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Post by SS San Mateo on May 19, 2014 8:37:23 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Jun 19, 2014 18:53:44 GMT -8
I just realized after trolling through this thread, I have not posted any of my pics of the Steel E's. None of my pics are historic, I'm afraid, but I did get some good ones of their last years of service. Illahee at Orcas - August, 2004 Quinault heading to Port Townsend - May, 2005 Nisqually approaching Keystone Harbor - July, 2007 Nisqually was brought out of "mothball" status and pressed into service both in the San Juans and here on the Port Townsend-Keystone route in 2007, the final year the Steel-E's were in service. Klickitat at Port Townsend - February, 2002 a view out of one of the iconic car deck port holes - May, 2005 Klickitat's car deck - May, 2005 Klickitat approaching Keystone - July, 2007 My last ride on Klickitat shortly before she was decommissioned - October, 2007
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 19, 2014 20:01:13 GMT -8
I just realized after trolling through this thread, I have not posted any of my pics of the Steel E's. None of my pics are historic, I'm afraid, but I did get some good ones of their last years of service. In this picture it is so clear where they added the additional deck space when the hull was sponsoned out. I don't recall it being so obvious on the other three ferries.
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 21, 2014 13:23:07 GMT -8
I just realized after trolling through this thread, I have not posted any of my pics of the Steel E's. None of my pics are historic, I'm afraid, but I did get some good ones of their last years of service. In this picture it is so clear where they added the additional deck space when the hull was sponsoned out. I don't recall it being so obvious on the other three ferries. I take it you're looking in the overhead? That's really the only place it shows. though I do recall that the "hoist mark" was pretty evident in the curtain plating.
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Post by FNS on Jul 3, 2014 20:02:47 GMT -8
Back some time ago, I have been collecting a good amount of photos from a fellow named Mr. Harder. These are of the ferries that have served California and Puget Sound. I feel it's my duty to share these with everyone who contribute to and view this forum devoted to the history and newbuilding of ferries. I won't be posting these all at once. These will be gathered and readied for your viewing in the weeks and months ahead. A few photos are a little bit blurry, but are still worth showing. These photos are mostly of the Steel Electrics.We'll start off primarily with the ILLAHEE.Here we go! ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The LAKE TAHOE, soon to be the ILLAHEE, is seen in drydock. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The LAKE TAHOE underway for the east bay. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The Steel Electrics are seen in the above two photos laid up after the Southern Pacific Golden Gate Ferries Ltd closed out their automobile ferry service on the bay. Beside them are the CITY OF SACRAMENTO and a couple of KLAMATH class steamers. Behind with the tall funnels is the legendary coastal liner HF ALEXANDER. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS Let's take a closer look at these. These are the STOCKTON (KLICKITAT) and LAKE TAHOE (ILLAHEE). ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The FRESNO (WILLAPA). Behind her is the CITY OF SACRAMENTO and HF ALEXANDER. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The LAKE TAHOE and FRESNO. Behind the LAKE TAHOE would likely be the REDWOOD EMPIRE (QUINAULT) due to the size of her facial nameboard and observatory window height which matched the LAKE TAHOE's and are shorter than the rest of the Steel Electrics. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The FRESNO, CITY OF SACRAMENTO, and HF ALEXANDER. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The MENDOCINO (NISQUALLY), SANTA ROSA (ENETAI), and two KLAMATH Class sisters. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The ILLAHEE in the 1940s. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The ILLAHEE as seen from the deck of most likely the CHIPPEWA. Those two freighters were sure tiny! ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The ILLAHEE at Colman Dock in the 1940s. ACQUIRED FROM J HARDER COLLECTION AND OWNED BY FNS The ILLAHEE in the 1940s. More images from this collection will be displayed here in the coming weeks and months.
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Post by mrdot on Jul 3, 2014 20:50:48 GMT -8
:)great newly posted memorabilia of the so called steel electrics! mrdot.
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Post by FNS on Jul 3, 2014 22:34:05 GMT -8
:)great newly posted memorabilia of the so called steel electrics! mrdot. My pleasure! My plan is to display small batches at a time once a week. Day of week hasn't been decided, yet. This will give you a chance to enjoy the presented images for about a week before seeing new images. Next week, we'll take a look at the KLICKITAT from her days on the bay to the 1940s. I'll take care of the early years of the ILLAHEE, KLICKITAT, NISQUALLY, and QUINAULT before going into the 1960s. Have a great July 4th to my colleagues on my side of the line!
