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Post by Starsteward on May 31, 2020 9:44:13 GMT -8
a few of you were wondering (including me) why the corporation is likely going to be using disposable cutlery despite all the negatives (added costs, environmental impact, other stupid reasons)... i just thought of this and i dont know if it makes me a genius or not, but can the reason for throw away fork and knives be that they dont want customers going through the clean cutlery bin? i have no inside knowledge. im totally just speculating. That's as good a guess as anything else I've heard so? Why not?
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Post by Starsteward on May 31, 2020 9:48:00 GMT -8
A service notice advising that travel back from the Gulf Islands to Tsawwassen tomorrow is fully booked points once again to the shortsighted decision to replace the Queen of Nanaimo with smaller vessels. The Salish class have about 25% less vehicle capacity, and, depending on license, 50% less pax capacity than the ' Nanaimo, which really becomes a factor with the COVID 19 reduction of 50% capacity all around. Hey 'Neil', would they notice if we painted the 'Nanaimo' over the 'Burnaby'? To save money on paint we'd just leave the 'Queen of' part the way it is.
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Post by timmyc on May 31, 2020 11:56:33 GMT -8
Probably more so that used cutlery can be disposed of by the passenger directly into the relevant waste receptacle, rather than be handled by Ferries staff on their way to the washing machine (which might require pre-rinsing using a high-pressure spray, aerosolizing any germs and waste that the staff would have to breathe in). That, at least, was one of the points raised by a local restaurant regarding challenges to reopening.
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Post by 1foot2ships on Jun 2, 2020 15:22:09 GMT -8
Probably more so that used cutlery can be disposed of by the passenger directly into the relevant waste receptacle, rather than be handled by Ferries staff on their way to the washing machine. . . so then by your logic, that means nothing the passenger touches can go through the dishwasher? all cutlery, china, drinking vessels, (even plastic trays?) will henceforth be disposable?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 2, 2020 17:24:26 GMT -8
Probably more so that used cutlery can be disposed of by the passenger directly into the relevant waste receptacle, rather than be handled by Ferries staff on their way to the washing machine. . . so then by your logic, that means nothing the passenger touches can go through the dishwasher? all cutlery, china, drinking vessels, (even plastic trays?) will henceforth be disposable? Exactly. That's exactly what he meant. I will also add my own logic that the entire ship should be disposable.
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Post by Mike on Jun 2, 2020 18:13:02 GMT -8
I will also add my own logic that the entire ship should be disposable. It's the only way to be totally safe.
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Post by Neil on Jun 2, 2020 20:25:47 GMT -8
Tsawwassen to Long Harbour resumes in a few days, along with more familiar schedules for the rest of routes five and nine. So hard for BC Ferries and the province as a whole to navigate dealing with the dangers of this virus, and the need to live some semblance of a normal life. Dr Henry announced just four new COVID 19 cases today. We seem to be in single digits or teens most days now. Not a return to normal, but hopefully, at least, an eventual return to a time where forum members aren't obsessing about cutlery. .
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 3, 2020 18:17:37 GMT -8
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Post by dofd on Jun 4, 2020 1:01:29 GMT -8
I will also add my own logic that the entire ship should be disposable. It's the only way to be totally safe. Pykrete, to build the set number of ferries during the day, start with the 1st and keep building...................forever. Edit: the terminals will need to be dredged of wood chips.
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Post by timmyc on Jun 4, 2020 10:22:34 GMT -8
Probably more so that used cutlery can be disposed of by the passenger directly into the relevant waste receptacle, rather than be handled by Ferries staff on their way to the washing machine. . . so then by your logic, that means nothing the passenger touches can go through the dishwasher? all cutlery, china, drinking vessels, (even plastic trays?) will henceforth be disposable? It's not my logic - like I said, it's what a local restaurant stated as a concern of theirs to reopening, and there's no reason why it wouldn't apply to BCF. Again, to be clear, it's not the dishwasher itself, but the pre-rinse that requires blasting plates and utensils with a hand-held high-pressure nozzle over the sink in an unenclosed kitchen environment. For everything else a passenger touches on the ship, you can wipe down with sanitizing agents - seats, door handles, railings. Can't do that with grimy dishes and utensils unless you want to take forever handwashing them.
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Post by Charles on Jun 4, 2020 18:04:11 GMT -8
so then by your logic, that means nothing the passenger touches can go through the dishwasher? all cutlery, china, drinking vessels, (even plastic trays?) will henceforth be disposable? It's not my logic - like I said, it's what a local restaurant stated as a concern of theirs to reopening, and there's no reason why it wouldn't apply to BCF. Again, to be clear, it's not the dishwasher itself, but the pre-rinse that requires blasting plates and utensils with a hand-held high-pressure nozzle over the sink in an unenclosed kitchen environment. For everything else a passenger touches on the ship, you can wipe down with sanitizing agents - seats, door handles, railings. Can't do that with grimy dishes and utensils unless you want to take forever handwashing them. I’m actually a dishwasher/cook for Boston Pizza and we still wash all of our dishes with our high power nozzle... I don’t think it’s that big of a concern as long as you’re wearing a basic mask, and if you feel unsafe, invest in a higher quality mask or face shield. Perhaps it’s different on a vessel with cleaning dishes, but I see no reason why it would be such a massive issue and if it really is then they just convert to all disposable utensils, plates and cups.
