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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 17, 2020 18:05:29 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 18:18:54 GMT -8
Well, who knows? After all C class do carry more cars than the Coastals, maybe that is the reason. Still kind of strange to have one of the largest ships in the fleet hanging around doing nothing all summer.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 17, 2020 18:24:21 GMT -8
Well, who knows? After all C class do carry more cars than the Coastals, maybe that is the reason. Still kind of strange to have one of the largest ships in the fleet hanging around doing nothing all summer. According to BC Ferries logic because Coastals are longer than C-Class which seems backwards, to me. I think Coastal Renaissance is better suited for social distancing because passengers have three decks to spread part compared to C-Class with two decks to spread out.
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Post by Kahloke on Jun 17, 2020 18:44:59 GMT -8
Well, who knows? After all C class do carry more cars than the Coastals, maybe that is the reason. Still kind of strange to have one of the largest ships in the fleet hanging around doing nothing all summer. I find that odd, because prior to the "new" formula for determining AEQ, the Coastals were listed as carrying more vehicles than the older C-Class. I'm going off of fuzzy memory here, but I seem to recall the original AEQ of the coastals as 370, or thereabouts. The 4 C-class ships (excluding Alberni) used to have an AEQ of 362, I think. Now, when I look at the fleet page on BC Ferries site, this is the breakdown: COASTALS: 310 Queen of Oak Bay: 308 Queen of Surrey: 308 Queen of Coquitlam: 316 Queen of Cowichan: 312 So, I guess Coq & Cow carry more vehicles than the Coastals, but not by much. It's so negligible, it really doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 20:10:35 GMT -8
All I know it is going to be quite a unique summer this year, I am not yet planning on riding the ferries this summer..., well at least nothing over 20 minutes in duration unless the restrictions are removed. I Will be going camping in a few days and the only boat I Will be on is my kayak.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:44:14 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 20, 2020 20:57:50 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Jun 20, 2020 21:40:34 GMT -8
So much for residents of the Sunshine Coast taking in any late afternoon or early evening activities/events on the Lower Mainland! Folks who use route 3 are getting royally seen-off. (for want of a better expression)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 22:07:13 GMT -8
I sense a uproar over this on all major routes once this reality hits when one has to spend 4 hours in a ferry line up on a hot summer day with screaming kids.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 21, 2020 15:15:57 GMT -8
If BC Ferries are busy now without Phrase 3, I think BC Ferries will be in for true realization that summer schedule will not be enough sailing on all major routes. I hope BC Ferries revise the schedule for more sailing throughout the day.
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Post by hwy19man on Jun 22, 2020 15:25:57 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 22, 2020 17:17:54 GMT -8
The complaining worked! Did it? Because the schedule to me still suck and there will still overloads every day.
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Post by Neil on Jun 22, 2020 19:49:36 GMT -8
The complaining worked! Did it? Because the schedule to me still suck and there will still overloads every day. I cut BC Ferries a lot of slack in our current situation. There's no playbook for this. Every schedule they post, they add the caveat that as things unfold, the schedule may change. They're losing mega-bucks, and working with the province to provide the level of service that coincides with demand. So far, it's not working very well at peak times. The situation is almost as fluid as the water the boats sail through.
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Post by Dane on Jun 22, 2020 20:12:16 GMT -8
I'm curious about BC Ferries finances over the next few weeks. Obviously they always are a money losing venture. And with significant food service closures ancillary income is tanked. But the major routes must be getting close to that point where they make a bit or close in on break even territory.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 22, 2020 20:14:26 GMT -8
Did it? Because the schedule to me still suck and there will still overloads every day. I cut BC Ferries a lot of slack in our current situation. There's no playbook for this. Every schedule they post, they add the caveat that as things unfold, the schedule may change. They're losing mega-bucks, and working with the province to provide the level of service that coincides with demand. So far, it's not working very well at peak times. The situation is almost as fluid as the water the boats sail through. Maybe BC Ferries should look transit authority and add service back when demand warrants it and gave the public notice of that instead of randomly adding sailing.
