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Post by Curtis on Oct 14, 2009 21:15:13 GMT -8
Could we add Airlines and other modes of Transport into that Board while were at it?
and to answer Mr. Tengs' request. The Flagship Board is a Moderator-controlled sub-board. (i.e. regular members can't make topics) Since it only has one use, there is only one active thread at a time, and at the end of the month the thread is locked and a new thread is made. (all by a forum moderator) It is appropriately placed in the Forum Information board.
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 15, 2009 8:50:30 GMT -8
Could we add Airlines and other modes of Transport into that Board while were at it... Let's see... we have boards for trains, we have boards for cruise ship and airline photos, and transit fanning, and why the sky is blue. That should be more than enough. Beside that, how many forums are out there on the internet that are dedicated to each of those things? If you can't find the threads here, join one of those dedicated forums and start your march to the top for that coveted title of king of posts.
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Post by Mike C on Oct 15, 2009 9:34:53 GMT -8
Good work on the re-org. Though it's going to take a bit of getting used to (I've been able to navigate it with my eyes closed for the past 3 years), it makes sense and is easier to look at. It also gives the stray viewer a more comprehenisve look at the vast expanse of ideas and information we have here. Nicely done guys. Let's see... we have boards for trains, we have boards for cruise ship and airline photos, and transit fanning, and why the sky is blue. That should be more than enough. Beside that, how many forums are out there on the internet that are dedicated to each of those things? If you can't find the threads here, join one of those dedicated forums and start your march to the top for that coveted title of king of posts. Yes, I agree. This is West Coast FERRIES, and it's not hard to find other forums on the internet dedicated to such things. For example, I'm a member of the CPTDB, a public transit discussion forum. I make brief posts with small, key points in the Transit Fanning thread on this forum, however I make (and read) far more detailed information there.
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 16, 2009 7:51:45 GMT -8
I really enjoy the reorganization that I've come back to after being away for so long, oddly enough having taken place just before my return but with no connection to my motivation to do so.
Also, I've got to agree with Mill Bay and NewFlyer's comments on the scope of this forum. They summed it up nicely.
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Post by Neil on Oct 16, 2009 9:15:37 GMT -8
Shows how observant I am: I hadn't noticed any changes until I read about it here.
One small criticism- and it's a mild one: the priority given to retired BC Ferries boats in the historical area. This means that, once it's no longer the most recent post noted on the front page, a post about anything else 'historical' sort of disappears well down the list. Queen of Victoria doesn't even exist anymore, and hasn't been posted about since early July. The 'Sidney isn't up to much as she sits rotting away on the Fraser. Maybe some of these boats should be left to find their own natural level in the conversation.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Oct 16, 2009 10:09:18 GMT -8
I don't notice the reorganization much because I almost exclusively just look at the last 80 posts until something doesn't make sense. Then I go back to the whole post. So my opinion is mostly irrelevant. I guess when I start a thread or look for something it will make more sense to me.
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Post by northwesterner on Oct 16, 2009 13:49:40 GMT -8
Good work on the re-org. Though it's going to take a bit of getting used to (I've been able to navigate it with my eyes closed for the past 3 years), it makes sense and is easier to look at. It also gives the stray viewer a more comprehenisve look at the vast expanse of ideas and information we have here. Nicely done guys. I agree. I like the re-org, though I was pretty shocked to log on, scroll down, and not find the forum I was looking for. Sometimes old habits die hard.
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Post by hullnumbers on Oct 16, 2009 22:36:31 GMT -8
I think it's ok, but i think that the New ships should stay because we are still rebuilding our fleet and it needs to be up front a bite longer. The washington and alaskan should be a sub board on the abroad page since its ferries out of BC.
