dave2
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Post by dave2 on Apr 17, 2019 16:06:47 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 17, 2019 17:10:42 GMT -8
I kinda agree with that but BC Ferries should limit the drinks pre-customers based out on age. I think the they allow it Seawest lounge because it seems like it would suit the name.
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Post by Mike C on Apr 17, 2019 18:06:17 GMT -8
I kinda agree with that but BC Ferries should limit the drinks pre-customers based out on age. I think the they allow it Seawest lounge because it seems like it would suit the name. BCF should limit liquor sales based on age? You are aware that this law already exists...?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 17, 2019 18:40:46 GMT -8
The beer and wine news has sparked my coastal curiosity.
First off, it's a shame that the alcohol doesn't extend to Route 30, because I think nothing could be more appropriate than buying and drinking a bottle of Lucky Lager on the Queen of Alberni.
But back to reality... For the beer, here's hoping that BCFerries strikes a deal with a Victoria area mico-brewery like Phillips or Vancouver Island Brewery to supply good beer. Let's hope that BCF doesn't spoil the opportunity by only thinking of Molson or Labatt swill.
And how about some custom named drinks? I'll have a Coastal Chardonnay, please. Or a SoBC Shiraz. Or a Mayne Queen Merlot (oops, wrong ship).
mmm, now I'm thinking of a SoVI Stout.
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Post by Mike on Apr 17, 2019 19:08:27 GMT -8
mmm, now I'm thinking of a SoVI Stout. How about a Northern Adventure Amber Ale?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Apr 17, 2019 21:03:14 GMT -8
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Apr 17, 2019 21:33:58 GMT -8
No idea what you're referring to with your "19 to 30" remark. In other news... in a shocker, the esteemed 'Dear BC Ferries' facebook page has stated that this 'idea' is another sign that BC Ferries is being fashioned as a cruise line. Guess the dimwits who inhabit that site have never been to Bremerton, on the noted cruise ship, the Tacoma.
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Post by Starsteward on Apr 18, 2019 10:45:03 GMT -8
I hate to rain on this 'news' but I believe this foray into beverage service on ANY of the less than 2 hour routes is a mistake. The thinking 'back in the day' was that serving alcohol on any of these routes, especially routes 1 and 2 was a misguided, and socially inappropriate venture. The premise was that BC Ferries would be putting vehicles and drivers back on the highways usually less than 2 hours after alcohol consumption, even though there was acknowledgment that there were less vehicles of all descriptions on those highways than there is today. Fast forward to todays' social scene. The legalization of marijuana presents user/vehicle-driver issues that could pose questions/problems should accidents occur. Adding possible alcohol consumption to this mix is another tangled web that could also pose legal problems. I'm not saying that 'pot' smokers will be alcohol consumers but in the contexts of highway safety, we will now potentially have 2 issues to sort out should any 'incidents' occur. Catering staff will be required to pass a 'Serve It Right' exam at, I suspect BCFS's cost. This exam will be in addition to the catering staff already needing to possess at least the basic 'Food Safe' certificate(s). There is also the factor of 'crew safety' when it comes to enforcing the 2 drink limit. This issue should not be taken lightly as I have seen passengers get somewhat 'owly' back in the good old days when we finally got a cocktail bar installed on the Queen of Prince Rupert. The cocktail lounge was disbanded after the dear old girl was relieved of her Victoria- Seattle duties and put back on route 30. If anything, BCFS should actively consider expanding liquor services to all the Northern Routes where beverage services could be tailored/adjusted to destination arrival times. IF, BCFS does go ahead with beer and wine service on route 1, the product 'listing' process especially with regard to the myriad of craft brewers will be another snake-pit of headaches. Guaranteed.
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Post by Dane on Apr 18, 2019 11:43:38 GMT -8
I'm on team let adults be adults; realistically is anyone going to get impaired within 90 minutes at what will no doubt be high liquor prices? Seems unlikely. Will someone do it? For sure. But people do all sorts of dumb things, and I don't see this opening up any significant liability. Heck on I'm the ferry now and there's a woman walking around drinking straight vodka.
I'm also almost always a walk or bike on. You can find me in the buffet with my beer.