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Post by Dane on Jun 22, 2020 20:25:59 GMT -8
I cut BC Ferries a lot of slack in our current situation. There's no playbook for this. Every schedule they post, they add the caveat that as things unfold, the schedule may change. They're losing mega-bucks, and working with the province to provide the level of service that coincides with demand. So far, it's not working very well at peak times. The situation is almost as fluid as the water the boats sail through. Maybe BC Ferries should look transit authority and add service back when demand warrants it and gave the public notice of that instead of randomly adding sailing. They are. I'm fact they're doing a way better job of operating a scheduled, published service. But comparing a Transit system to a ferry network insofar as capacity & logistical considerations isn't particularly logical. BC Ferries has given several days of notice for pretty much every change. Often more. I'm not really tracking anything "random" as you've described? They've also been incredibly flexible with minimal notice to add capacity when needed. This was particularly true during the peak of the "closures" when extra Route 1 sailings were added almost immediately when reservation sell outs occurred.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 22, 2020 20:52:57 GMT -8
Maybe BC Ferries should look transit authority and add service back when demand warrants it and gave the public notice of that instead of randomly adding sailing. They are. I'm fact they're doing a way better job of operating a scheduled, published service. But comparing a Transit system to a ferry network insofar as capacity & logistical considerations isn't particularly logical. BC Ferries has given several days of notice for pretty much every change. Often more. I'm not really tracking anything "random" as you've described? They've also been incredibly flexible with minimal notice to add capacity when needed. This was particularly true during the peak of the "closures" when extra Route 1 sailings were added almost immediately when reservation sell outs occurred. But something isn’t connecting because daily vessels are delayed due peak travel demand, and only few additional sailing ain’t going to solve or help. So, I think BC Ferries will probably not see what coming when Phrase 3 officially begins because now there busy just wait until not unnecessary travel is ok.
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Post by Neil on Jun 22, 2020 21:37:58 GMT -8
They are. I'm fact they're doing a way better job of operating a scheduled, published service. But comparing a Transit system to a ferry network insofar as capacity & logistical considerations isn't particularly logical. BC Ferries has given several days of notice for pretty much every change. Often more. I'm not really tracking anything "random" as you've described? They've also been incredibly flexible with minimal notice to add capacity when needed. This was particularly true during the peak of the "closures" when extra Route 1 sailings were added almost immediately when reservation sell outs occurred. But something isn’t connecting because daily vessels are delayed due peak travel demand, and only few additional sailing ain’t going to solve or help. So, I think BC Ferries will probably not see what coming when Phrase 3 officially begins because now there busy just wait until not unnecessary travel is ok. Try again. It's difficult to respond to your post when it isn't clear what you're saying. Did you miss the part where they said schedules may change as events unfold?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 23, 2020 5:53:12 GMT -8
But something isn’t connecting because daily vessels are delayed due peak travel demand, and only few additional sailing ain’t going to solve or help. So, I think BC Ferries will probably not see what coming when Phrase 3 officially begins because now there busy just wait until not unnecessary travel is ok. Try again. It's difficult to respond to your post when it isn't clear what you're saying. Did you miss the part where they said schedules may change as events unfold? If you look at current conditions with departure and arrival route 1, 3 and 30 are delayed due peak travel demand and these routes are relatively close to the summer schedule. I think BC Ferries will need to bring back full summer schedule with reduction to early morning and late night sailing to keep with demand and half the capacity of vessels.