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 4, 2014 5:42:45 GMT -8
Speaking of the Steel Electrics, Emory sent this to me last night. Remember how we all wanted proof that the Klickitat made it to Ensenada? There you have it. And as we thought it appears the Klickitat was the first one broken up.
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Post by FNS on Jul 9, 2014 23:38:46 GMT -8
Here's the next batch of photos Mr. Harder sold to and now owned by me.Today, we'll look at the KLICKITAT.The MENDOCINO and STOCKTON are seen here being readied for towing while two "SHASTA" Class ferries "watch". 1940. A closer look at the MENDOCINO and STOCKTON. A Puget Sound tug is ready for action. The tug ACTIVE is seen here pulling the STOCKTON out of the estuary. Engravers would be ready to carve "KLICKITAT" into her nameboards when she arrived on Puget Sound. The tug ACTIVE. A member of the crew gives us a wave. Nearing the exit of the estuary. At the exit. The STOCKTON would pass under the Bay Bridge for the last time and would then pass under the Golden Gate Bridge before hitting the high seas. It would be these bridges that would give this vessel, her sisters, and other workmates temporary unemployment. Fortunately, a long term employment was ahead for most of these up on Puget Sound. A closer look at the STOCKTON as she headed out. Here she is on Puget Sound. The KLICKITAT received a modification to the midship area on the Saloon Deck as well as new paint. These next two photos have been displayed before and would be included in the Harder collection. The main lounge and observatory. This was most likely aboard the KLICKITAT as the stained wood trim under the observatory windows would be thinner than the other Steel Electrics. That dark spot you see was on the photo. The dining room aboard the KLICKITAT or NISQUALLY. I had the pleasure to have sat on one of those stools aboard the QUINAULT on a run to Columbia Beach in 1974. Normally assigned to Vashon Island service, she was subbing that summer day for the RHODODENDRON at Mukilteo. From another photo in Harder's collection, we see the Main Deck of a Steel Electric back in the days predating the widening and lifting. The original large windows provided a lot of light on this deck. That's it for this week's offering. Next week, we'll take a look at the NISQUALLY in her earlier years.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 10, 2014 5:53:47 GMT -8
Here's the next batch of photos Mr. Harder sold to and now owned by me.Today, we'll look at the KLICKITAT.These next two photos have been displayed before and would be included in the Harder collection. The main lounge and observatory. This was most likely aboard the KLICKITAT as the stained wood trim under the observatory windows would be thinner than the other Steel Electrics. That dark spot you see was on the photo. The dining room aboard the KLICKITAT or NISQUALLY. I had the pleasure to have sat on one of those stools aboard the QUINAULT on a run to Columbia Beach in 1974. Normally assigned to Vashon Island service, she was subbing that summer day for the RHODODENDRON at Mukilteo. From another photo in Harder's collection, we see the Main Deck of a Steel Electric back in the days predating the widening and lifting. The original large windows provided a lot of light on this deck. That's it for this week's offering. Next week, we'll take a look at the NISQUALLY in her earlier years.
These last three shots are all Joe Williamson shots in the collection of the Puget Sound Maritime Historical Society, held by the Museum of History and Industry. It's the passenger cabin of the Nisqually,Negative # 2682-4, taken on November 30th, 1947, galley of the Nisqually negative # 2682-3 (and presumably taken at the same time) and the auto deck of the Enetai, also taken in November of 1947. The Nisqually passenger cabin photo and the Enetai car deck photo were reprinted in Steamboat Bill Number 205, Spring 1993. You can get nice glossy reprints of these and any of the other hundreds of Williamson's photos from MOHAI at a fairly reasonable price...but as a warning you can go broke doing it. They used to do slides (which is what I have of the galley and passenger cabin) but sadly they don't produce those anymore and instead only do the 8x10 print...though I think you can get a digital copy for less. I haven't had to do so in a while so you'll have to check the website.
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Post by FNS on Jul 18, 2014 4:02:37 GMT -8
Here's the next batch of photos Mr. Harder sold to and now owned by me.Today, we'll look at the KLICKITAT.These next two photos have been displayed before and would be included in the Harder collection. The main lounge and observatory. This was most likely aboard the KLICKITAT as the stained wood trim under the observatory windows would be thinner than the other Steel Electrics. That dark spot you see was on the photo. That's it for this week's offering. Next week, we'll take a look at the NISQUALLY in her earlier years.
