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Post by Neil on Nov 9, 2012 22:43:14 GMT -8
Yes, AC, you're definitely headed in the right direction. People take someone's posts more seriously if the poster has obviously made an effort to get it right. Perfection isn't necessary.
I never trust myself to get things right the first time. I always read things over before I click.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 22:25:23 GMT -8
Why some of my post do not make sense or my spelling is wrong? Is because I have a mental disorder. I'm going to just leave at that. Do not think, I'm different.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 5, 2012 8:10:06 GMT -8
Why some of my post do not make sense or my spelling is wrong? Is because I have a mental disorder. I'm going to just leave at that. Do not think, I'm different.I'll try to say this as nicely as I can: If you have an issue or condition that impacts your ability to post here, then you should elaborate more, so that people can understand what the challenge is, so that they can be as helpful and accomodating to you as reasonably possible. Your post here is pretty vague, but it has got my attention. But I've got more questions than answers. So I can't make any other suggestions, because I'd just be guessing about what the issue is and what any possible helps could be. So I can only continue to mention that general moderator response pattern here will continue, in roughly the following sequence: - New posting problems will be explained via a Personal Message - Repeated posting problems will be deleted and sent to poster by PM. - Continual repeated posting problems will just be deleted. - And when things get "too continually repeated", posting privileges will be restricted. ------------------ On a slightly different topic: I am still waiting for the day when we get a new member here who will post something like: I know that this type of introduction would get huge positive results; with everyone doing their best to make that person feel welcome and to help that person out with their request. I'd love to see the day come when new members who might have some issues would be clear and forthcoming in their introductions, in order to let everyone interact with them productively from the start, and not to waste time on misunderstandings. Maybe some day.... 6 months and 500 posts is too long to leave issues that cause everyone frustration.
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Post by Mike C on Dec 5, 2012 12:23:41 GMT -8
On a slightly different topic: I am still waiting for the day when we get a new member here who will post something like: I know that this type of introduction would get huge positive results; with everyone doing their best to make that person feel welcome and to help that person out with their request. I'd love to see the day come when new members who might have some issues would be clear and forthcoming in their introductions, in order to let everyone interact with them productively from the start, and not to waste time on misunderstandings. Maybe some day.... 6 months and 500 posts is too long to leave issues that cause everyone frustration. I think you might be waiting a while before this kind of introduction is used. There is a lot of self-consciousness that surrounds these types of things, and I personally don't really think it's realistic to expect that kind of introduction from someone right off the bat. I do not doubt the fact that it would be useful information to have, as that would give everyone a general 'heads-up' and maybe add some patience. My point is that cyber bullying is a huge part of the online world, especially in places where people can communicate with one another. With this type of introduction, they may feel that they are opening themselves up to criticism based on something that is beyond their control. All of this being said, it might be a good idea, after a period of time, to send the moderators a personal-message about these types of things, especially if they find that they are having troubles communicating and/or require consistent correction from the staff. But I don't think it's material that people would feel comfortable with displaying in a public space. -------- A C - scroll up to the top of this page to see some of the positive feedback we have given you when you improve your posting style. People have different opinions as to when they feel bullying has occurred, I personally don't think it has, but that is your judgement to make. But you should know that we do not intend to hurt your feelings, or make you feel unwanted, we simply want your content to be coherent and to show you how easy it is to take a few extra minutes out of your day to ensure that your content is optimal. I can understand that certain challenges may make it harder for you to properly get your thoughts across in a medium such as this. But I hope that, for your sake, you hear us out, and do your best to understand where we are coming from. Thanks.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 5, 2012 17:43:10 GMT -8