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Post by arrrrmatey on Jun 24, 2020 6:16:26 GMT -8
Try again. It's difficult to respond to your post when it isn't clear what you're saying. Did you miss the part where they said schedules may change as events unfold? If you look at current conditions with departure and arrival route 1, 3 and 30 are delayed due peak travel demand and these routes are relatively close to the summer schedule. I think BC Ferries will need to bring back full summer schedule with reduction to early morning and late night sailing to keep with demand and half the capacity of vessels. Routes 2 and 3 had their schedules revamped a couple of years ago to increase in-dock time and improve on time performance. It looks like they were reverted to the old schedule for now. I'm guessing the expanded schedules have required overtime, which the company was probably trying to avoid right now.... though the busy sailings are causing delays and overtime anyways, at least on fridays and sundays. There definitely needs to be more sailings - I think all routes to Vancouver island sold out last Friday evening, thus a lot of sailings have been added this weekend. BC ferries probably didn't get the chance to hire and train the many many seasonal staff this year like usual, so even if demand requires use of the usual summer schedule, they probably won't have the staff for it.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 24, 2020 6:26:41 GMT -8
If you look at current conditions with departure and arrival route 1, 3 and 30 are delayed due peak travel demand and these routes are relatively close to the summer schedule. I think BC Ferries will need to bring back full summer schedule with reduction to early morning and late night sailing to keep with demand and half the capacity of vessels. Routes 2 and 3 had their schedules revamped a couple of years ago to increase in-dock time and improve on time performance. It looks like they were reverted to the old schedule for now. I'm guessing the expanded schedules have required overtime, which the company was probably trying to avoid right now.... though the busy sailings are causing delays and overtime anyways, at least on fridays and sundays. There definitely needs to be more sailings - I think all routes to Vancouver island sold out last Friday evening, thus a lot of sailings have been added this weekend. BC ferries probably didn't get the chance to hire and train the many many seasonal staff this year like usual, so even if demand requires use of the usual summer schedule, they probably won't have the staff for it. But don’t vessels have crew just in case they need to replace another vessel or move vessel. BC Ferries could use those crew to add more sailings.
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Post by Starsteward on Jun 24, 2020 8:49:32 GMT -8
Routes 2 and 3 had their schedules revamped a couple of years ago to increase in-dock time and improve on time performance. It looks like they were reverted to the old schedule for now. I'm guessing the expanded schedules have required overtime, which the company was probably trying to avoid right now.... though the busy sailings are causing delays and overtime anyways, at least on fridays and sundays. There definitely needs to be more sailings - I think all routes to Vancouver island sold out last Friday evening, thus a lot of sailings have been added this weekend. BC ferries probably didn't get the chance to hire and train the many many seasonal staff this year like usual, so even if demand requires use of the usual summer schedule, they probably won't have the staff for it. But don’t vessels have crew just in case they need to replace another vessel or move vessel. BC Ferries could use those crew to add more sailings. Your response to 'arrrrmatey's' posting leads me to wonder if you have any idea of the process BCFS must go through to secure enough trained staff to meet the fleet-wide requirements to crew vessels almost or equal to Summer crewing levels? Please re-read your one-line response as you seem to imply that somehow the small number of crew needed to replace another vessel or move a vessel would be a sufficient number of qualified crew to sprinkle around multiple sailings, which I 'think' denotes more than ........
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Jun 24, 2020 13:07:59 GMT -8
But don’t vessels have crew just in case they need to replace another vessel or move vessel. BC Ferries could use those crew to add more sailings. Your response to 'arrrrmatey's' posting leads me to wonder if you have any idea of the process BCFS must go through to secure enough trained staff to meet the fleet-wide requirements to crew vessels almost or equal to Summer crewing levels? Please re-read your one-line response as you seem to imply that somehow the small number of crew needed to replace another vessel or move a vessel would be a sufficient number of qualified crew to sprinkle around multiple sailings, which I 'think' denotes more than ........ The schedule seems to indicate there return to normal service in September until October 13, which they will need crew to do? So I don’t see why summer cannot have graduate return to see. Also if I where professional crew who went to school to do job and got laid off every off peak season that job might appear. Then how do they run random sailing in off peak for certain vessels?
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Post by dave2 on Jun 25, 2020 20:54:54 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jun 25, 2020 21:36:15 GMT -8
I'm reading that BC Ferries is moving to relax the pax restrictions on routes, but I'm not clear on exactly where, or the time frame, so if anyone has specifics, please post.
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