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Post by Nick on Oct 16, 2009 22:46:50 GMT -8
I think it's ok, but i think that the New ships should stay because we are still rebuilding our fleet and it needs to be up front a bite longer. The washington and alaskan should be a sub board on the abroad page since its ferries out of BC. Contrary to what it might seem, this forum attempts to cater to more than just discussion about BC Ferries. Personally, I'm hoping having the WSF and AMHS discussion central under a general "Ferries discussion" category will promote more involvement in discussion about those systems. As far as the new construction is concerned, BCF has pretty much said they are done with new ships. The only one on the horizon still is the fabled Northern Discovery, which is most likely still some time away.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 17, 2009 8:03:02 GMT -8
I think it's ok, but i think that the New ships should stay because we are still rebuilding our fleet and it needs to be up front a bite longer. The New Ferries board still exists. It's now located in the BC Ferries General Discussion page as a subcategory, above the discussion topics on that page.
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Post by hullnumbers on Oct 21, 2009 15:47:38 GMT -8
I'm lost but i was in Victoria and was reminded about the original ferry terminal for the Coho. Where can I find some photos and who put an updated version on the WCF. I remember someone here put some photos on. Where is this
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 12, 2009 20:40:51 GMT -8
I have a request to make to the mod squad:
Would it be possible to move the photographic tributes to our retired & fallen queens? (QPR, QotN, the V's, etc.)
These are currently fading into the back pages of the photography section. I believe that these would be better placed into the "In Their Wake" section. I invite the opinion of others.
JST aka WCK aka 'Ghost Coast'
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 13, 2009 12:20:31 GMT -8
Would it be possible to move the photographic tributes to our retired & fallen queens? (QPR, QotN, the V's, etc.) These are currently fading into the back pages of the photography section. I believe that these would be better placed into the "In Their Wake" section. I invite the opinion of others. I wanted to be sure we are being somewhat consistent, and so I checked to see where the general "Historical ferry photo" thread is, and it's on the photos page, not the "in their wake" page. So on that basis, I'm thinking it makes sense to leave the photo threads on the photo page. ps: I have bumped the various tribute photo threads, so they are now on page-1 of the photo section.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 13, 2009 21:08:54 GMT -8
The problem, Mr. Fluge, is that people are now posting photos, videos, etc. on the threads on the 'In their Wake' section, rather than in the photo section. To me, it makes sense to have them together. On the other hand you have fixed the tribute threads to page 1 of the historical photos thread and that helps.
I would like to here what others think.
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Post by Neil on Nov 13, 2009 23:30:54 GMT -8
My vote would be to have all the information, photos, reminiscences- whatever- in one place, as much as possible. I think of a vessel like the Maggie, and there's probably stuff all over the place. This forum is a treasure trove of material on retired ferries, but it's not always easily accessible.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 13, 2009 23:35:17 GMT -8
My vote would be to have all the information, photos, reminiscences- whatever- in one place, as much as possible. I think of a vessel like the Maggie, and there's probably stuff all over the place. This forum is a treasure trove of material on retired ferries, but it's not always easily accessible. I tend to agree.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 14, 2009 8:44:41 GMT -8
The issue is that we've currently defined the photos-page as being only for "BC Ferries", ie the service called BC Ferries.
For the old CP Steamships or Union Steamships, usually a post on one of those ships also involves a photo. So I think that for those old non-BCF ships, their photos should stay with their stories, in the "in their wake" section.
No matter where the threads may be, I support the idea of having separate threads for each major ship. The over-stuffed suitcase is getting too inefficient for finding stuff.
See my new announcement locked-thread for an outline of where each type of photo should be posted.
Of course, there are other ways that we could do this, but this is the format that we've chosen, and so I've taken the time (in that announcement post) to explain it.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 14, 2009 11:54:03 GMT -8
Thanks for clarifying with your announcement, Mr. Horn. No matter one's opinion, it's useful - especially for someone like me who's been away for so long and not only needs a refresher on what I knew but is looking to learn what changes in procedure that I've missed - to have where to post what clearly defined when it comes to photographs.
