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Post by coastalrenaissance on Jun 6, 2008 15:38:45 GMT -8
holey crabapple!!! I was shocked and horrified to see gas went up big time in the last 24 hours. Yesturday When I got off the bus at 7pm the Gas price was 131.9 Now the same station is 141.9 This is in Parksville. Brace yourselves!
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 6, 2008 16:21:06 GMT -8
Yeah and the oil prices spiked 10 dollars a barrel. Blame India and China!
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Post by Canucks on Jun 6, 2008 16:28:33 GMT -8
Gas prices are going to get even higher with the Carbon tax too.
Fun Fact: BCgasprices.com are reporting that Saltspring Island has the highest gas prices in Canada coming in at a whopping 152.9. OUCH!!!
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Post by Nick on Jun 6, 2008 17:01:00 GMT -8
Wow, that hurts. Unfortunately, it is a commodity that everybody needs, and until the collective governments get off their ___es and realize that there are viable alternatives out there, it is going to be a reality for some time to come.
On a more personal griping note: I filled up my tank yesterday at $1.369, just before the price jumped, and I put over $100 in. When I bought the car 3 years ago that cost me under $60.
Unfortunately, until alternative forms of transit becomes a viable alternative for people to get to work/school/shopping, (and I mean for people outside metro Vancouver) the oil companies have got us by the horns.
So, regular fuel here in Victoria is $1.399. Diesel fuel is about $1.449.
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 6, 2008 17:19:24 GMT -8
If gas prices had gone up at the same rate as inflation has since the 1950's we would be paying close to $4/litre. We should realize that the days of $0.26/litre gas prices are behind us.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 6, 2008 17:19:40 GMT -8
Gas is $1.28 here tonight. The line ups were long though so I wonder if word is out it is going up tonight. Usually the price goes up before the weekend here and then down again on Monday. Just in time to ding the cottage goers who head out of town every weekend.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 6, 2008 17:37:12 GMT -8
I remember 10 years ago when I first started driving the summer of 98 the price of gas was 49.9 here in Victoria, 10 years later it is almost at 149.9 rediculas.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 6, 2008 19:52:22 GMT -8
I filled up my Diesel VW Jetta at $1.47/L in North Van. Man I'm glad I take transit to get around...
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Post by Neil on Jun 6, 2008 22:09:42 GMT -8
I remember 10 years ago when I first started driving the summer of 98 the price of gas was 49.9 here in Victoria, 10 years later it is almost at 149.9 rediculas. Well... it's not 'rediculas' if you're a crude oil producer, or an oil company exec, or one of the legion of parasites who get rich off manipulating international commodity prices. It's wonderfully profitable, and safe as houses, since the public has been conned into thinking that oil prices are kind of like the weather, or, at worst, the fault of government taxation. Too bad that Ralph Nader has no chance of getting more than one or two percent of the vote in the U.S., that is, of course, if he can counter Democratic efforts to keep him off the ballot in as many states as possible. If Barack Obama and his syrupy slogans about 'the audacity of hope' are the worst nightmare the oil industry has to deal with, they'll be happy campers indeed, and we'll continue to be bled dry by Big Oil. Dummies like me in particular, with my Hummer-like '78 Impala.
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 7, 2008 0:47:13 GMT -8
Yup, we're all cringing at the pump. My car takes premium, so that's always fun to add the extra cost on top of the price you see on the side of the road. The cost of premium also went up a penny, making it another 12 cents a litre on top of regular. My car only has about a 50 litre tank, so a tank of fuel has been costing no more than about $65 as of late. When I first bought the car in 2006, I remember my first tank of fuel being $42. I'm not complaining yet, or won't be at least until I'm back to being a full time student again.