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Post by Starsteward on Jun 5, 2020 16:09:52 GMT -8
It's not my logic - like I said, it's what a local restaurant stated as a concern of theirs to reopening, and there's no reason why it wouldn't apply to BCF. Again, to be clear, it's not the dishwasher itself, but the pre-rinse that requires blasting plates and utensils with a hand-held high-pressure nozzle over the sink in an unenclosed kitchen environment. For everything else a passenger touches on the ship, you can wipe down with sanitizing agents - seats, door handles, railings. Can't do that with grimy dishes and utensils unless you want to take forever handwashing them. I’m actually a dishwasher/cook for Boston Pizza and we still wash all of our dishes with our high power nozzle... I don’t think it’s that big of a concern as long as you’re wearing a basic mask, and if you feel unsafe, invest in a higher quality mask or face shield. Perhaps it’s different on a vessel with cleaning dishes, but I see no reason why it would be such a massive issue and if it really is then they just convert to all disposable utensils, plates and cups. Commercial dishwashers, properly maintained and hot water temperatures set correctly are more than sufficient for cleaning all manner of tableware. If one has ever lifted the hood on the dishwasher when its completed a cycle the steam and heat is fairly intense. Keep up the good work at Boston Pizza.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 5, 2020 21:16:43 GMT -8
With BC Ferries returning to normal services over the coming weeks. When will BC Ferries returning to normal on-board services and normal service in terminals?
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Post by dave2 on Jun 8, 2020 12:44:07 GMT -8
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Post by Curtis on Jun 8, 2020 13:09:43 GMT -8
Here’s the Media Release from BC Ferries on the face covering requirements: www.bcferries.com/bcferries/faces/attachments?id=7625The major points: (Or the TL;DR if you prefer) -All passengers over the age of 2 will be required to have a face covering to travel as of June 15. -These rules will apply to all routes longer than 30 minutes. -BC Ferries will not be providing face coverings to passengers. -Customers will be asked if they have a face covering and are willing to use it. -Service will be refused if a customer does not answer the question or says no. Honestly surprised this didn’t happen sooner. What a way to ring in their 60th anniversary though.
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Post by Elwha on the Rocks on Jun 8, 2020 19:42:36 GMT -8
Interesting timing indeed... I'll be curious to see the public reaction on the requirement. So far, WSF has very carefully said that masks are "strongly encouraged" but not "required."
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 8, 2020 19:54:40 GMT -8
BC Ferries told me if people can’t wear them for any reason they won’t make them wear them but I think you have to have one with you. I was also told if in vehicles you don’t need them but you should have them with you if you don’t have one you might not be able to board. My question is what about the northern routes?? That’s a long time to be wearing a mask I can barley wear one for 30 mins I guess I’ll have to soon if I’m on the ferry.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 13, 2020 12:28:47 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Jun 13, 2020 17:13:00 GMT -8
^ I'm going to assume it has to do with passenger volume. Having not been on a ferry since March 11 I'm only left to guess, but I just cannot imagine Route 30 having that many pax. Conversely from afar Route 3 seems to be headed towards more commuters?
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Post by Neil on Jun 13, 2020 20:52:37 GMT -8
^ I'm going to assume it has to do with passenger volume. Having not been on a ferry since March 11 I'm only left to guess, but I just cannot imagine Route 30 having that many pax. Conversely from afar Route 3 seems to be headed towards more commuters? At least they're not insisting that people keep their masks on while they eat. That could involve learning an entirely new life skill. In 2019, route three carried about 2.2 million passengers, and route 30, 1.4 million. For a good part of the year, the number of sailings per day are similar, but peak period additions to route three mean that the per sailing pax total between the two routes is not wildly different over a year. I would think that on a two hour sailing, more people are going to be inclined to seek something to eat than on a forty minute trip. On the other hand, for most of the year, route three is cheaper to operate, with only one vessel and two daily crews carrying more traffic than the two vessels and four crews on route thirty. Obviously, BC Ferries has the revenue stats to determine where the most sustainable food operation is, much better than I can.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 15, 2020 18:15:01 GMT -8
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Post by Charles on Jun 15, 2020 18:39:50 GMT -8
I just checked the reservations, it says the Queen of New Westminster will be on full stand by only, so she may see service only when needed I believe but it’s not completely out of the question.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 15, 2020 20:20:02 GMT -8
I just checked the reservations, it says the Queen of New Westminster will be on full stand by only, so she may see service only when needed I believe but it’s not completely out of the question. I don’t think the reservation system has been updated. I think the schedule I linked are the correct schedule.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 15, 2020 20:39:43 GMT -8
Coastal Celebration is also running a few trips in a week or so according to this schedule. I would love to see the Raven on route 5 this summer instead of her sitting idle. They could use the Mayne Queen as a relief ship this summer. I wonder if route 2 will see the Renaissance this summer or just the two c class?? I was on the SOVI and SOBC yesterday and I will say that vehicle traffic is starting to increase and both ways were almost full for vehicles. I think going over was full and coming back was about 70% Regular White Spot Burgers and Fries and Chicken Strips in Cafeteria. No Fountain Drinks or Self Serve Coffee or anything like that. They do not have the cups and trays either at the moment. Vending Machines were full and stocked and available. BC Ferries doing a great job and sanitizing and cleaning. Sanitizers around the ships. Kiosks at the terminals once you touch the screen the first screen that appears is the screen with the questions for Covid. People seem to Social Distance and there are markers and signs everywhere on seats and tables and taped off areas. Arbutus Deck 6 lounge both ways was open just that section as it was busier being a Sunday. I felt very safe it was a bit weird I will admit but I loved the messages on the windows on the SOBC for all the frontline workers that was really cool the crew did a awesome job at that. Just thought I would mention some of the things I noticed.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 16, 2020 17:57:59 GMT -8
I could see Coastal Renaissance and Queen of Oak Bay being used as main vessels on route 2. I could see Queen of Cowichan or Queen of Coquitlam being used as second vessels on route 2 and 3 if BC Ferries allows vessels to transfer routes through out day.
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