Would it be best if I modified my previous postings with photos and videos in the inappropriate thread such as youtube clips that I've posted of the Queen of Prince Rupert under the 'in their wake' section and move them to the appropriate thread, or should I simply follow these clearly defined parameters from now on? I'd be happy to oblige, of course, if requested, and even already plan to, for one, move my images posted on the tracking page for departing PacCats to the photo page created for that purpose regardless.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 14, 2009 12:13:50 GMT -8
Would it be best if I modified my previous postings with photos and videos in the inappropriate thread such as youtube clips that I've posted of the Queen of Prince Rupert under the 'in their wake' section and move them to the appropriate thread, or should I simply follow these clearly defined parameters from now on? I'd be happy to oblige, of course, if requested, and even already plan to, for one, move my images posted on the tracking page for departing PacCats to the photo page created for that purpose regardless. I think that if people have the time and desire to move some of their already-posted-photos into new specific threads, then they should do that. But not everyone will have the time, and so it's not fair to ask everyone to move posts around. And some post-moving might not be as simple as it sounds (ie. if there are comments from others that go with that photo). So I think that some posts might get moved, and others might stay put. As for me, I plan to look through some of my photos and move some of my posts. (modify post, cut, paste). So, lets use judgment in deciding which is best to do. And of course try to stay with defined threads on a go-forward basis. Cheers!
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 14, 2009 23:57:48 GMT -8
Thanks Fluge for all your work in rearranging the historical stuff. It is very much appreciated. I will be doing some work updating links, & putting up a few photos here and there that do not already exist in the photo threads for each retiree.
Thanks again!
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 15, 2009 9:21:20 GMT -8
This forum is a treasure trove of material on retired ferries, but it's not always easily accessible. That's why there's a wiki If you want REALLY easy to access stuff, just create the article for it there. I think the forum is a great place for discussion, and that's what it's designed for. A wiki is designed for handling information so it's easier to access. The wiki isn't too useful yet, but if everyone makes JUST ONE article for a ship or something related to ferries, that'd make it much more useful. And NO, it's NOT meant to replace the forum. the discussion board on the wiki really is a bit lame, and I don't want to pick a fight the mods (Sorry if that sounds too much like an advertisement )
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 15, 2009 18:27:53 GMT -8
In "Photos: guidelines on 'Where' to post" Flugel Horn said: Thank you, Mr. Horn, for your tireless and diligent work on this matter. We all know how finicky and frustrating such work can be, and I'm sure that I speak for all of us when I express my appreciation.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 15, 2009 21:20:28 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Nov 15, 2009 22:16:00 GMT -8
That's why there's a wiki If you want REALLY easy to access stuff, just create the article for it there. I think the forum is a great place for discussion, and that's what it's designed for. A wiki is designed for handling information so it's easier to access. The wiki isn't too useful yet, but if everyone makes JUST ONE article for a ship or something related to ferries, that'd make it much more useful. And NO, it's NOT meant to replace the forum. the discussion board on the wiki really is a bit lame, and I don't want to pick a fight the mods (Sorry if that sounds too much like an advertisement ) Wiki: Another name for "Joe's Do-it-yourself-Encyclopedia". No credentials required. If I submit an entry on Philip Spaulding and say that he designed golf clubs when he wasn't doing ferries, will the editors catch the fib? There are lots of legitimate sources of information on ferries, where I can be reasonably certain of the sources. I guess I just haven't yet become a disciple of the Church of Instant Information.
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Post by Neil on Nov 15, 2009 22:50:46 GMT -8
One question, pertaining to Mr Horn's excellent work in properly archiving all the photos.
Since threads on this forum now seem to have a shelf life of a couple of years before they're shuffled off to the vault, does that mean all these newly created dedicated threads will be locked also, even for the departed vessels? That would be a real shame, because, historical photography and information is always current. It would be nice if somehow they could be open forever, since you never know when someone is going to pop up who worked on the Princess of Vancouver in the '60s, or whatever. Informative posts or photos from five years previous don't lose value when they're for a retired boat, and better to have them all in one place.
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