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Post by Low Light Mike on May 6, 2011 5:33:30 GMT -8
Those where actualy the giant shock absorbers that are part of the dicking assembaly behind the big "bash plates" To think that the name of this shock absorber is embarrassing because its name resembles a description of big in the English language is just childish. If proper descriptions of big like gigantus make you all giggly and uncomfortable it may be time for a trip back to 6'th grade english class. ;-) Now, can we grow up and move along please?
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Post by Mill Bay on May 6, 2011 6:44:12 GMT -8
Those where actualy the giant shock absorbers that are part of the dicking assembaly behind the big "bash plates" To think that the name of this shock absorber is embarrassing because its name resembles a description of big in the English language is just childish. If proper descriptions of big like gigantus make you all giggly and uncomfortable it may be time for a trip back to 6'th grade english class. ;-) Now, can we grow up and move along please? Don't come down on me for an apparent word association that you think i made in another thread and then you think you have free license to be petty and childish on this thread. Weren't you guys the ones that said to grow up in the first place? Way to set a great example... . I'm assuming, however, it will be more like three and a half ships running on rte 1 tomorrow, as the SOBC may end up following her own interpretation of the schedule, as seems to be her wont at times.
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Post by piglet on May 6, 2011 6:57:41 GMT -8
I gladly stand corrected Kam. I only caught a bit of it as I dived back into the room to see their footage of the accident. I thought I should mention the footage and Im glad to know what I caught a few seconds of. The docks as they say "have come a long way baby" from the bumper posts they used to use as they bumped from one to another any number of times.
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Post by EGfleet on May 6, 2011 7:19:07 GMT -8
Ferry damaged in hard landing out for at least a week By Sandra McCulloch, timescolonist.com May 6, 2011 4:04 AM B.C. Ferries has pulled Coastal Celebration out of service for a week or more after the vessel had a hard landing at Swartz Bay at noon on Thursday. The 160-metre-long vessel, which can carry 370 cars, pulled out of the dock by about six metres when it suddenly reversed and hit the dock hard, said B.C. Ferries spokeswoman Deborah Marshall. There is damage to both the ship’s bow doors and the ramp. “The captain commented that you really couldn’t feel it but there was damage sustained to both ship and shore,” said Marshall. No repair cost estimate was available. After the collision, Coastal Celebration moved to another dock where vehicles and passengers were off-loaded. The noon and 4 p.m. sailings from Swartz Bay and the 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. sailings from Tsawwassen were cancelled. After the cancellations, travellers faced one- and two-sailing waits into the evening. B.C. Ferries urged travellers to avoid waits by using the Duke Point or Departure Bay routes. Today, B.C. Ferries will put a replacement vessel on the route so travellers shouldn’t experience unusual waits, said Marshall. This is the second hard landing in 10 days for B.C. Ferries vessels. Last week, the MV Mill Bay hit the dock at Brentwood Bay and sustained a hole in the hull above the water line. www.vancouversun.com/travel/Ferry+damaged+hard+landing+least+week/4735176/story.htmlsmcculoch@timescolonist.com
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 6, 2011 7:19:09 GMT -8
To think that the name of this shock absorber is embarrassing because its name resembles a description of big in the English language is just childish. If proper descriptions of big like gigantus make you all giggly and uncomfortable it may be time for a trip back to 6'th grade english class. ;-) Now, can we grow up and move along please? Don't come down on me for an apparent word association that you think i made in another thread and then you think you have free license to be petty and childish on this thread. Weren't you guys the ones that said to grow up in the first place? Way to set a great example... . In case anyone's wondering, I'm simply parodying a hasty-assumption post made a few days ago in another thread. - I don't really think anyone's being childish. All in parody... I'll have fun with Kam for a few months on that one.... ----------------
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Post by Koastal Karl on May 6, 2011 7:34:21 GMT -8
According to Siitech the Celebration is docked at Tsawwassen. Guess she is gonna sit there for a while.
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Post by mrdot on May 6, 2011 13:04:14 GMT -8
:)interesting read of EGfleet's hard landiing notes, and looking closely at his latest sig. of Princess Elizabeth, I think that postcard was actually P. Joan, and the profuse smoke is doctered as is the ensign! I think I used that same image in one of my drawings,years ago! mrdot.
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Post by EGfleet on May 6, 2011 14:06:41 GMT -8
:)interesting read of EGfleet's hard landiing notes, and looking closely at his latest sig. of Princess Elizabeth, I think that postcard was actually P. Joan, and the profuse smoke is doctered as is the ensign! I think I used that same image in one of my drawings,years ago! mrdot. I wouldn't be at all surprised! I have noticed that postcard makers would often sub these boats for one another. The postcard reveals no details--too washed out. My previous signature you could read "PRINCESS JOAN" on the bow. Back to the hard landing...got a kick out of this article...note the ferry used in the photo! www.news1130.com/news/local/article/222393--ferry-hard-landing
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Post by priver on May 6, 2011 15:48:18 GMT -8
so would this be the first time that all the coastals are going to be at the same terminal possibly at once
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on May 6, 2011 16:10:34 GMT -8
so would this be the first time that all the coastals are going to be at the same terminal possibly at once Yes, this will be the first time that all of the Coastal's will be at the same terminal at the same time. This will happen at Tsawwassen tonight between 5:35 - 5:45 PM. Quick, someone get down there and snap a shot from Fred Gingell Park!