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Post by Nickfro on Apr 18, 2019 13:02:58 GMT -8
I think this venture will work out well for how they've drawn it up. You can only have beer or wine in a contained area (Pacific Buffet) that must be accompanied with food, and a 2 drink limit as an attempt to keep it 'classy'. This will surely increase demand (and revenue) for the buffet. Only drawback is more demand that results in waitlists on busier sailings. This approach won't make any people become 'that guy' (or gal) on the ship, as that's reserved to those who were probably already lit up prior to boarding.
This approach is much different from being able to walk around the ship with libation in hand, which means they are approaching this cautiously.
If pilot is successful, I could see the Seawest Lounge serving adult beverages as well since it's also in a contained area that provides food. Not sure how the licensing works, but since you pay to get in, it may be acceptable to drink liquor even if you don't eat anything.
It'll be hard pressed to implement this on the older ships without spending a pile of money on interior renovations, unless the model changes. The simplest method might be having gated entrance and exits in/out of the cafeteria, but I'm not versed in F&B licensing requirements in any way.
I'll admit I haven't sailed on a WSF ship recently, but if their model works for the relatively short sailings in Puget Sound, I can't see how this cautious implementation won't work positively for BC Ferries.
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Post by Starsteward on Apr 18, 2019 13:08:12 GMT -8
I'm on team let adults be adults; realistically is anyone going to get impaired within 90 minutes at what will no doubt be high liquor prices? Seems unlikely. Will someone do it? For sure. But people do all sorts of dumb things, and I don't see this opening up any significant liability. Heck on I'm the ferry now and there's a woman walking around drinking straight vodka. I'm also almost always a walk or bike on. You can find me in the buffet with my beer. Thanks for your on-the-spot response 'Dane'. I agree that it is guaranteed that some folks will do dumb things and for which they will have to answer if laws are broken or accidents happen. Individuals may have to answer for their part in any violations/accidents but make no mistake, BCFS could get dragged into any incident where there were any indications of impairment in an accident investigation. I rest assured that as a conscientious bike rider a visit to the buffet would not jeopardize your cycling abilities. Now it's about the woman wandering about drinking straight vodka...
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Post by Starsteward on Apr 18, 2019 13:13:08 GMT -8
I think this venture will work out well for how they've drawn it up. You can only have beer or wine in a contained area (Pacific Buffet) that must be accompanied with food, and a 2 drink limit as an attempt to keep it 'classy'. This will surely increase demand (and revenue) for the buffet. Only drawback is more demand that results in waitlists on busier sailings. This approach won't make any people become 'that guy' (or gal) on the ship, as that's reserved to those who were probably already lit up prior to boarding. This approach is much different from being able to walk around the ship with libation in hand, which means they are approaching this cautiously. If pilot is successful, I could see the Seawest Lounge serving adult beverages as well since it's also in a contained area that provides food. Not sure how the licensing works, but since you pay to get in, it may be acceptable to drink liquor even if you don't eat anything. It'll be hard pressed to implement this on the older ships without spending a pile of money on interior renovations, unless the model changes. The simplest method might be having gated entrance and exits in/out of the cafeteria, but I'm not versed in F&B licensing requirements in any way. I'll admit I haven't sailed on a WSF ship recently, but if their model works for the relatively short sailings in Puget Sound, I can't see how this cautious implementation won't work positively for BC Ferries. Perhaps some of our forum members from 'below the 49th' could enlighten us as to WSF policy as many of their runs are similar in time/length to BCFS's route 1.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Apr 18, 2019 14:43:01 GMT -8
Perhaps some of our forum members from 'below the 49th' could enlighten us as to WSF policy as many of their runs are similar in time/length to BCFS's route 1. Here on our side of the line, state law states that all alcoholic beverages consumed on a ferry must be purchased and consumed in the galley. Alcaholic beverages are available on all WSF routes except Point Defiance-Tahlequah. Alcoholic beverage sales terminate 15 minutes prior to arrival, or half way through the crossing on runs shorter than 30 minutes. I'm not sure about how much one is allowed to buy, but I believe it is a one-drink limit on routes shorter than 30 minutes, and two drinks on any longer crossings. Anybody who purchases a drink on a WSF vessel will have their I.D. checked.