These last three shots are all Joe Williamson shots in the collection of the Puget Sound Maritime Historical Society, held by the Museum of History and Industry. It's the passenger cabin of the Nisqually,Negative # 2682-4, taken on November 30th, 1947, galley of the Nisqually negative # 2682-3 (and presumably taken at the same time) and the auto deck of the Enetai, also taken in November of 1947. The Nisqually passenger cabin photo and the Enetai car deck photo were reprinted in Steamboat Bill Number 205, Spring 1993. You can get nice glossy reprints of these and any of the other hundreds of Williamson's photos from MOHAI at a fairly reasonable price...but as a warning you can go broke doing it. They used to do slides (which is what I have of the galley and passenger cabin) but sadly they don't produce those anymore and instead only do the 8x10 print...though I think you can get a digital copy for less. I haven't had to do so in a while so you'll have to check the website. We begin this week's offering with a small debate on whether that photo was actually taken aboard the NISQUALLY or KLICKITAT.We zoom into the above photo showing the detail of the observatory. We see a thin stained wood trim under the windows and the sill trim. This is a screen shot from the film Most Deadly Passage (on YouTube) showing the KLICKITAT's observatory and the thin stained wood trim under the windows. The window frames and the rest of the trims were covered over with white paint. I've been in that observatory many times on the Columbia Beach run as well as in the San Juans, her home for many years. She was an occasional substitute on the Columbia Beach run in the late 1970s and joined the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY on the Edmonds detour in October of 1980 after the NISQUALLY rammed Mukilteo on a Wednesday morning. That lasted for a short time as Mukilteo was quickly repaired. This photo I took of the NISQUALLY in 1987 shows a thicker stained wood trim. One would think if this was a WSF modification as they would be more interested in painting white paint over stained wood. Fortunately, the stained wood was kept in the wooden observatories of the Steel Electrics until they got their steel cabins. This is another photo I took aboard the NISQUALLY in 1987 showing the thick stained wood trim. The ILLAHEE and QUINAULT had these as well. Therefore, I think the older photo above was taken aboard the KLICKITAT instead of the NISQUALLY. It would be interesting to see old work orders, if kept by WSF these days. *** *** *** *** *** ***Debate aside, here's my offering of early photos of the NISQUALLY acquired by me from Mr. Harder's collection:The NISQUALLY began her career on San Francisco Bay as the MENDOCINO. She's seen here all decked out for, most likely, her inauguration. This photo was shown recently by me from another collection. But, it's worth another look. Seen here at Hyde Street arriving from Marin County under the combined companies label. From another collection, we see passengers enjoying the sun aboard most likely a Steel Electric on San Francisco Bay. If this was in color, the benches would be dark red as well as the exterior window frames and the decks would be buff canvas. Back to the Harder collection, we see the tug NEPTUNE pulling the MENDOCINO out of the estuary under the "watchful" sad "eyes" of the former workmates CAZADERO, EUREKA, and ALAMEDA. We also see a dark former Key ferry in this photo. For the MENDOCINO, a long career awaited for her on Puget Sound. Leaving her workmates behind. I think the CAZADERO was belching some black smoke behind the MENDOCINO. Must be in an effort to get enough boiler pressure to try and salute her former NWP workmate on departure from San Francisco Bay. Lots of box cars are seen in the rail yard as the tow continues down the estuary. The NEPTUNE, the tug that brought this ferry up safely to Puget Sound. One last photo of this ferry on San Francisco Bay. Her amidships shelter would be modified the moment she arrived on Puget Sound. She would never "see" San Francisco Bay again. Here she was on Puget Sound running for the Black Ball Line in the 1940s as the NISQUALLY. She had just received her midships modification as well as revised railings. The science of paint interaction. It appears that Black Ball did a quick paint job on the NISQUALLY and didn't blast away the old paint. Her original name was still showing through the new black paint. Black Ball must have used a different brand of paint than her former owners used. I wish I knew what was inside those cabins in the modified shelter. Hoping for any photos. This area was totally enclosed soon after the 1958 renovation was done. That's all for the NISQUALLY and this week's offering. Next week, we'll look at the REDWOOD EMPIRE.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 18, 2014 6:37:42 GMT -8