I'm just glad I don't pay for the fuel at goes in the the Gas hog I drive for work, which is covered by the company I work for. $150 worth of regular gas gets me through 1 week worth of driving, or 350km in a Ford E-350 van.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jun 7, 2008 3:00:10 GMT -8
Well... it's not 'rediculas' if you're a crude oil producer, or an oil company exec, or one of the legion of parasites who get rich off manipulating international commodity prices. You have nailed that square on the head...current estimates of speculators' influence on the market range from $40 to $80 a barrel...meaning in a pure supply and demand only economy today's oil prices would ( should) be 1/3 to 2/3 what they are today! This is backed up by world supply and consumption figures, no matter how certain government officials like to argue counter to the facts. Many of the big original consumers, like the US, Canada and Europe have anti-speculating laws in place which are supposed to counter these activities, but, unfortunately, they have loopholes for off-shore firms that still allow for price manipulation. So our banks and investment groups have finagled themselves into the market from offshore, and have found yet another way to dip into the pockets of their customer base! Yeah for the rich people...I think Stewie says it best below...
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 7, 2008 11:16:20 GMT -8
Yup, we're all cringing at the pump. My car takes premium, so that's always fun to add the extra cost on top of the price you see on the side of the road. The cost of premium also went up a penny, making it another 12 cents a litre on top of regular. Talk to a mechanic. Unless you are driving some souped up V8 then you can get away with regular fuel. If I remember correctly from pics and comments you drive a prelude, I know a few people with preludes and they all run them on regular with out any issue.
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Post by Nick on Jun 7, 2008 16:55:55 GMT -8
Actually, it all depends on the compression ratio. In a car with a higher compression ratio, the fuel gets hotter, since it is compressed more before the piston gets to the top of the cylinder and the fuel is ignited by the spark. The hotter temperatures increase the risk of pre-detonation.
The higher level of octane in premium fuel acts as an inhibitor, and raises the flash point of the fuel to prevent pre-detonation, which is when the fuel combusts before the piston is at the top of the cylinder. This is what causes "knocking". Pre-detonation can be very detrimental for an engine, and will cause premature wear. If you plan on throwing the car out after 100,000 km, then sure, throw regular in.
Generally, a compression ratio of 9.5:1 or higher requires either an octane additive added to regular fuel, or premium fuel. A quick google search reveals that the 2001 with the 2.2L in-line 4 (I just picked a year, I have no idea what year Chris' Prelude is) has a compression ratio of 10.0:1, indicating he is probably doing the right thing by using premium fuel.
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Post by Dane on Jun 7, 2008 17:05:07 GMT -8
Yeah and the oil prices spiked 10 dollars a barrel. Blame India and China! Blame speculators... don't blame the third world for trying to enjoy what we have, often using more efficient technology (wrt cars in both India and China). Watching a little too much Fox News down there?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 7, 2008 17:17:24 GMT -8
I dont watch Fox News at all. The only time I watch their smut is to get a laugh out of Bill. In fact, I was reading up on BBC that media hype is the only thing powering the price jump.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 7, 2008 17:24:34 GMT -8
Yup the car line-ups last night were the clue. Gas went up to $1.34 at midnight here.
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 7, 2008 17:27:12 GMT -8
Yeah and the oil prices spiked 10 dollars a barrel. Blame India and China! Blame speculators... don't blame the third world for trying to enjoy what we have, often using more efficient technology (wrt cars in both India and China). Watching a little too much Fox News down there? The first quote here could almost be taken***ok I have gotten rid of what the rest of this statement read. if you would like to know what it read then feel free to pm me*** Now with the 2nd quote. China and India are developing nations that are purchasing some of the same resources that the rest of the world have had for many many years. The demand has gone up for these resources but the supply has not followed.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 7, 2008 17:36:48 GMT -8
Someone woke up with their brain set to "be a troll" this morning.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 7, 2008 17:44:31 GMT -8
*Sigh*. You seem to be going well out of your way to jab and dig at people at every opportunity. Why don't you give it a rest and return to discussing properly rather than begging for trouble. Markus if you read this what are the gas prices these days in Germany?
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 7, 2008 18:52:40 GMT -8
Hardy - a bit of a stupid question for you. I actually wasn't aware there were two grades of Diesel available. I knew that diesel was burning cleaner and was more refined recently. I wasn't aware both were available though. Is there a reason other than economics why someone would need to use the cheaper version?