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Post by EGfleet on May 11, 2011 7:18:40 GMT -8
B.C. Ferries cites human error in Coastal Celebration slamming into dock Vessel will likely be out for repairs for four to five weeks. By Sandra McCulloch, Victoria Times Colonist May 11, 2011 6:24 AM The hard landing of the B.C. Ferries vessel Coastal Celebration last Thursday was likely a mistake made by someone on the bridge, B.C. Ferries said Tuesday. “Early indications are that human factors did contribute,” said Deborah Marshall, B.C. Ferries spokeswoman. The 160 metre-long vessel, which can carry 370 vehicles, pulled out of the dock at Swartz Bay, then reversed and hit the dock hard. B.C. Ferries maintains Coastal Celebration had only pulled away by six metres when it reversed, but others said the distance was the length of the ferry or more. The doors of the double-ended vessel were damaged, as was the dock. The ship was expected to be repaired within a week or so but on Tuesday, Marshall said the ship will be out of service for four to five weeks. An investigation into the incident by B.C. Ferries is continuing, Marshall said. Coastal Renaissance is replacing the Coastal Celebration on the Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen run. On the long weekend, B.C. Ferries may add another ferry to the Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay route to accommodate holiday travellers. For the current schedules and reservations, go to bcferries.com. The ferries’ website will be off-line from 8 p.m. Wednesday until early Thursday morning. Read more: www.timescolonist.com/Ferries+cites+human+error+Coastal+Celebration+slamming+into+dock/4763846/story.html#ixzz1M3cUX5OD
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Post by Retrovision on May 11, 2011 7:58:00 GMT -8
... B.C. Ferries maintains Coastal Celebration had only pulled away by six metres when it reversed, but others said the distance was the length of the ferry or more. ... Wow, 6 meters for that kind of damage? BC Ferries apparently got a lot more acceleration than they paid for by this claim. But on a serious note, could this be due to the ramp being up, if it was only 6 meters from forward to reverse? Otherwise and given no other reasonable explanaition (angle of the vessel to the berth possibly?), I would find it insulting for them to be taking us for such fools (particularly those witnesses), * if* no other good explanaition can be found / given.
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Post by uricanejack on May 11, 2011 14:33:06 GMT -8
Having absolutely no idea what error was .
Just the question of distance could a Ferry build up enough speed to cause significant damage from 6 meters?
Yes.
First its not necessary for high speed. The question is how much momentum.
I’m sure someone here knows the light weight tones for a costal class I don’t. The deadweight would be the light weight plus ballast, fuel, lube oil, water, stores, passengers, vehicles. And is only estimated. If draft is known can be calculated.
1 knot is 1852m per hour./60 Equals 130.8666r meter per min/60 equals 0.5144444m per second
0.5144 x aprox deadweight will give you an idea of the momentum for 1 knot.
According to Newton momentum before a collision is equal to momentum after a collision.
Vancouver Island isn’t going to move no mater how fast the ferry goes..
That momentum has to be reduced to zero.
Under normal circumstances the dock pads and shock absorbers can absorb all the force required reduce the ships momentum to zero..
If the force required exceeded this you will get extensive damage in the dock and ship structure the force required to damage will cushion the blow so minor damage no injuries.
If the ship had lost power on the inshore end and accelerated for a ship length. Momentum would have been enormous and serious damage and injury would probably have occurred.
The estimation of distance when a ship is close to a dock is very difficult what one person may call 10 meters another may cal 15 and another 5.
In any event the shock absorbers and dock appear to have been well designed done as intended and absorbed the force ensuring no injuries. Ships and dock are easier to fix than people.
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Post by lmtengs on May 11, 2011 14:47:42 GMT -8
BC Ferries has security cameras at Swartz Bay looking down on each berth. These should effectively be able to tell BCF how far the ship was from the berth prior to it's reversal into it.
It's foolproof, unless their security cams weren't turned on.
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Post by FNS on May 11, 2011 14:55:21 GMT -8
BC Ferries has security cameras at Swartz Bay looking down on each berth. These should effectively be able to tell BCF how far the ship was from the berth prior to it's reversal into it. It's foolproof, unless their security cams weren't turned on. Good observation! This all depends on how long they keep the videos in their files and when they would reuse them.
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Post by glasseye on May 11, 2011 16:45:14 GMT -8
Has anyone heard if the TSB is investigating?
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