think you might be waiting a while before this kind of introduction is used. There is a lot of self-consciousness that surrounds these types of things, and I personally don't really think it's realistic to expect that kind of introduction from someone right off the bat. I agree that my scenario is unrealistic. But still, in a perfect world, we'd hope that people would be more comfortable to explain their challenges in order to allow their colleagues (be it at work, school or on an internet-forum) to be more accommodating and understanding. Allow me to do a bit more musing on this overall issue, as it relates to situations in the workplace, at school or in any social situation (such as here on an internet forum). I find these kinds of organizational-behaviour situations fascinating, which is why I'm spending so much time rambling on here. - So I'm not necessarily speaking to this recent issue on our forum. I'm just talking in general, and this is very applicable to a workplace scenario. When someone has a personal issue that will negatively impact the rest of the group, that person has some choices. - The person can stay silent. But then if their situation impacts the group, then you'd expect the group to wonder what's going on and to likely make some incorrect conclusions on that person's behaviour or performance. This results in resentment, disruption, and a waste of time for the people involved. - The person can explain their situation. Then if the situation impacts the group, you'd expect the group to understand and to not get sidetracked by the issue. They can find a way to manage the situation. To "come out" and explain your personal-issues will require that person to have awareness, courage and a desire for a productive experience for all. - Some of those people will lack the awareness of why their issue would cause other issues in their community. Usually that lack of awareness is part of the person's challenge (which is why that person is not aware of it). - Some fear the possible consequences of opening up and sharing something personal. In many situations, this is justified, because of people who would take advantage of that situation. - Some just don't care. They don't care that their issue is impacting other people, and they don't care that they could help the situation by just communicating the issue so that others can be more helpful and accommodating to them. I'm thinking that a lack of awareness is usually the problem that the person has in dealing with his/her challenge. ....and of course all of this is really just relevant to situations that become a ridiculous waste of people's time, as opposed to a small trivial situation. For others who are interested in this topic, please join the discussion and let me and others know what you think. --------------------- I'll give another utopian example:
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Post by SolDuc on Dec 5, 2012 19:06:40 GMT -8
I will not do a extra long post on this but I will though explain my thoughts. As a teen and a non-native speaker of English I have had some recent examples on the topic. I frequently make errors and I try to learn for them as much as possible, which obviously makes me progress from day to day. Even with that, I am really annoyed from advice that I already got (not that I got some here, just saying) and tend not to like people that are repetitive on advice. When someone has a personal issue that will negatively impact the rest of the group, that person has some choices. - The person can stay silent. But then if their situation impacts the group, then you'd expect the group to wonder what's going on and to likely make some incorrect conclusions on that person's behaviour or performance. This results in resentment, disruption, and a waste of time for the people involved. - The person can explain their situation. Then if the situation impacts the group, you'd expect the group to understand and to not get sidetracked by the issue. They can find a way to manage the situation. I personally agree with both examples but I will say though that staying silent is not a solution on an internet forum is not a solution because if you're here, it's to talk, not just to view the forum ad-free. The second opt. seems the best, and after all all resumes to one word: respect. I find that everybody here is respectful but that some people try to help others and the other doesn't like being helped or does not see it as help. The CR photo is a good example for that, as Flugel Horn was trying to help A/C but A/C took it as something else. A good way to avoid this would be to PM the original poster (A/C in this case)before reposting to ask if its ok to post the remix of the photo or if he [A/C] prefers to do it himself.
PS: We should move this into another thread with a title like "Advice to new members".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 19:16:54 GMT -8
I find that everybody here is respectful but that some people try to help others and the other doesn't like being helped or does not see it as help. The CR photo is a good example for that, as Flugel Horn was trying to help A/C but A/C took it as something else. A good way to avoid this would be to PM the original poster (A/C in this case)before reposting to ask if its ok to post the remix of the photo or if he [A/C] prefers to do it himself. Yeah I agree with brasegaliwa about PM. Because I like people who tell what to do better, I do it myself and I learn from that.
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Post by Neil on Dec 5, 2012 19:24:56 GMT -8
I think there is a danger that the term 'bullying' may be becoming the flavor of the week, in terms of social awareness. So many people have become aware of the dangers of true bullying, and the sometimes fatal consequences, that people who are perhaps resentful of criticism or advice may retreat to a defense of, 'you're bullying me'.
There has been nothing said here recently, by any moderator, that reflects anything other than the ground rules and expectations that pretty much all forum members are in agreement and sympathy with.