A friend recently bought the GL series of Mercedes 4 x 4. He has the diesel engine. He gets much better mileage than the BMW SUV he had previously. He needed the larger vehicle for business purposes. And since he no longer has to use Premium gas the diesel is a savings for him. He mentioned though he needed to use the more expensive diesel. He is not very mechanically minded so can't attest to his comments. I know the Bluetech versions of diesels inject urea that result in much lower emissions. Audi is bringing first a diesel version and then a Bluetech version in January.
My other question for you is are any commercial applications of the Bluetech system? Do you also know if a "bluetech" like conversion on an existing diesel engine is possible? If so, carbon emissions would be much lower.
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 7, 2008 23:47:28 GMT -8
Talk to a mechanic. Unless you are driving some souped up V8 then you can get away with regular fuel. If I remember correctly from pics and comments you drive a prelude, I know a few people with preludes and they all run them on regular with out any issue. Thanks for the tip. Though after doing some research after what Nick has said, I've revealed I'm doing the right thing by getting premium fuel. I do in fact have a 1999, Problematic Prelude, which has a 2.2L inline 4, V-Tec engine. Which means it would have a compression ratio of 10.0:1. I was also warned about this "knocking" issue that would arise, the day I bought the vehicle, if I decided to use regular gas. Of course, after I drove home with the vehicle, I started to notice a strange sound with the engine as it was idling, and was worried that the previous owner hadn't used premium gas, seeming it was nearing 100,000km. Then one day, as I was coming up the hill on the North Shore side of the Second Narrows bridge, this noise grew louder and I started to slow down. Luckily I was able to pull off the highway on to a Lonsdale Gas station where it finally quit on me. That was when the timing belt went out though, which thankfully caused no extensive damage. That was a group trip that was cut short for me that day.
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Post by DENelson83 on Jun 8, 2008 1:04:36 GMT -8
Yep, when it comes to gas prices, all we can do is sit down, shut up and watch them rise, just as Buzz Lightyear says... "To infinity and beyond!"
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jun 8, 2008 3:25:01 GMT -8
Oh, I would disagree with that statement...let's see what we can do to lower gas prices: 1. Reduce your driving...lower demand, lower prices 2. Increase your fuel economy...see above 3. Use alternate transportation...see 1 4. Increase your use of alternate energy sources...anything besides food crop fuels, that is. Those have other negative impacts. Again, lower demand, lower prices. 5. Pass legislation with actual teeth preventing the banks and investment groups from speculating fuel prices. Then the media won't be able to influence the price of oil with p***poor sensationalist news reporting. 6. Shop local...reduce the fuel needed to transport your purchases...lower fuel demand, lower prices...also as a bonus, lower fuel consumption, lower cost of product.
There's six ideas...I'd welcome more!
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Post by kylefossett on Jun 8, 2008 3:31:32 GMT -8
Elite in NJ what is the current price in your region
It is 1.399/litre in Nelson BC saturday afternoon
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jun 8, 2008 7:41:34 GMT -8
During the recent gas shortage where stations ran out of gas here temporarily it seemed that not only the 94 octane but the 91 octane gas were most effected in my area. I filled up three cars with regular that supposedly required premium fuel. One tank with each seemed to have no effect. My parents two cars a BMW 540 with a 4 Litre V8 and Passat V6 each got one tank and seemed to be fine. BMW said one tank shouldn't cause a problem but regular use would be a problem. It is a touchy engine though. It the car sits for a week, the engine rides rough for the first few minutes. So when they are away for a while I try to drive it at least for a short jaunt once a week.
My car an Ifiniti G35, hesitated slightly sometimes on the first tank. On the second tank it began to knock. Since then I have used nothing but 94 Octane. On my last service the mechanic (Not a Nissan/Infiniti mechanic) commented on how clean everything was inside and told me he could tell when someone used the 94 Octane over the 91. I wouldn't know if he was giving me a line or not personally but he seemed to have no reason to do so. I have this particular engine from the Nissan family in 3 cars now and can attest to the fact that this engine has won numerous awards. They keep boring it out larger and adding refinements but it is the same basic engine. So what I save in service, gain in reliability and performance - I get dinged at the pump.
Being a small business owner I am not in the position at the moment to act on it but I am strongly leaning to a Bluetech diesel for my next car.
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