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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -8
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Post by Mayne on Nov 26, 2012 20:17:35 GMT -8
I don't think that I would be putting to much weight in what Ms. Clark announces. I do not expect to see her around this time next year and a new government will probably have there own plans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 19:18:16 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 20:11:36 GMT -8
100%? Nope. Some people use those comment blog strips to complain on just about everything and anything. As for the pedestrian/cycling on the bridge, opens when the Surrey and Coquitlam ends of the east side of the New Port Mann is complete. The old Port Mann bridge on the Surrey end has to be cut off for the alignment for the two dedicated Coquitlam lanes and works to tie the pedestrian and cycling pathways and alignments are needed on the Coquitlam end. The plating and finishing work on the bridge's pedestrian/cycle deck is except for the end sections complete. The South Perimeter Road can be used for legal travel starting tomorrow morning too from 176 and 104 to the approaches from 128 and Scott Road. The Perimeter Road is now designated as Highway 17 as far as it's 176th Street extension to Highway 1 on the north end, and will continue as Highway 17 for its entire length to its end at Deltaport Way where Highway 17 continues to Tsawwassen Ferry. The current route from Deltaport Way north to Ladner and Highway 99 will become a local arterial. Trying coming to downtown in rush hour. Even my mom says it not going traffic, by how they designed it three lanes merging into two then three lanes, then two lanes, five lanes, then four lanes excluding the HOV.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 21:17:07 GMT -8
www.vancouversun.com/videos//video.html?embedCode=14bmE5Nzolr85-3B-RNp3r0pyMHeF36cI disagree with people in the above link saying keep the tunnel and put a new bus. It will not help with traffic. I disagree with port saying remove the tunnel or BC would need to rebuild the Alex Fraser bridge, and upgrade Queensborough bridge and Translink will need to rebuild Pattullo bridge. To handle the traffic that needs to take a different route because the tunnel is gone.
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Post by Cable Cassidy on Dec 1, 2012 23:03:33 GMT -8
Drove the SFPR this morning and I'm not impressed. It's a great drive from 176th all the way to 136th, but then you're pushed onto a very poorly maintained road with a 50km/h limit that turns into a park zone (which has the usual 30km/h limit).
Would have been nicer had they just waited a little longer until the access at 138th/Bridgeview Drive was completed.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 6, 2012 10:41:09 GMT -8
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Dec 6, 2012 12:29:19 GMT -8
We have seen some pretty bad spellings of Kahloke, but KALKA is, without doubt, the worst attempt I have ever seen...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 6, 2012 12:37:01 GMT -8
We have seen some pretty bad spellings of Kahloke, but KALKA is, without doubt, the worst attempt I have ever seen... Or maybe they were attempting " Klatawa" ? - but it sounds like a blend, so I think that we've just found our minor-vessel version of the Queen of Richmond. Who's up for a group trip on the Kalka this weekend ?
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Post by Mike on Dec 6, 2012 20:37:40 GMT -8
Who's up for a group trip on the Kalka this weekend ? I'd like to do a trip on the Kupper and Kiltsa too.
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Post by Mirrlees on Dec 6, 2012 21:04:42 GMT -8
How about a quick trip on the Kwana? ;D
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Post by Curtis on Dec 6, 2012 22:55:29 GMT -8
Don't forget the Tanaka.
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Post by Mike C on Dec 7, 2012 16:10:40 GMT -8
I think ferry fans everywhere have their eyes twitching at the sight of this. Fifteen seconds on Wikipedia could have done a great deal of good here.
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Post by Neil on Dec 19, 2012 21:12:42 GMT -8
So... the first modest dump of snow this year, and the new Port Mann is shut down because of ice falling off the support cables, with numerous cars damaged.
Is this a design flaw that is going to bedevil this vaunted structure every time we have foul weather?
(Cue remarks from certain quarters regarding 'whining and complaining'.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 21:26:19 GMT -8
So... the first modest dump of snow this year, and the new Port Mann is shut down because of ice falling off the support cables, with numerous cars damaged. Is this a design flaw that is going to bedevil this vaunted structure every time we have foul weather? (Cue remarks from certain quarters regarding 'whining and complaining'.) They should have put heated cables on the bridge before it opened.