Advice, criticism, and encouragement have been given regarding one member's input, and in reply there was no mention of any mitigating circumstances that we should have been aware of, until now. Make of that what you will after, I suppose, giving the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 6, 2012 7:24:07 GMT -8
The CR photo is a good example for that, as Flugel Horn was trying to help A/C but A/C took it as something else. A good way to avoid this would be to PM the original poster (A/C in this case)before reposting to ask if its ok to post the remix of the photo or if he [A/C] prefers to do it himself. Things get more complicated when there's a pattern of continual problems, that have been PM'd about before (more than a few times), along with many other-member comments in the threads. Then, when yet another post-problem happens (a problem that has come up again and again and again and which has been discussed many times before and PMd a few times too), it's really hard to patiently start from square-one again. It's that continual issue thing that makes things frustrating. One-off issues are much easier to deal with in a patient & teaching way. Continual issues waste our time and therefore get treated in a more expedited way. ------------------- For the sake of perspective, I'll say again that my above scenario is pretty rare on our forum. But when it happens (and it obviously is happening currently), we have to realize that it's different than issues with most other members, and so the response ends up being different. The continual, same issue over and over again in large quantities, pattern is what changes the response. - With most other members, you just need to explain the problem once, and then that person uses their awareness and good judgment in future. The problems come when someone lacks either awareness, or good judgment or self-control (or a combination of them, ugggg) and likes to do large amounts of posts. - That's the perfect-storm of the Internet forum... ;D ------------------------
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 19:22:59 GMT -8
I'm better at correcting my spelling, than making my sentence structure easy to read. I re-read my posts most of the time not in less if I have to go somewhere or do something else. When I re-read my post they make sense to me. Are other members understanding my recent posts?
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Post by Mirrlees on Dec 6, 2012 19:48:07 GMT -8
I'm better at correcting my spelling, than making my sentence structure easy to read. I re-read my posts most of the time not in less if I have to go somewhere or do something else. When I re-read my post they make sense to me. Are other members understanding my recent posts? Maybe you shouldn't post unless you can devote the time to re-read your post. Otherwise, I have been understanding your posts that you have made over the last 2 days. Your posts in the last week before however, have been a real "Dog's Breakfast." IMHO. Please do keep up with editing your posts, we've seen the positive results it makes in the post quality and we know you're capable of it.
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Post by Neil on Dec 6, 2012 20:48:16 GMT -8
I'm better at correcting my spelling, than making my sentence structure easy to read. I re-read my posts most of the time not in less if I have to go somewhere or do something else. When I re-read my post they make sense to me. Are other members understanding my recent posts? That's pretty much the only reason why my posts are usually fairly correct: I have nowhere to go, and nothing else to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 21:37:17 GMT -8
I'm sorry for people who do not understand my posts. Are other members understanding my posts?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 21:55:23 GMT -8
I'm sorry for people who do not understand my posts. Are other members understanding my posts? I've been understanding your recent posts. Keep up the good work!
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Post by SolDuc on Jan 28, 2013 22:23:34 GMT -8
I'm sorry for people who do not understand my posts. Are other members understanding my posts? I've been understanding your recent posts. Keep up the good work! Same here. As I told you, you're on highway 1 in North Van not that far from HSB and the Ferries (aka no complaints at all)!
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Post by compdude787 on Feb 6, 2013 17:22:50 GMT -8
Hi I'm Compdude787
I've lived in Seattle all my life and have ridden ferries quite a bit. The route I've ridden most is the Edmonds-Kingston ferry, and I enjoy riding ferries. I also like maps, and am extremely knowledgeable about geography. I also like airplanes; my favorite is the 787, hence the "787" in my username. I want to design airplanes at Boeing when I get older.
I know that some of my posts were kind of offensive and disrespectful, and I'm sorry for offending some of you. I know this is kind of personal, but I just want to tell you that I do have a mild form of Autism, and that makes it harder for me to consider if some of the things I say would be unkind or offensive, even if I read it over before posting. Please know that I don't mean it that way, and sometimes I'm being silly without considering if someone would take offense at it, thus my "weird Canadians" post. Since (edit: When) a post doesn't seem like it would be offensive or mean to me, I then get confused as to why people are offended. If you just say "that was offensive" without any further explanation, I'll fail to understand why and then I'll just get mad at you because I had no idea what I did wrong. That's why I appreciate when you clearly explain how my comment was offensive so I can apologize and avoid repeating the same mistake in the future, so I thank Flugel for doing that. I will try my best to not be offensive or to appear stupid in my posts here in the future. At least when I make mistakes like this, the memory of the mistake sticks with me so I don't make it again. I'm not using my autism to justify what I did but I am letting you know that it makes it much harder for me to communicate effectively.