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Post by Alberni on Apr 18, 2019 23:33:04 GMT -8
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Post by futureferrydriver on Apr 19, 2019 15:03:06 GMT -8
And in typical CTV News fashion the article ends with a picture of the Queen of New West (with the name CLEARLY visible I might add) captioned “The Coastal Celebration is one of the three BC Ferries ships [that will be serving beer].”
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Post by Starsteward on Apr 19, 2019 15:49:26 GMT -8
And in typical CTV News fashion the article ends with a picture of the Queen of New West (with the name CLEARLY visible I might add) captioned “The Coastal Celebration is one of the three BC Ferries ships [that will be serving beer].” In general Vancouver television media does a horrible job at covering anything relating to maritime activity. In this particular case, someone should get a kick in the butt and told to do their jobs with a little bit of accuracy and maybe even some pride!
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Post by futureferrydriver on Apr 20, 2019 10:27:20 GMT -8
And in typical CTV News fashion the article ends with a picture of the Queen of New West (with the name CLEARLY visible I might add) captioned “The Coastal Celebration is one of the three BC Ferries ships [that will be serving beer].” In general Vancouver television media does a horrible job at covering anything relating to maritime activity. In this particular case, someone should get a kick in the butt and told to do their jobs with a little bit of accuracy and maybe even some pride! I’m sure I sound like a jerk complaining about little stuff like that but its irritating and it happens all the time; maritime stuff especially, but also airport/plane stuff is really bad. Its unfortunate because these people are supposed to be professionals. Its hard to take any of this stuff seriously when they don’t bother to put in the effort on the small things.
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 20, 2019 12:34:22 GMT -8
We have another thread on this forum that deals with smoking & drinking on BC Ferries. This topic has been discussed before. My question to everyone here who travels or works on the ferries ...
"Has there ever been sales of alcoholic beverages aboard any ferries other than the northern routes in the almost 60 year history of BC Ferries?"
I am fairly sure that the answer is NO, but I could be mistaken.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Apr 20, 2019 16:48:29 GMT -8
We have another thread on this forum that deals with smoking & drinking on BC Ferries. This topic has been discussed before. My question to everyone here who travels or works on the ferries ...
"Has there ever been sales of alcoholic beverages aboard any ferries other than the northern routes in the almost 60 year history of BC Ferries?"
I am fairly sure that the answer is NO, but I could be mistaken.
You're right. There's never even been a trial.
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Post by paulvanb on Apr 21, 2019 11:59:17 GMT -8
mmm, now I'm thinking of a SoVI Stout. How about a Northern Adventure Amber Ale? How about a Powell River porter, Alert Bay amber ale, or a Howe Sound hefeweisen???
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Post by dofd on Apr 27, 2019 1:03:35 GMT -8
As someone who has walked on for many years. Yes a beer might be nice. Now that I found driving on is so much better, still think a beer might be nice. But maybe the coffee wins.
I can not see the 'I am driving and going to party on the boat'. If the boat(s) would have the party mentality, yes.
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Post by hwy19man on Jun 20, 2019 13:27:50 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 9, 2019 17:35:36 GMT -8
BC Ferries now has confirmed that alcohol sales on route 1 will start in late October: www.bcferries.com/bcferries/faces/attachments?id=1377978I don’t see this continuing after trail period because it going to be hard to deal with enforcement of drunk drivers and one drink per person. I personally hope that they check every one ID and puts in the they name in a system that can them who has a drink.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Sept 9, 2019 20:13:47 GMT -8
BC Ferries now has confirmed that alcohol sales on route 1 will start in late October: www.bcferries.com/bcferries/faces/attachments?id=1377978I don’t see this continuing after trail period because it going to be hard to deal with enforcement of drunk drivers and one drink per person. I personally hope that they check every one ID and puts in the they name in a system that can them who has a drink. Washington State Ferries has had beer sales for decades, with little evidence of abuse. BC Ferries has a lot more employees on board to keep an eye on things. I have little doubt that this will be a success, unless it's not profitable to jump through the regulatory hoops for the sake of serving one drink per customer.
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Post by 1foot2ships on Dec 9, 2019 17:06:04 GMT -8
just curious if anybody has any info on how the trial is going.
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