fleet at that time, the Sunshine Coast Queen and the Langdale Queen with the occasional appearance from the Sechelt Queen.
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Post by avgeekjoe on Nov 24, 2018 22:03:57 GMT -8
Hot take from Washington State... be nice if you know the plans for these boats could also be used by Washington State and Vigor Shipyards could get in on the action. Because our Jumbo Mk Is - Spokane & Walla Walla - are starting to age. Our Supers are knocking on retirement's door.
Granted, it's more important for my part of Puget Sound than yours but low wake wash like the Supers have being long & narrow would also be a plus. But then again, for your part you want good stability in the water and not to be bobbing in the seas with the general public.
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Post by Neil on Nov 30, 2018 18:11:21 GMT -8
I missed this article at the time. Brian Carter, Seaspan Shipyards, speaking about the BC Ferries projects upcoming. Clearly, Seaspan will not be bidding on any of the major vessels, and perhaps not the smaller ones either. Without Seaspan participation, even a Spirit-style joint effort will not fly.
Vancouver Sun, July 20th, 2018.
Our company, for the next several years, is unlikely to have the capacity to take on major new construction projects like this at our facilities due to our commitments with the Government of Canada. However, we applaud the provincial government and BC Ferries for their ongoing efforts to work with industry and find a way forward.
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Post by timmyc on Mar 12, 2019 11:49:23 GMT -8
BC Ferries' website now has a page for this project, with opportunities for customer feed back. There's also some small details about what they're looking at for capacity of the design: www.bcferries.com/about/projects/nextgen.html
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Post by Neil on Mar 12, 2019 17:17:34 GMT -8
BC Ferries' website now has a page for this project, with opportunities for customer feed back. There's also some small details about what they're looking at for capacity of the design: www.bcferries.com/about/projects/nextgen.htmlAs an aside, the website states that for BC Ferries' AEQ capacity calculations, they assume that everyone is driving a Ford F150. Weird, but I guess at least they'll never overbook reservation space.
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