We begin this week's offering with a small debate on whether that photo was actually taken aboard the NISQUALLY or KLICKITAT.We zoom into the above photo showing the detail of the observatory. We see a thin stained wood trim under the windows and the sill trim. This is a screen shot from the film Most Deadly Passage (on YouTube) showing the KLICKITAT's observatory and the thin stained wood trim under the windows. The window frames and the rest of the trims were covered over with white paint. I've been in that observatory many times on the Columbia Beach run as well as in the San Juans, her home for many years. She was an occasional substitute on the Columbia Beach run in the late 1970s and joined the ILLAHEE and NISQUALLY on the Edmonds detour in October of 1980 after the NISQUALLY rammed Mukilteo on a Wednesday morning. That lasted for a short time as Mukilteo was quickly repaired. This photo I took of the NISQUALLY in 1987 shows a thicker stained wood trim. One would think if this was a WSF modification as they would be more interested in painting white paint over stained wood. Fortunately, the stained wood was kept in the wooden observatories of the Steel Electrics until they got their steel cabins. This is another photo I took aboard the NISQUALLY in 1987 showing the thick stained wood trim. The ILLAHEE and QUINAULT had these as well. Therefore, I think the older photo above was taken aboard the KLICKITAT instead of the NISQUALLY. It would be interesting to see old work orders, if kept by WSF these days.
I would be very reluctant to argue with MOHAI and the Joe Williamson collection, especially with a timespan of 40 years between photos. That may be the chair-rail you see in the screen cap from Emergency!... or it could be the shadow of the chair-rail, which has been painted white. It could've also been replaced due to extensive wear between the 1947 photo and the 1977 screen cap. It's just as easy to argue that these photos are from three different boats on the basis that none of the color shots you have provided have the lathe work on the stanchions that is visible in the 1947 shot. The general alarm bell in the 1977 photo isn't present in the 1947 shot, either. Williamson was pretty meticulous about his photography records, and since he was there and I wasn't, I'm not in a position to argue with him. A lot can happen to a vessel in forty years. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you, and stick with the photographer's documentation that this is the Nisqually. That being said, thank you very much for sharing the late-in-life photos of the observation rooms! I missed out on those old wooden cabins by joining the game too late.
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Post by EGfleet on Jul 21, 2014 15:38:19 GMT -8
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Jul 21, 2014 19:55:50 GMT -8
I can no longer see Ferry Nuts' Steel Electric collection. I was so pleased to view original photos of the boats I grew up riding in the 60's. I hope the photos are reposted or this is just a problem with my computer.
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Post by Barnacle on Jul 22, 2014 4:19:43 GMT -8
I can no longer see Ferry Nuts' Steel Electric collection. I was so pleased to view original photos of the boats I grew up riding in the 60's. I hope the photos are reposted or this is just a problem with my computer. I can still see them. What browser are you using?
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Jul 22, 2014 4:42:32 GMT -8
I use Internet Explorer mostly. I also use Firefox at times. But today, the pictures are back up. Thanks for the reply!
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Post by FNS on Jul 30, 2014 14:37:53 GMT -8
My posting of historical photos of the Steel Electrics are on the shelf until further notice.
The current issues with the Evergreen Fleet will take center stage in this, the Washington State, section of this forum until the dust settles.
More photos soon!
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Post by rusty on Aug 8, 2014 9:50:54 GMT -8
Speaking of the Steel Electrics, Emory sent this to me last night. Remember how we all wanted proof that the Klickitat made it to Ensenada? There you have it. And as we thought it appears the Klickitat was the first one broken up. Still no proof that the Klick was scrapped. Some take that picture as further evidence that she went on to run somewhere else.
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Post by compdude787 on Aug 8, 2014 16:12:56 GMT -8
Speaking of the Steel Electrics, Emory sent this to me last night. Remember how we all wanted proof that the Klickitat made it to Ensenada? [snip] There you have it. And as we thought it appears the Klickitat was the first one broken up. Still no proof that the Klick was scrapped. Some take that picture as further evidence that she went on to run somewhere else. Do we have any photographic evidence of this ferry actually serving on another ferry route?
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Post by EGfleet on Aug 8, 2014 16:39:12 GMT -8
Still no proof that the Klick was scrapped. Some take that picture as further evidence that she went on to run somewhere else. Do we have any photographic evidence of this ferry actually serving on another ferry route? No. The mystery ferry I was sent a while back was a practical joke sent to the fellow who shared it with me. If the Klickitat were still around, you'd think it would have showed up in a photograph by now.