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Post by Mayne on Dec 19, 2012 21:56:08 GMT -8
So... the first modest dump of snow this year, and the new Port Mann is shut down because of ice falling off the support cables, with numerous cars damaged. Is this a design flaw that is going to bedevil this vaunted structure every time we have foul weather? (Cue remarks from certain quarters regarding 'whining and complaining'.) They should have put heated cables on the bridge before it opened. I find it funny, I drove over the Port Mann, Alex Fraser today, and on both bridges ice where falling from the bridge. I saw several cars pulled over at the bottom of the Alex Fraser bridge and there doesn't seem to be a single report on it. I spend a lot of time driving all over the lower mainland everyday and even out of town, in this kind of weather this stuff falls from over head structures. I am not saying there is not going to be a problem in the future with all the cables going to center pillars (or what ever you want to call them) then there will be more billed up, today was a bit of a fluke when it comes to temperature changes through out the day and this amplified the problem. And who wants to pay to heat all the cables when there is the change of freezing
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Post by Mike C on Dec 19, 2012 22:10:06 GMT -8
The bridge has been open for two months and we've uncovered a pretty serious design flaw. We're fortunate this is not a place where snow is commonplace for 7 months of the year, and it only really occurs for a maximum of 2-3 weeks per year total. That being said, this is Canada, and it's not like snow NEVER happens. Driving is dangerous enough in the snow, I ever thought of the large clumps of ice from the sky...
Checking in with today's commute results: TransLink's SkyTrain: 100% success reporting Port Mann - Highway 1: 100% failure reporting
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Post by Neil on Dec 19, 2012 22:47:30 GMT -8
They should have put heated cables on the bridge before it opened. I find it funny, I drove over the Port Mann, Alex Fraser today, and on both bridges ice where falling from the bridge. I saw several cars pulled over at the bottom of the Alex Fraser bridge and there doesn't seem to be a single report on it. I spend a lot of time driving all over the lower mainland everyday and even out of town, in this kind of weather this stuff falls from over head structures. I am not saying there is not going to be a problem in the future with all the cables going to center pillars (or what ever you want to call them) then there will be more billed up, today was a bit of a fluke when it comes to temperature changes through out the day and this amplified the problem. And who wants to pay to heat all the cables when there is the change of freezing Today was not a fluke: it was moderate winter conditions. I don't recall hearing of the Alex Fraser being shut down in the past due to falling ice damaging vehicles.
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Post by Mayne on Dec 20, 2012 18:29:34 GMT -8
I never stated that the day was a fluke, I stated that the temperature swings through the day were the fluke. This causing the extremely large amounts of ice build up. The cables have a coating on them that should have prevented this build up from happening, but as in some cases what works in theory and in testing some times doesn't work as well as it should in real world conditions.
I would not call it moderate winter conditions, Burnaby, New west, Most of the tri city's and North ish Surrey where what I would call a fairly sever winter storm.
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 20, 2012 20:09:46 GMT -8
To my knowledge the new Port Mann bridge is the first cable-stayed bridge in BC with cables suspended directly above the roadway. Ice falling from the cables on other such bridges is not going to fall onto the roadway.
On average I would think that the problems seen yesterday will occur on a yearly frequency. In bad years icing problems may occur on five or six days resulting in rush hour chaos. Fixing the problem (heat tracing on each cable?) will not be easy or cheep. Perhaps they should keep the old bridge in an operational condition until they have successfully solved the problem.
It appears that the bridge design (with cables suspended above the roadway) was maybe not the best choice for latitude 49o north.
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Post by Neil on Dec 20, 2012 20:50:29 GMT -8
From the news reports I've seen, bridges of this design have a chronic problem with ice falling in in similar climates. Apparently, every possible fix is very expensive, or of marginal success.
In the Vancouver area, our average low temperature for the two coldest monthly periods is right around zero. There will be many weather events like the one recently, and probably, more than one bridge closure a year, especially if they decide to err on the side of safety when conditions look like they might produce falling snow or ice. Great news for everyone who isn't close to the Golden Ears or Pattullo... and I can imagine how choked the latter will get with traffic diverting.
Might have to buy back the Albion ferries and reinstate the ancient New Westminster to Brownsville ferry route in emergencies, for lack of any more intelligent contingency plan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 20:53:01 GMT -8
To my knowledge the new Port Mann bridge is the first cable-stayed bridge in BC with cables suspended directly above the roadway. Ice falling from the cables on other such bridges is not going to fall onto the roadway. On average I would think that the problems seen yesterday will occur on a yearly frequency. In bad years icing problems may occur on five or six days resulting in rush hour chaos. Fixing the problem (heat tracing on each cable?) will not be easy or cheep. Perhaps they should keep the old bridge in an operational condition until they have successfully solved the problem. It appears that the bridge design (with cables suspended above the roadway) was maybe not the best choice for latitude 49 o north. The only thing that they can do is put heat cables. The company who build the bridge should pay for the heated cables update. I do not think the old bridge will be used again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 14:50:13 GMT -8
Ironworkers memorial bridge as seen in Vancouver.
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