This all stems from the fact that Autism makes it so that social norms do not come naturally to me, which is super annoying. I have to work extra hard to think about stuff like facial expressions and tone of voice that come natural to the rest of you. Furthermore, it's harder to get my point across when I'm speaking, and it just takes longer to say something. And plus I take things literally, so I have trouble discerning whether someone's joking or being sarcastic or not. I'm better at making jokes and being sarcastic than I am at identifying jokes and sarcasm. Though I'm not as affected by autism as I once was, it's still with me to a lesser degree. Autism can affect some people more severely than others, making it difficult to define. I'm just describing how it affects me personally.
Usually I just get off to a rough start when I'm new to a particular online community and then I improve my conduct.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 6, 2013 17:30:08 GMT -8
Hey, a big welcome to you. Thanks for explaining about yourself; that is very much appreciated around here.
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Post by compdude787 on Feb 6, 2013 17:41:39 GMT -8
Also a little more about myself:
Autism doesn't suck completely. I can remember geographic locations really well and am good at memorizing stuff (like phone numbers and email addresses), which has made it easier for me to learn Spanish. I know lots of stuff about airplanes, maps, and ferries. I'm also good at identifying certain field marks on an airplane or ferry that allow me to easily tell them apart w/o looking at the nameplate. All these things I have learned myself. I also am good at spelling things but not as good at pronouncing things. Also I'm extremely trustworthy and can't tell a lie because you'd know it. Anyhow, it's a blessing and a curse.
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Post by Mike C on Feb 6, 2013 17:52:42 GMT -8
Also a little more about myself: Autism doesn't suck completely. I can remember geographic locations really well and am good at memorizing stuff (like phone numbers and email addresses), which has made it easier for me to learn Spanish. I know lots of stuff about airplanes, maps, and ferries. I'm also good at identifying certain field marks on an airplane or ferry that allow me to easily tell them apart w/o looking at the nameplate. This is excellent. These kinds of skills are fantastic for a hobby like ours.
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Post by compdude787 on Feb 6, 2013 18:01:04 GMT -8
Indeed they are. I also like taking photos of things like airplanes and ferries, and I'd take more photos of ferries if I had more time. I got a better camera for Christmas, which has 35x zoom, perfect for photographing airplanes and ferries, which can often be far away.
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Post by SolDuc on Feb 6, 2013 18:14:15 GMT -8
Welcome here, compdude and glad to hear more about you. I myself am a big time map fan and cartographer. I can search for hours any name if I need it (Restoration Point on Bainbridge was one of them), read about geography for hours and if you left me alone in a room with a map you'd probably not see me again after a few days... And my maps... just read about them here!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 6, 2013 18:34:14 GMT -8
Indeed they are. I also like taking photos of things like airplanes and ferries, and I'd take more photos of ferries if I had more time. I got a better camera for Christmas, which has 35x zoom, perfect for photographing airplanes and ferries, which can often be far away. One more item, CompDude787: - If we ever communicate here in a way that's tough for you to follow, please do not hesitate to let us know. And don't be shy about asking for clarification for something that you're not sure if it is intended to be serious or satire.
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Post by Neil on Feb 6, 2013 19:25:32 GMT -8
Compdude, that was a pretty worthwhile introduction... props to you for your self awareness, and for not getting your back up when someone challenged you on your posting style. When people are dealing with mental health issues or personality quirks outside of the 'norm', knowing one's own strengths and weaknesses can be a challenge... you certainly seem to be up to it, and believe me, I know of what I speak. Welcome to you, here.
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Post by Mayne on Feb 6, 2013 20:15:16 GMT -8
Welcome to the forum Compdude. Most I my thoughts and feeling have already been spoken by others all ready, so I will leave it with a good old welcome and I look forward to your thoughts and opinions
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Post by compdude787 on Feb 6, 2013 21:35:40 GMT -8
Thanks everyone for welcoming me!! PS: Mayne I like your dog profile pic. I have a dog too; her name is Mocha and she's a chocolate lab!
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