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Post by Mike C on Aug 8, 2014 16:40:02 GMT -8
Still no proof that the Klick was scrapped. Some take that picture as further evidence that she went on to run somewhere else. Do we have any photographic evidence of this ferry actually serving on another ferry route? Isn't what happened fairly self-evident from this photo? The Klickitat is moored against the ship-breaking area. There could be a photo of myself in the checkout line at Safeway waiting to purchase groceries - I could have just as easily abandoned my shopping, pulled down my pants and run out of the store, free of societal norms; however it is very much more likely that I concede and make the purchase like what is expected. From this photo, it is beyond reasonable to expect the Klickitat to be an ex-ferry.
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Post by compdude787 on Aug 8, 2014 16:55:56 GMT -8
Do we have any photographic evidence of this ferry actually serving on another ferry route? No. The mystery ferry I was sent a while back was a practical joke sent to the fellow who shared it with me. If the Klickitat were still around, you'd think it would have showed up in a photograph by now. Exactly. The Klickitat was clearly scrapped just like her sister ships.
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Post by Barnacle on Aug 8, 2014 17:14:09 GMT -8
No. The mystery ferry I was sent a while back was a practical joke sent to the fellow who shared it with me. If the Klickitat were still around, you'd think it would have showed up in a photograph by now. Exactly. The Klickitat was clearly scrapped just like her sister ships. Don't get me wrong, I'd appreciate a picture of the half-cut Klickitat to settle the deal, but... as much as we want vindication in our hearts, they're gone.
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Post by rusty on Aug 9, 2014 10:50:14 GMT -8
As long as there is no definitive proof whether the Klickitat was scrapped or not one is free to believe what they want. I must admit that I like the idea that she is running somewhere in Latin America. It doesn't matter one way or the other what one believes in this case, I just prefer the romantic ending better. Long live the Klickitat!
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Post by FNS on Aug 18, 2014 23:00:06 GMT -8
Getting back on track in the display of my large collection of historic photos of ferries, I present you this week vintage photos of the QUINAULT. These are from a couple of scrapbooks with photos I bought from a collector/seller. Some of the previous photos are from this collection. I'm very happy to share my latest collection with you ferry fans! This is the QUINAULT when she was new as REDWOOD EMPIRE. Her first assignment was between the Ferry Building and Marin County. After the SPGGF merger, she moved over to Hyde Street and ran to Marin County, or ran between the Ferry Building and Alameda County (wherever these ferries were needed by SPGGF). This photo shows how beautiful ferries can be, if designed right. On her way to Alameda County from the Ferry Building. That new bridge would soon send her north to Puget Sound. In drydock in 1940, most likely being prepared for the trip north. Notice that most of the San Francisco ferries had their names painted on their hull besides the sides. Here she was on Puget Sound in the early 1940s. That's most likely the first ELWHA (GOLDEN SHORE) to her west in this view in Seattle. That berth under the "PORT OF SEATTLE" sign was Pier 66, first pier north of the Piers 64-65 set where the Canadian Pacific liners docked. I really miss these old docks! The ILLAHEE and QUINAULT together in Seattle. The Black Ball paint scheme made these ferries look handsome. On her way out on another trip in her youthful days on Puget Sound. That beautiful building next to her outbound wheelhouse is the Seattle Tower, also known as the Northern Life Tower. That opened up in 1929. I was spellbound of its architecture when I was little and refer it as the "Empire State Building" of the west. Isn't this a beautiful ferry! An end view of this magnificent piece of maritime architecture. A nice side view of this true passenger and car ferryliner of her days here on Puget Sound. Yes, she was handsome on San Francisco Bay. She was more beautiful, along with her sisters, here on Puget Sound. The QUINAULT's galley. I count myself very lucky to have had an opportunity to dine in this setting on her visit to Columbia Beach in 1974, subbing for the RHODODENDRON. I sat with my family in the counter stools next to the side windows and had a good view of Whidbey Island as it neared. It was sad to see this changed to the 1970s decor with red and yellow tables replacing the counters and stools on her next visit a few years later. I have that 1974 trip still embedded in my visual memories. Coming soon are photos from the 1960s and maybe a small handful from the 1950s. ENJOY!
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